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David Toms, Louisiana’s hometown hero, discusses his sticks

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Just to kick this off, I am a huge fan of David Toms. Have been since his Zevo days. This was a pleasure to write.

David Toms is the chosen son of Louisiana golf. Nobody in recent memory garners the amount of excitement or favor as DT. And it’s well earned. The guy is as well-liked and respected for his play and demeanor as anyone out there period. One of the most interesting aspects of his career was his ability to build efficiency and playability in his bag regardless of ego.

We had a chance to chat with David and Cleveland/Srixon tour rep Jeff Burleigh about his clubs, and this is what they had to say.

JW: What was in your bag at the beginning of your career and what was your knowledge level (of your equipment) at that time? 

DT: I used Yamaha irons and woods when I first turned pro, switching to Mizuno when I got my Hogan Tour card.

I didn’t pay much attention to equipment at that time. I just knew what I hit well and what I didn’t. I liked to keep it simple.

JW: Talk to me about your time with Zevo (1997, 1998) and what your overall opinion was of that experience and the equipment. Were you in the clubs top to bottom?

DT: Zevo was my first experience with custom-fit clubs, and I thought they did a really nice job with their equipment especially loved the fairway woods. They worked. I won my first event with them at Quad City.

JW: Your relationship with Cleveland started in 1999 and continued for the bulk of your career, how did that come about and what attracted you to them?

DT: I sat next to their president Greg Hopkins on a flight to the 1997 PGA at Winged Foot and talked about the possibility of me representing them in the near future. Obviously, it was a good partnership. I was with them for 15-plus years and have great memories.

JW: You have preferred a forged cavity back for the bulk of your career. Why do your preferences go in that direction over a muscle back?

DT: I need all the help I can get! And I always felt like I didn’t give up any control with a compact cavity back iron. Played them consistently my whole career.

JW: What set of irons during your career was your favorite? What wedges were your favorite?

DT: The original [Cleveland] 588 irons and wedges, without question.

JW: You have also been a player that hasn’t been afraid to combo a set, meaning as early as 2001 you would put a beefed-up 3-iron in the bag. Why was that? 

DT: Again I just felt that I needed the forgiveness in the long irons. Having a more forgiving long iron in the bag gave me the ability to hold a few more greens from 200-plus yards out.

JW: You have one club that is a bit more famous than the others, which is the Cleveland Quad Pro 5-wood with the Bi-Matrix shaft. Since you have leaned towards hybrids to fill that gap, what do the hybrids offer you that the 5-wood doesn’t?

DT: I felt that the hybrids provided a little more versatility in windy conditions and were better for the longer par 3s.

JW: You have always been in a three wedge setup (48/54/60). Have you ever tried adding a fourth wedge for gapping?

DT: I will put an extra wedge in the bag at some of the Champions Tour tournaments depending on the course. Usually, 48/54/60 is the setup.

JW: Talk to me about your time with TaylorMade. What went well? What didn’t work?

DT: I really enjoyed my time at TaylorMade. What a great golf equipment company! I thought the woods were second-to-none at that time but struggled a bit with the wedges. I think the wedges these days are really well designed just not during that time period, I had a 14 club deal, so that made it difficult for me inside 100 yards. Again, I would not hesitate to use their wedges nowadays.

JW: If you could build your favorite bag of all time, what would it look like?

DT:

TaylorMade M2 driver  

Cleveland Quad Pro fairway wood

Cleveland Launcher hybrid

Cleveland 588 irons and wedges (the original Roger Cleveland design)

Scotty Cameron Coronado putter

JW: What is currently in your bag?

DT:

Driver: Callaway Mavrik 10.5. Project X Evenflow Blue 65 6.0 (255 Carry)

FW: Callaway Epic 15. Project X Evenflow 75 6.0 (235 Carry)

FW: Callaway 5 wood 18. Project X Evenflow 85 6.0 (225 Carry)

Hybrid: Cleveland Launcher 20.5. Project X-HC1 6.5 (215 Carry)

Irons: Srixon Z585 (4) Z785 (5-PW). Nippon Pro Modus3 Tour 105 S

Carry Numbers

4/200

5/190

6/180

7/167

8/155

9/140

PW/128

Wedges: Callaway MD4 54 (105 carry), 60 (85 Carry). Dynamic Gold Tour Issue S400

Putter: Scotty Cameron

Ball: Titleist Pro V1

We also had the chance to speak with Jeff Burleigh from the Cleveland/Srixon tour department. This was his input on DT.

