Equipment
Photos of Cobra prototype irons made for Bryson DeChambeau
News came on Tuesday that amateur standout Bryson DeChambeau entered the 2016 RBC Heritage as a professional, and signed deals with Cobra-Puma (apparel/equipment) and Bridgestone (golf ball).
Although Cobra-Puma reported DeChambeau will play the RBC Heritage with his familiar Edel prototype irons, we spotted single-length Cobra King CB and MB prototype irons made for him, while live at the event.
We do not know if and when these irons will go into play, or if these are the same irons he reportedly played at the 2016 Georgia Cup. But check out more photos of the prototype Cobra irons below.
See what GolfWRX members are saying about the irons here.
In our forums, our members have been discussing the most forgiving wedges on the market. WRXer ‘aaronpoling’ lays out his current setup and what he’s currently considering, saying:
“I am looking at getting new wedges, but looking for a forgiving wedge.
I currently play Ping G25 50°, MD4 54° and 58°. I used to play the CBX2 in the 50°, 54° and 58° and liked them a lot; but like any good dad, my son took them.
I am currently looking Callaway’s CB12 and Cleveland’s CBZ. Anyone have thoughts on these? Or recommendations of other wedges that I should check out?”
And our members have been weighing in with their thoughts and recommendations in response, with one brand coming out emphatically on top.
Here are a few posts from the thread, but make sure to check out the entire discussion and have your say at the link below.
- boggyman: “CBZs are amazing wedges!”
- drewbens: “Agreed, the Cleveland CB wedges are great! Already had a CBX Full Face 2 54 and recently added a 50 and 58 (for well under $100 a piece). Was chipping so well last week that my brother-in-law asked if the wedges were legal. Definitely underrated wedges for those of us that are not scratch golfers.”
- BogeyTed: “Get Cleveland CBX/CBZ. Very underrated clubs.”
Entire Thread: “Best ‘forgiving’ wedges – GolfWRXers discuss”
At GolfWRX, we are a community of like-minded individuals who all experience and express our enjoyment of the game in many ways.
It’s that sense of community that drives day-to-day interactions in the forums on topics that range from best driver to what marker you use to mark your ball. It even allows us to share another thing we all love – buying and selling equipment.
Currently, in our GolfWRX buy/sell/trade (BST) forum, @negncic has a Ping PLD Ally Blue Onset putter up for grabs.
From the listing: “34” Ping PLD Ally Blue Onset. Ping composite shaft Ping PLD Pistol grip. No issues. $345 shipped.”
To check out the full listing in our BST forum, head through the link. If you are curious about the rules to participate in the BST Forum, you can learn more here: GolfWRX BST Rules
In our forums, our members have been reacting to a WRXer who claims to have built the “worst fitting clubs ever.” ‘dlow206’ recounts his experience with plenty of insightful findings for where he can go better next time in a detailed post, saying:
“Here’s my story of building the worst fitting clubs ever (for me). And my findings of what a better fit is.
I am short in stature, as well as a very short wrist to floor of 30.5″. I went down a rabbit hole of wanting to try irons 1″ shorter of more than standard length. Given the shorter lengths, the swingweights would be super light unless I added back a ton of weight to the heads, but I don’t like adding an extreme amount of weight back to the heads, so I decided to compensate with heavier shafts (115 grams instead of 95). Played with this set for a while and was hitting all irons extremely poorly. Thin, fat, right, right, left. My swing didn’t deteriorate that much because I was hitting my driver well, woods well, etc.
Went back to my older set of irons, playing at standard length, and my iron play improved immediately. Since then, have been doing more testing, while paying more attention to different possible variables. What I have found is I actually prefer lighter total weight with relatively normal or slightly heavier swingweights. Did a recent fitting and found that 85 gram shafts were better for me than 95 grams with standard length and relatively standard swingweights.
