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Live View Golf makes real-time swing analysis possible anywhere

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The golf instructional space is historically overcrowded, and the golf app market is rapidly becoming more congested. So for something from either arena to get our attention, it has to both bring something new to the table and present verifiable game-improvement capabilities.

Live View Golf is a portable camera and app suite that offers users the ability to view their swings in real time on their cell phones or tablets with the aid of plane lines and other markers.

Presently, arriving at a live video feed of your golf swing (with plane lines, etc.) is an expensive and complicated process, and one that’s difficult to set up on the driving range. Live video, viewable when a golfer is in posture or in position, can be a critical factor in ingraining new swing moves and checking positions in a slow-motion swing rehearsal.

Also, other solutions, like having a friend shoot cell phone video of your swing, obviously only allows you to to see a recording of the swing you just made.

We spoke with Shane Yang, founder of the company, about Live View’s development and the importance of live video feedback in training.

Shane told us the initial concept for Live View Golf came to him after taking his children for lessons with renowned instructor, Patrick Parrish. He was looking for a way to improve retention, simplify and accelerate the learning process and began thinking his children would benefit from a “look” associated with the “feel” they were striving after. In other words, live video (with the ability to draw lines, circles, etc) on the driving range (or wherever you want to practice).

Parrish, a 30-year teaching veteran in the California area, bought into the concept, and Yang—who conveniently has a background in cameras and optics—and company launched a Kickstarter in December of 2015 to produce an initial iteration of the device.

Dave Phillips from the Titleist Performance Institute, himself a vocal proponent for the use of live video in practice, recently joined LiveView as an advisory board member. Yang told us the response from the professional community has been overwhelming, with new advisory member announcements to come ahead of further improvements to the existing technology.

The Live View Golf app is free to download. The camera (the specs for which you can see here) retails for $179.99.

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  1. Steven

    Oct 13, 2016 at 2:17 pm

    Another interesting development in Golf. Definitely worth a look.

  2. Pingback: GolfWRX: Live View Golf makes real-time swing analysis possible anywhere | Live View Golf

  3. Sean

    Oct 10, 2016 at 2:26 pm

    I’d like to see a similar app that uses your iPhone’s camera; so I can carry one less device. I’ve tried a couple of apps (Rshutter & Camera Plus for iOS), but would like one tailored for golf practice. I also prefer not to use a camera on an alignment stick; if it’s breezy the camera sways in the wind.

    • Live View Golf

      Oct 10, 2016 at 5:29 pm

      The nature of down line and even front facing video makes it difficult to use your phone to take video and see it at the same time. Imagine setting up your phone down the line and trying to check your posture on that phone at the same time. You would have to look back to a very small screen placed 6-8 feet away to accomplish that. A great app that does something kind of like this is Swing Profile that records your swing and plays it back in slow motion automatically. the down side is you have to keep running back to the phone to see what happened and you loose the real time tactile feedback of seeing and correcting your swing on the spot.

      And if you do not like the alignment stick, you can use the LivePod tripod adapter for a more stable mount of the camera in windy conditions. No matter what tools or apps you use, #practiceperfectly.

  4. Live View Golf

    Oct 8, 2016 at 6:21 pm

    There is a long thread in the WRX forums discussing the differences vs. mirrors. http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/1378936-mirrors-are-so-2015/ In a nutshell, the Live View Golf system is designed to be compact and easily portable for use at the range or anywhere else. Add in the ability to insert very precise alignment tools for live practice, the ability to monitor your swing more easily in front facing and downline view, and also recording to analyze slow motion using the record and playback functionality, and Live View Golf integrates most of the modern swing analysis and practice tools into a simple and compact package.

    The Live View Golf Design goal was set at 20FPS to minimize the lag between action and video feedback for optimum learning during live practice. The shorter the visual feedback loop is to the initial action, the easier it is to correct and build strong muscle memory. Please also see our other discussion thread on the WRX forums
    http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/topic/1362612-live-view-golf-real-time-wireless-swing-camera/

    • Philip

      Oct 9, 2016 at 11:06 am

      If you choose 20FPS then why didn’t you choose a higher resolution that works better with the display choices? Easy enough to do.

      • Live View Golf

        Oct 9, 2016 at 2:02 pm

        FPS and resolution work together to increase or decrease the data stream. 640×480 resolution is equal to approx 300,000 pixels of data. At 20 FPS you have to transmit 300,000*20 =6,000,000 pixels per second.

        Increasing resolution to 1080p at 1920×1080 = approx 2,000,000 pixels per frame. To increase the resolution to 1080P you would have to drop to 3FPS without increasing the data pipe. To transmit 2,000,000 pixels at 60 FPS would require 120,000,000 pixels per second. 1080p at 60FPS requires 20 x more data.