JW: Overall, what was the recurring theme in your time with DT? Was it fighting a miss? Finding height? Spin etc. Every player seems to look for one specific thing.

JB: David Toms really didn’t have many swing issues. Very smooth and incredibly efficient. David was an absolute dream to work with because his swing was always the same. The main issue was dispersion and feel. He loved being able to feel the clubhead and response of an active shaft. With better feel came a touch more dispersion, so we balanced the two. Focusing on the perfect build and keeping everything consistent which flowed into his game. His entrance into the trailer was always “OK. Where are you hiding all the new stuff?…as he slowly opened the drawers trying to find the latest and greatest.

JW: His preference in irons always leaned towards cavity backs (588P, 588P CG2 stamped, CG2 Tour, CG7 etc) what was the process like getting him into a new iron and why was the preference towards CB.

JB: Yes, he always leaned towards our cavity backs but not necessarily for forgiveness, it was purely for the offset. He loved the look of offset irons. Most of our iron creations back then were tailored from that original 588P. The process was very easy with David, as long as the visual aspect was there and the head appealed to his eye, he was always on board. My job was to create a new set exactly like the gamer. As long as they matched and the visual offset appeal, he was all in. He loved to work with us to improve the product, which made our equipment better. If the equipment was better, then he would play it every time.

JW: He was in a Project X Rifle 6.0 for a good portion of his career. Did he ever mess with other shafts in the irons and why?

JB: Yes. We would try just about everything available at the time. Far less than today because there were fewer shaft companies, especially if it was new. The best shaft that he felt helped him in competition. The only way to know back then was to build it and hit it. He would usually play Wednesday’s pro-am with the experimental set then give me feedback after the round. He always gave everything we built a chance.

There were a few shafts he gravitated to. Shortly after joining us, he tried the new Dynamic Gold Lite in S400. David loved the feel and the flight was very controlled. He played and won a few tournaments with them. That shaft had a .610 butt. Which was a little bigger than the other steel options. When gripping, he always wanted a smaller grip so I had to do a little stretchy stretch on the grip to get the size just right. 60 round Tour Velvets were always easy to work with.

When the 6.0 Project X came out, he was very interested. He felt the shaft did one thing better than the DG Lite: dispersion was tighter. The composition of that shaft was consistent. Frequency matching was the big deal then, and I believe the slightly heavier weight made his good shots just a little better. Also, the spin rate was down just a touch to flatten the flight. Leep in mind we had monster grooves back then. We did do one thing different on the install: I stepped them out one just because the hosel was lower in the CB iron. We didn’t want them playing stiffer than 6.0, so we favored the softer install.

JW: DT has always preferred a higher launch profile in his driver. Did he have trouble getting the ball in the air or was that for a bit more spin/control?

JB: Distance was the focus, always. His ball flight was ideal for the time. High launch and like everyone said, sneaky long. He was one of the few at the time not discouraged by loft (10 degrees and above). Always leading overall driving. He was top 5 on tour in efficiency. If my memory serves me correctly, actually top three if not leading. Shaft of choice was the Black Grafalloy Prolite in our Cleveland Comp head. Control and spin seemed to be always constant with him.

JW: Did he have consistent specs over the years?

JB: Yes. Driver was a 45-inch Grafalloy ProLite Black. 60 gram D3 with Tour Velvet 60 round. Pretty square face. 59-degree lie and 10.5-degree loft.

His Quad Pro 3 and 5-wood. With the BiMatrix steel-graphite combo. I remember the 3-wood was 42.5 and D5. 5-wood was 42. D5. Tour Velvet grip.

