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Spotted: Callaway Epic Irons

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Since the launch of Callaway’s GBB Epic drivers and fairway woods in January, GolfWRX Members have been talking about new Epic irons that were rumored to be in the works at Callaway…. and it seems they were on to something.

Yesterday in our forums, photos of what appear to be Callaway Epic Pro irons were posted in this thread by GolfWRX Member jlp. The photo also includes what look to be Callaway Epic hybrids (hidden underneath Callaway Epic hybrid head covers). GolfWRX Member CTRoss10 also posted what he says is an address photo of a Callaway Epic 5 iron.

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We reached out to Callaway representatives, who said they’re not commenting on the Epic irons or Epic hybrids at this time.

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  1. Mark Reynolds

    Jun 12, 2017 at 7:07 pm

    Hit these today and they felt great despite the fact that they are not forged. The ball flew and I was impressed by the distance until I checked the lofts: they were jacked. The smaller head and thinner topline is appealing but not enough to justify the $ 250 per club price tag.
    I’ll be keeping my AP 2’s.

  2. Bob Pegram

    May 4, 2017 at 1:55 am

    These look like they are intended to compete with M2 and/or M1 irons, not players’ clubs.

  3. Dan

    May 3, 2017 at 1:20 pm

    No complaints here about product after product. Still playing my Cleveland 588 MT irons and haven’t found anything worth the performance or high cost to knock them out of the bag.

  4. joro

    May 3, 2017 at 8:39 am

    Hurry up and get your order in, that has got to be the answer, or as Ping says, the Anser. With a 40 degree 1 inch longer Wedge it will go like an 8 iron, wait a min. isn’t that a normal 8 Iron?

  5. Mr Muira

    May 3, 2017 at 7:36 am

    Fugly.

  6. Forsbrand

    May 3, 2017 at 2:38 am

    Hearing lofts have been increased by 4 degrees per iron, so that you lose yards with say six iron by 15 yards, otherwise you’d only need a ba full of irons. #seriouslylong

  7. TexasSnowman

    May 2, 2017 at 9:12 pm

    enuf with lime green for heavens sake.

    • rebfan73

      May 3, 2017 at 7:38 am

      Agreed. When Nike got out of the club game, I was like “YES! No more Volt!” Then TaylorMade and Callaway took up Nike’s slack…….and it’s ALL downhill from there.

  8. karansivi

    May 2, 2017 at 12:34 pm

    Remind me of Nickent irons lol

  9. chinchbugs

    May 2, 2017 at 9:49 am

    Can you say Fusion irons with new decal/badges….

  10. H

    May 2, 2017 at 3:08 am

    Geez Callaway, that was subtle

  11. thrag

    May 2, 2017 at 12:30 am

    I wish Calloway would go all the way and reintroduce the old Hogan Apex Edge Pro. Specs similar to Apex Pro, however, Edge is more is a middle (10-15) handicapper than a better players club like the Apex Pro. Longer toe to heel, thicker top line and slightly larger sole make it easier to hit.

  12. Me

    May 1, 2017 at 6:04 pm

    Where are the Nancies bitchin about too short of product life cycles. This company now is king of new product every 6 months. The steelhead was more or less just a rebadging of a similar iron 15-20 years ago ( x-14 x16 etc). Jailbreak is laughable as a technology even the designers admit it was necessary to support the crown and body of the club with basically stringers. These pillars hold the club together.
    if it was anything but that why isn’t in their fairways and hybrids, see what I mean hype. They’re now showing up on the used rack.
    Epic irons where is the jailbreak?

    • D. Vader

      May 2, 2017 at 8:49 am

      It’s not taylormade, so they don’t care.

    • lco21

      May 2, 2017 at 9:08 am

      Hey! Stop with spewing the truth! We can’t handle that here and Callaway is everyone’s favorite OEM right now!

    • H

      May 2, 2017 at 11:35 am

      Not to mention the fact that it’s beyond the COR limit

  13. alexdub

    May 1, 2017 at 3:39 pm

    These seem to be the obvious replacement to the XR/Pro irons that used the “facecup” technology. These Epics clearly have the facecup and the thicker top line which would support that. I think the Apex is a fantastic and successful line for Callaway, and there is no way they are getting rid of it. Pictures of new Apex MB irons (that Rory is using) have been all over the boards here and I’m sure we’ll also see those rolled out sometime this Summer/Fall.

