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Do Bryson DeChambeau’s upright iron lie angles give him an advantage from the rough? – GolfWRXers discuss

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In our forums, our members have been debating whether Bryson’s iron lie angles give him an advantage over his peers from shots out of the rough. WRXer ‘Valtiel’ kicks off the thread saying:

“Is it possible the Bryson’s extremely upright iron lie angles (~10*+ more upright than standard) give him a bit of an advantage out of the rough? It would seem like the more upright a club is, the less shaft/heel/hosel would actually be grabbed on to/twisted by deeper rough. 

To look at it from the opposite extreme, an iron that was bent significantly flat would, if I’m correct, come into contact with a lot more of the rough around the hosel area. Thoughts?”

And our members have been having their say on the subject in our forums.

Here are a few posts from the thread, but make sure to check out the entire discussion and have your say at the link below.

  • jll62: “Buddy of mine is on the MacKenzie Tour and also has irons that are nearly as upright as Bryson’s. He said better performance out of the rough is definitely a thing with that upright of a lie angle. Basically, if you have a high VSP, you start to minimize rough interaction as much as you can.”
  • NoCalHack: “I don’t think that the lie itself would make a big difference at all. 10 degrees probably means a couple of blades of grass. But one reason why his clubs are so upright is the one length thing. The fact that his longer irons are shorter means he swings them steeper. This no doubt helps him.”
  • Hairpie: “I think the added length that produces more speed is a bigger factor. I also think Winged Foot is more accessible to a bomb and gouge mentality since nearly every green is open in front.”
  • ronbo: “Biggest advantage is the GW is the length of his 6 iron and the amount of club head speed compared to a Std. GW or even a PW out of the rough is unbelievable. Try it sometime. One Length here to stay….”
  • labgolf: “100%. I was saying it all week. Not to mention the extra weight and length on the wedges. HUGE advantage. He’s a sharp cookie!”

Entire Thread: “Bryson’s irons and the rough”

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Gianni is the Managing Editor at GolfWRX. He can be contacted at [email protected].

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  1. Rich

    Sep 24, 2020 at 10:41 pm

    “But one reason why his clubs are so upright is the one length thing.”

    No, it isn’t. His clubs are so upright because his swing is (a) single-plane and (b) upright. This would be true with traditional irons–progressive lie angles, but each far more steep than “standard.” Nothing about that has anything to do with single-length irons.

    I play single-length irons. I have a more-traditional 2-plane swing. All my irons are 2 degrees upright, but that was also the same in my traditional sets because I have slightly shorter arms for someone my height.

    Conflating one-plane swings with single-length irons is a common mistake.

  2. Stokley Carmichael

    Sep 24, 2020 at 12:42 pm

    No, but his broom handle length putter does!

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Rickie Fowler’s new putter: Standard-length Odyssey Jailbird 380 in custom orange

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Editor’s note: This is an excerpt from a piece our Andrew Tursky originally wrote for PGATour.com’s Equipment Report. Head over there for the full article. 

…The Jailbird craze hasn’t really slowed down in 2024, either. According to Odyssey rep Joe Toulon, there are about 18-20 Jailbird putter users on the PGA TOUR.

Most recently, Akshay Bhatia won the 2024 Valero Texas Open using a broomstick-style Odyssey Jailbird 380 putter and Webb Simpson is switching into a replica of that putter at the 2024 Wells Fargo Championship.

Now, Fowler, who essentially started the whole Jailbird craze, is making a significant change to his putter setup.

Fowler, who has had a couple weeks off since the 2024 RBC Heritage, started experimenting with a new, custom-orange Jailbird 380 head that’s equipped with a standard 35-inch putter build, rather than his previous 38-inch counter-balanced setup.

According to Fowler, while he still likes the look and forgiveness of his Jailbird putter head, he’s looking to re-incorporate more feel into his hands during the putting stroke.

He told GolfWRX.com on Tuesday at the Wells Fargo Championship that the 38-inch counterbalanced setup “served its purpose” by helping him to neutralize his hands during the stroke, but now it’s time to try the standard-length putter with a standard-size SuperStroke Pistol Tour grip to help with his feel and speed control.

Although Fowler was also spotted testing standard-length mallets from L.A.B. Golf and Axis1 on Tuesday, he confirmed that the custom Odyssey Jailbird 380 is the putter he’ll use this week at the 2024 Wells Fargo Championship.

Head over to PGATour.com for the full article. 

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Akshay Bhatia WITB 2024 (May)

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Driver: Callaway Rogue ST Max LS (9 degrees @7.2, 2 grams lead tape heel, 4 grams toe)
Shaft: Fujikura Ventus Black 7 X (44 7/8 inches, tipped 1 inch)

Driver: Callaway Paradym Ai Smoke Max D (9 degrees @7)
Shaft: Fujikura Ventus Black 7 X

3-wood: Callaway Paradym Ai Smoke Max (15 degrees @13.9)
Shaft: Fujikura Ventus Black 8 X (43 inches, tipped 1.5)

Hybrid: Callaway Apex UW Prototype (19 degrees @17.8)
Shaft: Fujikura Ventus Black 10 X

Irons: Callaway X Forged UT (21 degrees) Buy here, Callaway Apex TCB Raw (5-PW)
Shafts: KBS $-Taper 125 S+

Wedges: Callaway Jaws Raw (50-10S @49, 54-10S, 60-08C @61)
Shafts: KBS Hi-Rev 2.0 135 X

Putter: Odyssey Versa Jailbird 380
Grip: SuperStroke Zenergy Split

Grips: Iomic

Ball: Callaway Chrome Tour

More photos of Akshay Bhatia’s WITB in the forums.

 

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Emiliano Grillo WITB 2024 (May)

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Driver: Callaway Paradym Ai Smoke Triple Diamond (9 degrees @10)
Shaft: Project X Denali Blue 60 TX

3-wood: Callaway Paradym Ai Smoke Triple Diamond (15 degrees)
Shaft: Project X HZRDUS Smoke Blue RDX 70 TX

5-wood: Cobra LTDx Prototype (18.5 degrees)
Shaft: Project X HZRDUS Smoke Blue RDX 70 TX

Irons: Callaway Apex TCB (4-9)
Shafts: Project X 6.5

Wedges: Callaway MD3 Milled (46-08S), Callaway Jaws Raw (50-10S, 54-10S, 60-08T)
Shafts: True Temper Dynamic Gold Tour Issue S400

Putter: Odyssey White Hot OG #5
Grip: SuperStroke Zenergy Flatso 1.0

Grips: Golf Pride MCC

Check out more in-hand photos of Emiliano Grillo’s clubs here.

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