Irons were standard length. Degree strong, which then was 47 on PW and 1/2-degree upright. Irons were around D2-D2.5. His light grips helped us achieve a standard swing weight. We used lead tape to fine-tune the weights if needed. Everything we built was weight sorted (grips, shafts, heads), so the specs would always be consistent. Wedges were always standard length. One degree up and D5.

JW: Did you ever do anything special to his wedges? Grinding?

JB: The only thing I did that was different was spinning the shafts with a three bearing fishing spine jig called the spin finder. Used in fly fishing, we used it on golf shafts. Worked extremely well on graphite as most had two spines front and back. It was never mandatory during install but I always felt it can’t hurt our players so I generally did it unless I was buried in build trying to survive. Consistency is key whether it’s you or in the bag.

Grinding was only for weight. To achieve D5, I took across the entire back so as not to change the center of gravity. Our wedges are the best out of the wrapper, simply the way they are designed. David never was interested in massive grinding because he trusted my assessment that it changes the center of gravity negatively. He also liked bounce which we had plenty of. Once in a while, he would want a little bounce removed or added depending on where we were in the country.

Cosmetically, I would gently touch the leading edge to blend the set as well as soften the edge just a little. A little hand buff with some WD40 to even the finish and he was pleased. David loved a new set of wedges, but then again who doesn’t.

I always enjoyed David Toms—fun in the trailer, and you always had a feeling of accomplishment working with him. He’s always been a great friend, and I’ll always reflect back with a smile on my face. Sure miss those days.

*Fun little nugget from a tour rep perspective: When David had that 60-degree into 18 to beat Phil at the 2001 PGA Championship, I had just built that club that week and was freaking out watching coverage from my Hampton Inn. Going over the build in my head panicking when he hit the shot. Shaft, length, lie, loft…OK. Phew. 12 feet for the win.

 

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  1. joro

    Apr 27, 2020 at 10:15 am

    One of the best sets of Irons I ever had was the VAS, these things were the perfect design for an Iron. People laughed when they saw them in my bag, but weren’t so happy when they paid off at the end of the round. As a 2 hip at the time they game me a better game than any other Iron. What was funny was the Ping I3 iron that had a pretty much the same look except for the hosel, which always put the hands in the lead. I loved those ugly shovels, easy to hit, long and high and straight, stuck like a nail when landing. .

  2. Jbone

    Apr 25, 2020 at 8:43 am

    Great article

  3. Rich

    Apr 24, 2020 at 2:51 pm

    “David Toms, Louisiana’s hometown hero”

    Louisiana isn’t a town. It’s a state.

    “Homegrown” would be a more apt adjective.

    • Rascal

      Apr 24, 2020 at 5:38 pm

      Oh my god, give it a rest.

    • Mark

      Apr 25, 2020 at 9:09 am

      Thank you. The educated always appreciate it when such a correction is made.

      • Rascal

        Apr 27, 2020 at 3:20 pm

        The educated already made the correction when they read it, and use their time to go do something useful.

  4. Doug

    Apr 24, 2020 at 12:22 pm

    My chance to be a true WRXer!

    Ackshually… the 4 iron pictured in his bag is a Srixon 585 not a 785. Thus making it a combo set as you described him liking in the interview.

  5. JB

    Apr 24, 2020 at 10:38 am

    This was a fun read. Would love to see more articles like this!

    • Benny

      Apr 26, 2020 at 6:49 pm

      I agree. Awesome to read and think about. Both David’s perspective as well as Cleveland builder/pro fitter.

      Really great article fellas. Thank you!

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Vincenzi’s LIV Golf Singapore betting preview: Course specialist ready to thrive once again

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After another strong showing in Australia, LIV Golf will head to Sentosa Golf Club in Singapore looking to build off of what was undoubtedly their best event to date.

Sentosa Golf Club sits on the southern tip of Singapore and is one of the most beautiful courses in the world. The course is more than just incredible scenically; it was also rated 55th in Golf Digest’s top-100 courses in 2022-2023 and has been consistently regarded as one of the best courses in Asia. Prior to being part of the LIV rotation, the course hosted the Singapore Open every year since 2005.

