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How to fix your slice with path and face angle

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“How do I fix a slice?”

That question gets asked of me more than any other, and it’s what most of my lessons revolve around. Actually, for some golfers, curing a slice is even more important than scoring lower.

Not every slicer is created equal, which makes my job on the lesson tee exciting. Below, I show the flaws of a typical slicer, and offer a plan of how to fix it depending on numerous variables.

Note: All explanation is based on a right-handed golf swing. 

The Typical Slicer

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There are two things I have to do in order to successfully fix a slice:

  1. Shift the path farther right than it is currently so the player can hit a push draw or a pull draw, depending on their skill-level.
  2. Shift the face farther left of the path than it is currently so the ball will move left after it leaves the club face.

You can see that the golfer pictured above has a path (the blue line) that moves well left of the intended target (-11.9 degrees) and a face angle (the red arrow) that points right of the target (1.4 degrees).

As most GolfWRX readers know, the ball mostly begins in the direction of the face angle at impact and curves away from the path with a centered hit. So in the example above, the face is right of the path by 13.4 degrees. That will cause the ball to curve to the right with a 16.7 degree spin axis. Couple this with the face angle at impact pointing right of the target by 1.4 degrees, and you get a ball that starts right and goes farther right — the familiar banana-slice.

Here’s my challenge as a teacher. Fixing a slice depends on this player’s skill-level, practice time, coordination, goals, etc. The best option for long-term ball striking success would be for the player to shift the path more to the right, but what if the player cannot physically manage this change? Or what if they don’t have the practice time necessary to do so?

In this case, I would work with the golfer to shift the path as much as possible, but focus on shifting the face angle more leftward so the golfer can hit pull draws. “At least the ball didn’t go right,” they will say. Over time, we can start working on a more in-to-out path, but I have to work slowly so a golfer can still maintain a certain level of playability.

OK, now that we’ve identified that the path is too leftward, how do we go about fixing it?

The FIX

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  • This player’s shoulders are positioned too far left at address, causing the club to track leftward on the downswing.
  • We must square this player’s body to the feet, hips and shoulders, and also align her a touch to the right so the path shifts more rightward.

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  • With the alignments more square to one another and the body aimed a touch right, you can see that the path is still left (-3.9 degrees), but it’s much better than the -11.9-degree leftward path we saw earlier.
  • If this is the best the golfer can do from here, I might work on moving the face a touch more leftward. That will create pull draws, which aren’t the best option, but at least the ball is going left and the golfer didn’t have to rebuild their swing in the process.
  • If the golfer has the ability to shift the path rightward, then we move on to altering the sequence of the pivot so the club transitions more under rather than over. If not, we help shift the face left of the path, hit pulls, and learn to play with them.

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Let’s say that through altering alignments of this player and restructuring the pivot on the way down that we now have the right shoulder moving “back and down” into its delivery position, thus the path is now 5.9 degrees from in-to-out as shown above. The last issue is to shift the face just left of the path.

Currently, the path is indeed from in-to-out, but the club face at impact is still right of the path by 1.6 degrees, causing this ball to hang right.

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We know that the starting direction of the ball is controlled by the face angle at impact, and a push draw is hit with a path that is to the right and a face that is left of the path, but right of the target. With the average player, at first all you want to do is make sure they shift the face angle leftward at impact, EVEN if it’s too much. We can always adjust that later with driver’s settings, a grip change, changes in vertical swing plane, ball position, etc. The bottom line is that we must have the face left of the path at impact for the ball to move left. In the photo above, we just adjusted the driver’s settings to promote more of a draw and the face retuned to a position consistently left of the path.

As stated earlier, I’m not too upset that this player hit a pull. The face was left of the target at impact (-2.3 degrees), and because she is a high-handicap player she only wanted to see the ball move left in the air.

Teachers have many directions they can go during a lesson, but I try my best to choose the one that best fits the goals and practice time a player has based on my experience on the lesson tee. With some players, I choose a simpler lesson plan, but with others I might choose a more long-term plan for total eradication of the flaw. It all depends, but fixing the puzzle of a slicer is how I spend most days on the lesson tee.

Remember: To fix a slice, shift the path to the right and the face to the left!

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Tom F. Stickney II, is a specialist in Biomechanics for Golf, Physiology, and 3d Motion Analysis. He has a degree in Exercise and Fitness and has been a Director of Instruction for almost 30 years at resorts and clubs such as- The Four Seasons Punta Mita, BIGHORN Golf Club, The Club at Cordillera, The Promontory Club, and the Sandestin Golf and Beach Resort. His past and present instructional awards include the following: Golf Magazine Top 100 Teacher, Golf Digest Top 50 International Instructor, Golf Tips Top 25 Instructor, Best in State (Florida, Colorado, and California,) Top 20 Teachers Under 40, Best Young Teachers and many more. Tom is a Trackman University Master/Partner, a distinction held by less than 25 people in the world. Tom is TPI Certified- Level 1, Golf Level 2, Level 2- Power, and Level 2- Fitness and believes that you cannot reach your maximum potential as a player with out some focus on your physiology. You can reach him at [email protected] and he welcomes any questions you may have.

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  1. Tom Stickney

    Jun 3, 2015 at 12:08 am

    Thx for the positive comments; I try hard to make you all happy! ????

    • MattSihv

      Jun 4, 2015 at 12:32 am

      Tom, thanks for this easy-to-understand article! My “fade” gets worse when I rush my tempo. I have trouble getting closed and it costs me at least 5-6 shots per round (especially with my longer clubs). Any drills you could recommend?

  2. Philip

    Jun 2, 2015 at 8:39 pm

    I went from a banana slice, then slice, then slice/fade, then duck hook, then straight pull, then high hook, to high draw and now high fade. Even starting to try knock-down shots. A lot of tiny adjustments in my grip pressure, set-up, stance, swing triggers, mentally not trying to kill the ball and making a relaxed backswing (huge improvement with this one), playing one shot at a time, realizing it is not a do-or-die situation, and a final grip setup tweak to get to having more smiles than even after making a swing. I finally feel like I can play golf instead of walking in a field whacking a ball randomly all over the place.

    Funny thing is that I must of tried each little tweak 3-6 times over the last three years – trying them and then moving on because the improvement was only for a round or two. Eventually, all of the tweaks must of kept moving me towards a better swing because now each new (old) tweak feels like another gear clicking into place.

    Thanks for your articles – they have helped me many times get over hurdles and try things from a different perspective.

  3. Dennis Clark

    Jun 2, 2015 at 6:58 pm

    Spot on Tom. When a student tells me they “tend to fade it”, they are asking for help with their slice!

  4. Andy

    Jun 1, 2015 at 10:40 pm

    Hey Sam before you bash someone with great material, remember he is posting this information at no cost to us. If you want a personalized lesson from Mr. Stickney pay him for it, his current rate is $200 an hour.

  5. Sam

    Jun 1, 2015 at 6:59 pm

    I’m rating this article a shank because of a simple line 6 sentences in. I’m a left handed player and nothing irks me more than having to slug through an article because I’m trying to mentally flip everything.

    • patrick

      Jun 1, 2015 at 7:36 pm

      I’m a lefty and I’ll rank your comment a shank because Tom was astute enough to qualify the article noting that the article was based on a right handed golfer. Get over yourself sir, most golfers are right handed and I’m good with that.
      And if you didn’t already know all golf courses are designed for right handed golfers too. Don’t you think its more of an advantage for lefties? Your welcome.

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Mis-aligned hands

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Too much lower (right) hand on the club

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