  14. golfraven

    May 1, 2017 at 1:45 pm

    So essentially those are the new APEX. Looks like that with Ben Hogan going out of business (again) the name (APEX) is also fading into the background. Just my suspicion.

    • Terry

      May 1, 2017 at 2:50 pm

      There are not replacing the Apex. And there is no relation to the rebooted Ben Hogan company.

      • hb

        May 1, 2017 at 3:12 pm

        They sold the Ben Hogan brand but kept the Apex name. Indeed I don’t see EPIC irons being a replacement of Apex series.

  15. Minnesota golfer

    May 1, 2017 at 1:43 pm

    In 2014, callaway XR driver was new and great, XR wood and hybrids were new and great, XR irons were new but were mediocre game improvement irons. Is history repeating now in 2017?

    • setter02

      May 3, 2017 at 11:23 pm

      History has been repeating it self in the golf industry for many years.

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WRX Spotted: New TaylorMade P790 UDI

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It’s Open Championship week and that means course conditions are the talk of the town. Firm, fast, and windy conditions are expected on the links of Portrush, so we will be seeing a lot of players using driving irons that they might not otherwise play with week to week on the PGA Tour.

Not only are driving irons a hot item for players, but for OEMs launching new and prototype versions including TaylorMade, which has a new P790 UDI in some bags including Mr. Tiger Woods (credit to Rob Brooks on Instagram for the spot).

Like with many clubs just being seeded to tour, we don’t have official comment from the team at TaylorMade…but, like many times before, we have a couple of ideas based off the cosmetics of what might be in store if and when this thing comes to retail.

Some history: It’s been a while since TaylorMade introduced a new UDI (Ultimate Driving Iron) to its lineup.  There was the GAPR Low, which was very UDI “like” but the UDI as a whole never had an adjustable hosel. (There were Tour Issue versions of the GAPR Lo that had a fixed hosel and no adjustability)

The original (2017) P790 UDI

The “just-spotted 2020 (?)” version

The most recent UDI was the original P-790, but this new version has some distinct differences

  • Thinner sole. Based off the pictures, this new P-790 UDI has a thinner sole with more camber to help improve turf interaction. More camber and well-utilized bounce make any club more playable in varying conditions.
  • Shorter blade length. There is no such thing as computer screen calipers but from what we can tell when comparing side by side the new version is shorter. A shorter blade length means a CG closer to the hosel and more workability.
  • Higher toe. Just like the shorter blade length, a higher toe is often more appealing to more players (better players are generally the target for these types of clubs) and what that also “potentially” does is raise the CG. A higher CG will produce lower launching shots BUT with more spin (workability). To counter act the potential extra spin loft adjustments can be made pretty easily, since loft is one of the biggest factors in creating spin.

The one thing that is harder to compared is whats going on inside of this UDI (obviously). There is a screw in the toe, so it can be assumed that there is some sort of foam or material that helps support the face and improve the acoustics of this face thin-faced iron.

Just like we wait for the first group off early Thursday morning at Portrush, we’re just going to have to wait to see what’s really going on this new UDI too.

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Forum Thread of the Day: “Tiger Woods with a new Scotty Cameron at The Open”

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Today’s Forum Thread of the Day comes from No Gimmes who was quick to spot Tiger Woods preparing for this week’s Open Championship with a new Scotty putter. Woods has also been seen warming up for this week’s event at Royal Portrush with his old faithful on the greens, but our members have been discussing the thinking behind the 15-time-major champion’s potential change, as well as the putter itself.

*Photos from Golf Central’s ‘Live From The Open’ coverage

Here are a few posts from the thread, but make sure to check out the entire discussion and have your say at the link below.

  • TheMoneyShot: “I’m really surprised he is making the switch. Let’s see if it’s in the bag come Thursday.”
  • Hedgehog: “That topline and the alignment aid and all the smooth lines, gorgeous!”
  • MuniPukeLife: “Makes sense as his trusty NP2 is super light by today’s putter standards.”

Entire Thread: “Tiger Woods with a new Scotty Cameron at The Open”

 

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Mizuno T20 wedges: Let’s get spinning

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Spin.

We’re always trying to reduce it with our driver and increase it with our wedges for maximum control, but with the rules of golf being so strict, how do actually achieve a performance gain? Simple engineering…

This is the Mizuno T20 wedge.