Sentosa Golf Club is a par 71 measuring 7,406 yards. The course will require precise ball striking and some length off the tee. It’s possible to go low due to the pristine conditions, but there are also plenty of hazards and difficult spots on the course that can bring double bogey into play in a hurry. The Bermudagrass greens are perfectly manicured, and the course has spent millions on the sub-air system to keep the greens rolling fast. I spoke to Asian Tour player, Travis Smyth, who described the greens as “the best [he’s] ever played.”

Davis Love III, who competed in a Singapore Open in 2019, also gushed over the condition of the golf course.

“I love the greens. They are fabulous,” the 21-time PGA Tour winner said.

Love III also spoke about other aspects of the golf course.

“The greens are great; the fairways are perfect. It is a wonderful course, and it’s tricky off the tee.”

“It’s a long golf course, and you get some long iron shots. It takes somebody hitting it great to hit every green even though they are big.”

As Love III said, the course can be difficult off the tee due to the length of the course and the trouble looming around every corner. It will take a terrific ball striking week to win at Sentosa Golf Club.

In his pre-tournament press conference last season, Phil Mickelson echoed many of the same sentiments.

“To play Sentosa effectively, you’re going to have a lot of shots from 160 to 210, a lot of full 6-, 7-, 8-iron shots, and you need to hit those really well and you need to drive the ball well.”

Golfers who excel from tee to green and can dial in their longer irons will have a massive advantage this week.

Stat Leaders at LIV Golf Adelaide:

Fairways Hit

1.) Louis Oosthuizen

2.) Anirban Lahiri

3.) Jon Rahm

4.) Brendan Steele

5.) Cameron Tringale

Greens in Regulation

1.) Brooks Koepka

2.) Brendan Steele

3.) Dean Burmester

4.) Cameron Tringale

5.) Anirban Lahiri

Birdies Made

1.) Brendan Steele

2.) Dean Burmester

3.) Thomas Pieters

4.) Patrick Reed

5.) Carlos Ortiz

LIV Golf Individual Standings:

1.) Joaquin Niemann

2.) Jon Rahm

3.) Dean Burmester

4.) Louis Oosthuizen

5.) Abraham Ancer

LIV Golf Team Standings:

1.) Crushers

2.) Legion XIII

3.) Torque

4.) Stinger GC

5.) Ripper GC

LIV Golf Singapore Picks

Sergio Garcia +3000 (DraftKings)

Sergio Garcia is no stranger to Sentosa Golf Club. The Spaniard won the Singapore Open in 2018 by five strokes and lost in a playoff at LIV Singapore last year to scorching hot Talor Gooch. Looking at the course setup, it’s no surprise that a player like Sergio has played incredible golf here. He’s long off the tee and is one of the better long iron players in the world when he’s in form. Garcia is also statistically a much better putter on Bermudagrass than he is on other putting surfaces. He’s putt extremely well on Sentosa’s incredibly pure green complexes.

This season, Garcia has two runner-up finishes, both of them being playoff losses. Both El Camaleon and Doral are courses he’s had success at in his career. The Spaniard is a player who plays well at his tracks, and Sentosa is one of them. I believe Sergio will get himself in the mix this week. Hopefully the third time is a charm in Singapore.

Paul Casey +3300 (FanDuel)

Paul Casey is in the midst of one of his best seasons in the five years or so. The results recently have been up and down, but he’s shown that when he’s on a golf course that suits his game, he’s amongst the contenders.

This season, Casey has finishes of T5 (LIV Las Vegas), T2 (LIV Hong Kong), and a 6th at the Singapore Classic on the DP World Tour. At his best, the Englishman is one of the best long iron players in the world, which makes him a strong fit for Sentosa. Despite being in poor form last season, he was able to fire a Sunday 63, which shows he can low here at the course.

It’s been three years since Casey has won a tournament (Omega Dubai Desert Classic in 2021), but he’s been one of the top players on LIV this season and I think he can get it done at some point this season.

Mito Pereira +5000 (Bet365)

Since Mito Pereira’s unfortunate demise at the 2022 PGA Championship, he’s been extremely inconsistent. However, over the past few months, the Chilean has played well on the International Series as well as his most recent LIV start. Mito finished 8th at LIV Adelaide, which was his best LIV finish this season.