Still trying to dial in a final iron shaft choice, so have a few contenders that I will be testing. Will be moving away from my current Steelfiber i95 S parallel to lighter and softer
- MMT 80 parallel R – worked pretty well in a limited number of swings at a fitting
- Fujikura Travil 85 R – the fitter liked the Axiom 95 R for me at Club Champion, but i didn’t love the effort required to swing them. If there was a 85 Axiom, that would probably have been a great fit. So i am going try a Travil 85 R which is japan only
- Steelfiber i80 CW R – i have been playing Steelfibers for a long time, so need to give one Steelfiber shaft a shot
Given I do club building work, I am going to build all of these shafts with the All-Fit universal iron adapters to pair with a Srixon 7 iron head for testing. With these adapters, there isn’t a swingweight issue because the amount of weight from drilling out is about equivalent to the universal adapter components.”
And our members have been sharing their reactions in our forum.
Here are a few posts from the thread, but make sure to check out the entire discussion and have your say at the link below.
- Mikey_HACKilroy: “That length cut costs you a fair amount in swing points. I’d posit the length mattered more than the weight because a 115g shaft isn’t going to actually add enough back after cutting an inch off. Does it mean 115 would ultimately work? Hard to say. Maybe try a 1/2″ cut and add 2g to the head to compensate assuming the 7i is 37″ long. Maybe that will feel better. It translates to the same ~D2 you’re swinging at with the 95g shafts (estimated based on common weight, but you can weigh your parts on your own obviously).”
- Stuart_G: “Your process is good – keep at it and trust it.”
Entire Thread: “I built the worst fitting clubs ever – GolfWRXers discuss”
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Tour Pro
Jun 9, 2016 at 6:26 am
No OEM will ever release a single length set. At best it will be a “custom option” if its ever offered.
Matt Vernot
Apr 18, 2016 at 10:37 am
These are really interesting. In comparing these side by side with his Edel set, there is no external weight on these. Cobra’s R&D department must have done an exceptional job to get the weight into the head (probably the toe side) and making them look “normal”
Bruce Gerhold
Apr 16, 2016 at 11:35 am
Reply to “lost in the convo”. I fabricated and play a set of “2 length” irons: 2 length because of difficulty with large weight adjustments required when using off the shelf iron heads. My 3,4,5,6 irons are 37 inches long and my 7,8,9,PW are 36 inches long. Love the simplicity – one swing and 2 different ball positions covers all irons; play much better.
1. single length irons, and 2 length irons require lie adjustment assigning a lie to each club length. Note minimal lie adjustment (small changes) when using 2 lengths.
2. The notion of loosing length with lon g irons is a myth propagated by those taking our $ for old style irons. I hit my 3 iron 195 and my PW 105 which is very similar to old style irons.
The science (new term for golf clubs) is : at club-ball impact, MOMENTUM is conserved. Momentum – ( head mass) x (head velocity). Now, my 3 iron is 2 inches shorter than standard (about 5%) which costs 5% head velocity. BUT the club head is 21 g heavier which is 8.6% higher than old style heads. Thus, the momentum transfer to the ball – think ball velocity – actually increases with same length or 2 length irons. YOU DO NOT SACRIFICE DISTANCE OR SUFFER FROM SMALL DISTANCE INCREMENTS BETWEEN IRONS.
As a bonus, the shorter clubs help you make solid strikes for added consistency and length.
jeff
Apr 17, 2016 at 10:22 pm
momentum is MV^2
Hawk
Apr 19, 2016 at 8:54 am
All the research I’ve ever done on this has always showed one thing in regards to length of club in irons. Since most irons use a .5″ increment that translates into less than 2 yard distance in length between clubs. So really if all the clubs were the same exact loft and one the length was different you would increase or decrease distance by 2 yards for every .5″ difference in length. Loft however; has a much higher difference in distance, which is why same length clubs with proper loft gaps works!
As always though all the clubs have to be the same exact weight, head weight, shaft, grip, swing weight, and so forth for the same length shaft to actually work properly. This is also the reason why you can’t make a set unless you buy custom heads and shafts.
Chuck D
Apr 15, 2016 at 3:14 am
I recently saw Ping Scottsdale’s selling for $299 in Torrance California at a shop called Golf Exchange.
:-p
Apr 15, 2016 at 3:08 am
I would like to touch those irons, just once :-ppppp
Eye4golf
Apr 13, 2016 at 11:28 pm
Does anyone know where I can find selling prices for a old Scottsdale PO box ping putter , I own one and want to see what it’s worth? Kushin model.
Matty
Apr 13, 2016 at 12:16 pm
I have a question about single-length irons. Does the offset have to be constant throughout, or should there be small changes in offset?