  5. John

    Oct 8, 2016 at 5:10 pm

    I bought one a couple of months ago (posted about it in the Instruction forum) and it has quickly become my favorite training tool. I use mirrors and I use high-speed cameras and I like this better than either of those options. If I need to record a high-speed swing, I still use my camera. But that’s not what this is for – this is for watching yourself swing to learn what the right mechanics feel like.

  6. Scott Nichol

    Oct 8, 2016 at 1:24 pm

    How about a mirror?

    • someone

      Oct 11, 2016 at 5:41 pm

      how compact of a mirror are we talking about that’s mobile enough to take to the range?

  7. Bert

    Oct 8, 2016 at 9:46 am

    Interesting and well priced. One question, how many frames per second?

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Golf’s Perfect Imperfections: How To Overcome The Mid-Season Golf Blues

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Every Year around this time, golfers start getting tentative because they have missed a few too many golf shots and they immediately start to blame the faulty wires on the Pinocchio.

Of course, we are here to tell you that is not the case.

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2022 FedEx St. Jude Championship: Outright Betting Picks

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With the PGA TOUR regular season in the books, it’s time to begin the 2022 FedEx Cup playoffs.

Previously known as the St. Jude Classic and the WGC-FedEx St. Jude Invitational, the event will now serve as the first leg of the FedEx Cup Playoffs and is named the FedEx St. Jude Championship.

While the name of the event and the spot on the PGA TOUR schedule has changed, the course remains the same. TPC Southwind is located in Memphis, Tennessee and has been a regular TOUR stop since 1989.

TPC Southwind is a Par 70 measuring 7,244 yards. The course features Bermudagrass greens and rough. With 94 bunkers and 10 water hazards, there is potential trouble on almost every hole.

The FedEx St. Jude Championship will play host to the top 125 players in the FedEx Cup standings with the top 65 and ties making it through to the weekend.

FedEx St. Jude Championship Outright Bets

Matt Fitzpatrick (+2200)

Typically, the FedEx Cup playoff events are won by players who have been among the best overall players for that season. Matt Fitzpatrick is having the best season of his career and is undoubtedly one of the most impressive golfers of the year. For the 2022 season, the Englishman ranks third in Strokes Gained: Total, which trails only Rory McIlroy and Scottie Scheffler.

Had it not been for Fitzpatrick’s incredible U.S. Open victory, TPC Southwind would have been a spot that I’ve always thought could be the perfect break through spot for the 27-year-old. Now that he’s won and gotten his first victory in the United States out of the way, it only increases his chances of being able to win a FedEx Cup Playoff event.

Talent was never the concern for Fitzpatrick. The former top ranked amateur in the world exploded onto the professional golf scene at nineteen years old and never looked back. Despite having eight European Tour victories by the time he’d hit his mid-twenties, many people questioned why he couldn’t win on American soil. Now that he’s a U.S. Open champion, there’s reason to believe the floodgates will open.

Fitzpatrick has had plenty of success at TPC Southwind in the past. In three starts at the course, “Fitz” has two top-six finishes including a fourth-place finish in 2019.

His success at the track isn’t all that surprising considering how well his skill set aligns with what’s required to compete at the course. It’s important to hit fairways, which is something he does at a high clip. He also is one of the best in the sport at limiting mistakes and ranks third in the field in Bogey Avoidance.

A FedEx Cup Playoff victory would add to what is already the best season of Fitzpatrick’s career and give him a chance to make a run at a being the FedEx Cup champion.

Will Zalatoris (+2500)

For the past few weeks, we’ve seen Will Zalatoris near the top of the odds board. Despite being one of the most talented players in the field, there was nothing about Detroit Golf Club or Sedgefield Country Club that made me interested in betting him at those spots. The opposite is true about TPC Southwind.

When targeting Will Zalatoris for an outright bet, it’s most prudent to look for spots on the schedule where his immaculate ball striking can set him apart from the rest of them field.  The Rocket Mortgage Classic rewarded driving distance and wedge play. The Wyndham Championship rewarded the best putters and most accurate drivers.

This week, the FedEx St. Jude Championship will favor the best iron players who can ball strike their way to the top of the leaderboard. In the past, Strokes Gained: Putting hasn’t been a strong indicator of who will play well at TPC Southwind; which is great news for Zalatoris, who often struggles with the putter.

As evidenced by his three top-six finishes including two runners-up at major championships in 2022, Zalatoris can absolutely compete in the strongest of fields. In fact, I believe his chances to win in a star-studded event are higher than they are to win a lesser event on TOUR. The 25-year-old is a big game hunter who does his best work when the stakes are high.

The first leg of the FedEx Cup playoffs is an excellent time for “Willy Z” to finally break through for his inevitable maiden PGA TOUR victory.