Last year, Pereira finished 5th at LIV Singapore, shooting fantastic rounds of 67-66-66. It makes sense why Mito would like Sentosa, as preeminent ball strikers tend to rise to the challenge of the golf course. He’s a great long iron player who is long and straight off the tee.

Mito has some experience playing in Asia and is one of the most talented players on LIV who’s yet to get in the winner’s circle. I have questions about whether or not he can come through once in contention, but if he gets there, I’m happy to roll the dice.

Andy Ogletree +15000 (DraftKings)

Andy Ogletree is a player I expected to have a strong 2024 but struggled early in his first full season on LIV. After failing to crack the top-25 in any LIV event this year, the former U.S. Amateur champion finally figured things out, finished in a tie for 3rd at LIV Adelaide.

Ogletree should be incredible comfortable playing in Singapore. He won the International Series Qatar last year and finished T3 at the International Series Singapore. The 26-year-old was arguably the best player on the Asian Tour in 2023 and has been fantastic in the continent over the past 18 months.

If Ogletree has indeed found form, he looks to be an amazing value at triple-digit odds.

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Ryan: Lessons from the worst golf instructor in America

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In Tampa, there is a golf course that boasts carts that do not work, a water range, and a group of players none of which have any chance to break 80. The course is overseen by a staff of crusty men who have succeeded at nothing in life but ending up at the worst-run course in America. However, this place is no failure. With several other local courses going out of business — and boasting outstanding greens — the place is booked full.

While I came for the great greens, I stayed to watch our resident instructor; a poor-tempered, method teacher who caters to the hopeless. At first, it was simply hilarious. However, after months of listening and watching, something clicked. I realized I had a front-row seat to the worst golf instructor in America.

Here are some of my key takeaways.

Method Teacher

It is widely accepted that there are three types of golf instructors: system teachers, non-system teachers, and method teachers. Method teachers prescribe the same antidote for each student based on a preamble which teachers can learn in a couple day certification.

Method teaching allows anyone to be certified. This process caters to the lowest caliber instructor, creating the illusion of competency. This empowers these underqualified instructors with the moniker of “certified” to prey on the innocent and uninformed.

The Cult of Stack and Jilt

The Stack and Tilt website proudly boasts, “A golfer swings his hands inward in the backswing as opposed to straight back to 1) create power, similar to a field goal kicker moving his leg in an arc and 2) to promote a swing that is in-to-out, which produces a draw (and eliminates a slice).”

Now, let me tell you something, there is this law of the universe which says “energy can either be created or destroyed,” so either these guys are defying physics or they have no idea what they are taking about. Further, the idea that the first move of the backswing determines impact is conjecture with a splash of utter fantasy.

These are the pontifications of a method — a set of prescriptions applied to everyone with the hope of some success through the placebo effect. It is one thing for a naive student to believe, for a golf instructor to drink and then dispel this Kool-Aid is malpractice.

Fooled by Randomness

In flipping a coin, or even a March Madness bet, there is a 50-50 chance of success. In golf, especially for new players, results are asymmetric. Simply put: Anything can happen. The problem is that when bad instructors work with high handicappers, each and every shot gets its own diagnosis and prescription. Soon the student is overwhelmed.

Now here’s the sinister thing: The overwhelming information is by design. In this case, the coach is not trying to make you better, they are trying to make you reliant on them for information. A quasi Stockholm syndrome of codependency.

Practice

One of the most important scientists of the 20th century was Ivan Pavlov. As you might recall, he found that animals, including humans, could be conditioned into biological responses. In golf, the idea of practice has made millions of hackers salivate that they are one lesson or practice session from “the secret.”

Sunk Cost

The idea for the worst golf instructor is to create control and dependency so that clients ignore the sunk cost of not getting better. Instead, they are held hostage by the idea that they are one lesson or tip away from unlocking their potential.

Cliches

Cliches have the effect of terminating thoughts. However, they are the weapon of choice for this instructor. Add some hyperbole and students actually get no information. As a result, these players couldn’t play golf. When they did, they had no real scheme. With no idea what they are doing, they would descend into a spiral of no idea what to do, bad results, lower confidence, and running back to the lesson tee from more cliches.