It’s been a few years since we have seen a T (teardrop) wedge from our friends at Mizuno, and there is good reason.

Let’ get into a quick history lesson: before the JPX900 series was introduced, Mizuno had quietly been realigning the product cycles of the MP and JPX lines. You might remember back a few years ago now before the MP18s hit the scene that there was a bit of a lull in the MP line—so much, in fact, there was even a thread here on GolfWRX asking “Is Mizuno not making MP irons anymore?”

It was a naturally curious question to a company that always had very standardized release cycles, but it was a long-term play that has paid off tremendously. We now get “T” wedges with MP irons (MP20s to be exact), and we should (from everything I know) continue to see “S” Silhouette (more rounded profile) wedges with future JPX lines.

Before we get to what’s new, how about we first talk about what will be staying the same

  • Grain Flow Forged HD – like all new Mizuno irons, the T20s are made using the same forging process to increase the density of the material in the clubhead for an improved solid feel.
  • Boron – this little element when added to the 1025e mild carbon steel used in the wedges (we’re talking trace amounts equating to 3ppm – parts per million) increases the strength of the material by 30 percent—how crazy is that for chemistry? This improves groove life and has ZERO effect on club feel.
  • Variable Width & Depth Quad Cut Grooves – Like previous T and S wedges, the T20s will have quad cut grooves that will vary in shape based on the loft of the club. Lower lofted wedges are more narrow and deeper, while higher lofted wedges are wider and more shallow since impact happens at lower speeds this increases spin consistency.
  • Same beautiful Teardrop profile from address

So what’s new?

Flow. Just like the MP20s, engineers are bringing more a more extreme CG (center of gravity) shifting philosophy, or as Mizuno explains it, increased vertical moment of inertia to the wedges. As much as you (well maybe not “you,” depending on who you are) might think “a wedge is just a wedge” and loft is the only deciding factor for spin, you couldn’t be further from the truth. By relocating the CG throughout the set and changing the sweet spot height, engineers can further alter the launch and spin precisely for each loft.

It’s about gear effect—the higher you hit above the CG the less spin the ball with have, and the closer to or lower you make impact compared to the CG the more spin you will create. Either way these are wedges, so a 50 degree, for example, is still going to spin, but it is now more controllable (think less likely to ballon or get too high on full shots). On the other side of the equation, a 60-degree wedge will allow for even MORE trajectory and spin control for the low flying quick checkers with zip.

Now about that spin.

By the Rules of Golf, you can’t make grooves sharper, you can’t increase their volume, and you can only have so much surface roughness (sorry but that old Spin Doctor wedge is HIGHLY NON-conforming). So what do you do? You change the way you think about that surface roughness…

Hydroflow Micro Grooves

Instead of traditional laser etching parallel to the grooves, Mizuno engineers took a concept from the high-performance tire world and went perpendicular to the grooves and parallel to the direction the ball moves up the face to channel moisture away. This directional tread has proven to increase spin on shots especially in conditions with moisture up to 1,200 RPM (on a 60-yard shot), that’s a very tangible number. It’s not just about spin either: the more the friction that can be created also means more control on launch angle and less of a “floating” ball flight. That’s how those low zippers keep zippin’!

Don’t think for a second that Mizuno just changed the etching and was done with it. The process went through multiple iterations to figure out how they could improve its life (beyond the boron) and the solution was to etch before the chroming process to elongate the lifespan. The other groovy take for the T20s is the actual reconfiguration of the grooves. To get the bottom groove closer to the leading edge without having it disorient the overall look of the club and making it appear that the heel or toe is thinner on one side. The lowest groove has been shortened and centered.

All of these refinements; CG, micro-grooves, and reconfigured scoring lines add up to one thing: more control and improved shotmaking with your wedges.

Finishes, specs, and grinds

The wishes of many have been answered when it comes to the T20s, there will be a RAW finish (happy dance time) along with traditional chrome and the signature blue ion. Leftys will only be able to get chrome, but all the same options will be available as far as lofts and grinds.

Coming in lofts from 46-60 degrees, the grind options progress depending on the loft and bounce. Going from full-soled in the lower lofts to more aggressive back edge, and heel-toe relief in the 60 degree. These sole shapes came directly from Mizuno’s craftsman that worked with players and prototypes to determine exactly how the bounce and sole shapes should work in harmony.

All of this has come together to create Mizuno’s finest wedge to date.

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