Scott
Apr 13, 2016 at 3:16 pm
Tom Wishon’s site has some good information on that. Tom has a set designed to be single length.
nathan
Apr 13, 2016 at 5:04 pm
All the clubs should have the same offset. Not sure why Tom’s set varies the offset from club to club.
Teaj
Apr 13, 2016 at 6:40 pm
+1 as I believe offset is to help with the squaring of the club of a longer moment.
WillThaPill
Apr 14, 2016 at 5:55 pm
+1
setter02
May 3, 2016 at 8:25 pm
Don’t tell Butch he can’t teach because he can’t play as well as his students…
Lost in the convo
Apr 13, 2016 at 10:38 am
is the fact that the lie angle in his dingle length set is due his particular swing. For anyone else that is thinking of trying single length irons the lie angle doesn’t have to be so upright. I would think the biggest issue for anyone wanting to attempt single length irons would be the club head weights all the same and handling the yardage gaps. I think a lot of guys are sticking w/ tradition here and not even willing to try a set of single length clubs. Would be interested in trying if a company stepped up and did like the new Ben Hogan Golf irons and allowed a 30 day trial of a few clubs. Just my 2 cents.
Joshuaplaysgolf
Apr 13, 2016 at 12:11 pm
‘Dingle length’ lol. I’m not sure if your asking actual questions, since your post of void of actual punctuation…but if you are actually asking, yes, weighting and distance falling is the challenge here. My buddy is going through the process of getting single length irons dialed in right now. The lie angle is unique to Dechambeau’s stance/swing. It’s VERY upright and he takes most of the angle out of his wrists at address, so his arms and the shaft are almost parallel. If your going the single length route, you’ll just have to have the lie angle measured for your swing, most likely not 13* upright.
SirBigSpur
Apr 13, 2016 at 12:31 pm
“your post of void of actual punctuation.”
Dude. You’re that guy aren’t you?
Joshuaplaysgolf
Apr 13, 2016 at 5:25 pm
Lol. Not intentionally, it just makes it really difficult to discern if it’s a rhetorical question or for real asking. But sure, I’ll be ‘that guy’ in this instance.
Smoking gun
Apr 13, 2016 at 10:09 am
Like the song say’s, ” money money money mon’ey, money”!!!
M
Apr 13, 2016 at 8:50 am
Yikes, not sure I could look down at a neck that is that rounded, Cobra may have to work on that a little, maybe get Miura to forge them with spin welded hosels and stamp cobra on them
Chuck D
Apr 13, 2016 at 6:31 am
Wait a minute, they’ve been forcing this Einstein golfer dude and his crude scientific looking equipment down our throats for the past year and he jumps ship, to now hit traditional “looking” I know, I know already, they’re still one length, settle down, golf gear?! Sheesh, what’s next, he’s
gonna switch to a baseball cap, or stop the presses, a visor? Or maybe white pants? Well Edel, he couldn’t win the Mahztaz with your gear, so now the musical clubs begin. You….uhhh….GO DECHAMBEAU, or however he spells his name.
MLECUNI
Apr 13, 2016 at 3:23 am
I still don’t know why edel made him a new set recently. Sad for them to put hard work and have to let him go.
jordy
Apr 12, 2016 at 11:22 pm
Those are some upright looking lie angles!
cody
Apr 12, 2016 at 6:58 pm
interesting that it is blade low lofts and cavity high lofts. kinda backwards isnt it?
Greg Moore
Apr 12, 2016 at 7:40 pm
There is a full set of muscle back irons and a full set of cavity back irons. Not sure if he will put either one in play this week
Richard
Apr 13, 2016 at 12:05 am
Money talks, he will play a Cobra Iron before long even if it is not one of these two….and you can bet Cobra is biting at the bit to get it set so they can make a version for the public…I would think if your playing a one length set of irons you will have to be fit for lie angle for sure…
cody
Apr 13, 2016 at 11:21 am
thanks, it seemed so strange to me.
Teaj
Apr 13, 2016 at 6:47 pm
could be two sets. it could also be that the CB with the added weight to the lower lofted irons spins to much due to the added weight to the head to bring the swing weight up because of the shorter shaft length.