Sungjae Im (+3500)

As frustrating as it was being a Sungjae Im backer on Sunday at the Wyndham Championship, his overall performance and current hot streak can’t be overlooked.

The South Korean has now finished in a share for second place in back-to-back starts. In those two events, Im has gained an average of 8.5 strokes Ball Striking on the field, which includes both Strokes Gained: Off the Tee and Strokes Gained: Approach. At a course where ball striking is the most important factor, he should be in store for another strong showing.

Im had his best Strokes Gained: Approach day on Sunday at the Wyndham, gaining 2.0 strokes on the field in the fourth round alone. Unfortunately, he couldn’t get the putter going and lost 2.2 strokes putting while Tom Kim gained 4.5 on the day. If it weren’t for Kim’s unconscious effort with the putter, there’s a good chance that Sungjae would have notched another PGA TOUR victory.

If the 24-year-old can get the flat stick going this week, we may have back-to-back South Korean winners on the PGA TOUR.

Tyrrell Hatton (+6000)

It appears as if Tyrrell Hatton is trending toward a victory, as he’s playing arguably the best golf of his 2022 season. He finished 11th at the Open Championship and followed it up with an impressive performance at Wyndham, finishing eighth. In addition to his top-10 finish, the Englishman was impressive with his approach playing and gained 5.3 strokes on approach, which was good for sixth in the field.

Hatton got hot in his final round last week, shooting a 64. Oftentimes we see golfers who go low on the previous Sunday carry the momentum into the following tournament. Hatton is a much better player than he’s shown thus far in 2022, and it seems as if he’s found something ahead of the FedEx Cup Playoffs.

If he has, TPC Southwind should be a good course for him as he finished in 17th last year and was in contention prior to a fourth round 72 that took him out of the running.

Russell Henley (+6000)

It’s fair to wonder whether Russell Henley can close out a victory on the PGA TOUR after witnessing him blow leads at last season’s Wyndham Championship and this season’s Sony Open. Considering that the FedEx Cup St. Jude Championship will be comprised of a much stronger field than either of those events makes it perfectly reasonable to question it even further. However, at his number, I’m willing to give it one more shot.

Henley is in the best form we’ve seen him in this season. In his past two starts, the 33-year-old has finishes of 10th and fifth and has gained 11 and 9.7 strokes from tee to green in those events. At the Rocket Mortgage Classic, Henley ranked seventh in the field in approach, and at the Wydham Championship, he ranked first.

TPC Southwind is a course that should fit Henley’s game to a tee. With a premium on iron play and hitting greens in regulation, the former Georgia Bulldog is a perfect fit. Perhaps more importantly, it’s a course where he doesn’t have to gain a bunch of strokes with the putter to win.

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Davis Love III was still using a persimmon driver in 1997?!

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The revolution of metal drivers was happening quickly in the early-to-mid 1990’s, but Davis Love III was set on sticking with his Cleveland Classic Oil Hardened RC85 persimmon driver. He wasn’t oblivious to the emerging technology, though. He knew exactly what he was doing, and why.

“The Cleveland has been in my bag since 1985,” Love III wrote in his 1997 book, “Every Shot I Take.” “It was given to me by a good friend, Bob Spence. I experiment with metal drivers often; I find – for me, and not necessarily for you – they go marginally longer than my wooden driver, but they don’t give me any shape. I find it more difficult to create shape to my drives off the metal face, which is important to me. …I also love the sound my ball makes as it comes off the persimmon insert of my driver.

“I’m no technophobe,” he added. “My fairway ‘woods’ have metal heads … but when it comes to my old wooden driver, I guess the only thing I can really say is that I enjoy golf more with it, and I think I play better with it…golf is somehow more pleasing to me when played with a driver made of wood.”

Although his book came out in 1997, Love III switched out his persimmon driver for a Titleist 975D titanium driver in the same year.

It was the end of an era.

During Love III’s 12-year-run with the persimmon driver, though, he piled on four wins in the year of 1992, including the Kmart Greater Greensboro Open — now known as the Wyndham Championship.

Love III, who’s captaining the 2022 Presidents Cup United States team next month at Quail Hollow in Charlotte, N.C., is playing in the 2022 Wyndham Championship in nearby Greensboro. In celebration, we took a look back in the archives to see what clubs Love III used for his win in 1992 for an article on PGATOUR.com. We discovered he was using a Cleveland Classic persimmon driver, in addition to a nostalgic equipment setup.

In our latest Two Guys Talking Golf podcast episode, equipment aficionado and co-host Brian Knudson, and myself (GolfWRX tour reporter Andrew Tursky), discuss Love III’s late switch to a metal-made driver, and why he may have stuck with a wooden persimmon driver for so long.

Check out the full podcast below in the SoundCloud embed, or listen on Apple Music here. For more information on Love III’s 1992 setup versus his 2022 WITB, click here.

 

 

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