The fact is that poor instruction is about conditioning players to become reliant members of your cult. To take away autonomy. To use practice as a form of control. To sell more golf lessons not by making people better but through the guise that without the teacher, the student can never reach their full potential. All under the umbrella of being “certified” (in a 2-day course!) and a melee of cliches.

This of course is not just happening at my muni but is a systemic problem around the country and around the world, the consequences of which are giving people a great reason to stop playing golf. But hey, at least it’s selling a lot of golf balls…

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Vincenzi’s 2024 Zurich Classic of New Orleans betting preview

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The PGA TOUR heads to New Orleans to play the 2023 Zurich Classic of New Orleans. In a welcome change from the usual stroke play, the Zurich Classic is a team event. On Thursday and Saturday, the teams play best ball, and on Friday and Sunday the teams play alternate shot.

TPC Louisiana is a par 72 that measures 7,425 yards. The course features some short par 4s and plenty of water and bunkers, which makes for a lot of exciting risk/reward scenarios for competitors. Pete Dye designed the course in 2004 specifically for the Zurich Classic, although the event didn’t make its debut until 2007 because of Hurricane Katrina.

Coming off of the Masters and a signature event in consecutive weeks, the field this week is a step down, and understandably so. Many of the world’s top players will be using this time to rest after a busy stretch.

However, there are some interesting teams this season with some stars making surprise appearances in the team event. Some notable teams include Patrick Cantlay and Xander Schauffele, Rory McIlroy and Shane Lowry, Collin Morikawa and Kurt Kitayama, Will Zalatoris and Sahith Theegala as well as a few Canadian teams, Nick Taylor and Adam Hadwin and Taylor Pendrith and Corey Conners.

Past Winners at TPC Louisiana

  • 2023: Riley/Hardy (-30)
  • 2022: Cantlay/Schauffele (-29)
  • 2021: Leishman/Smith (-20)
  • 2019: Palmer/Rahm (-26)
  • 2018: Horschel/Piercy (-22)
  • 2017: Blixt/Smith (-27)

2024 Zurich Classic of New Orleans Picks

Tom Hoge/Maverick McNealy +2500 (DraftKings)

Tom Hoge is coming off of a solid T18 finish at the RBC Heritage and finished T13 at last year’s Zurich Classic alongside Harris English.

This season, Hoge is having one of his best years on Tour in terms of Strokes Gained: Approach. In his last 24 rounds, the only player to top him on the category is Scottie Scheffler. Hoge has been solid on Pete Dye designs, ranking 28th in the field over his past 36 rounds.

McNealy is also having a solid season. He’s finished T6 at the Waste Management Phoenix Open and T9 at the PLAYERS Championship. He recently started working with world renowned swing coach, Butch Harmon, and its seemingly paid dividends in 2024.

Keith Mitchell/Joel Dahmen +4000 (DraftKings)

Keith Mitchell is having a fantastic season, finishing in the top-20 of five of his past seven starts on Tour. Most recently, Mitchell finished T14 at the Valero Texas Open and gained a whopping 6.0 strokes off the tee. He finished 6th at last year’s Zurich Classic.

Joel Dahmen is having a resurgent year and has been dialed in with his irons. He also has a T11 finish at the PLAYERS Championship at TPC Sawgrass which is another Pete Dye track. With Mitchell’s length and Dahmen’s ability to put it close with his short irons, the Mitchell/Dahmen combination will be dangerous this week.

Taylor Moore/Matt NeSmith +6500 (DraftKings)

Taylor Moore has quickly developed into one of the more consistent players on Tour. He’s finished in the top-20 in three of his past four starts, including a very impressive showing at The Masters, finishing T20. He’s also finished T4 at this event in consecutive seasons alongside Matt NeSmith.

NeSmith isn’t having a great 2024, but has seemed to elevate his game in this format. He finished T26 at Pete Dye’s TPC Sawgrass, which gives the 30-year-old something to build off of. NeSmith is also a great putter on Bermudagrass, which could help elevate Moore’s ball striking prowess.

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