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The 4 most important Scotty Cameron putters of all time

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I know, I know, that is a heavy title, which is subject to debate and opinion. However, I’m going to do my best to convince you these four putters make up the grand slam of Scottys and are indeed the most important Cameron putters ever built.

I will agree that the argument can be made that any item on this list could be ranked No. 1 for various reasons. Would we have heard about No. 1 without No. 4 or No. 3? Why is No. 1 ahead of No. 2? Be sure to let me know what you think in the comments.

Let’s get to the list.

No. 4: Ray Cook Blue Goose (Designed by Scotty Cameron)

 

OK, I’m starting off by bending my own rules here. While not a singular putter, this is one of the most important works of Scotty’s career. Ray Cook was an extremely popular manufacturer for a good stretch from the 1960s through 1980s. Scotty Cameron came along in the late 1980s and helped to create one of their most well-known designs, the Blue Goose.

Per “The Art of Putters” written by Bill Vogeney and David Levine, “The Blue Goose was the first mass-produced, 100% milled gun-blued putter.” While this putter was a success, there are probably many Cameron aficionados in 2020 who are unfamiliar with Scotty’s Pre-Titleist roots. We all start somewhere, and Cameron’s early days were spent honing his craft with Ray Cook before moving on to create designs with his own name on them in the early 1990s. While not his best-selling design, the Blue Goose must be on this list for helping create the behemoth that we know today.

No. 3: Tiger Woods’ TeI3 Newport (Used to win the 1997 Masters)

OK, GolfWRX audience, it is time for a math problem: What does 32 white elastomer dots plus one sight dot on the topline plus one “up and comer” that came into the 1997 Masters with a decent amateur record equal? How about one of the greatest weeks in the history of golf? My generation’s greatest player completed his explosion into the golf world wielding a Scotty Cameron Teryllium “Sole Stamp” Newport. Did your heart just skip a beat when you read Sole Stamp? Perhaps you are ready to head over to our Classifieds section to track down a T22 (a great re-release of this classic).

Most folks probably had not seen anything like this beautiful, softened Newport with a funky copper-looking insert in the face. What is that putter he is using, and WHAT ARE THOSE DOTS? I imagine onlookers at Amen Corner might have had those thoughts swirling in their minds while the players were dealing with the swirling winds that could knock their ball into Rae’s creek with relative ease. I would equate this putter to the newspaper strips that my father would use when building a fire in my childhood home: This putter caught fire quickly and helped Cameron really heat up with collectors.

No. 2: Bernhard Langer’s Classic I (Used to win the 1993 Masters)

To continue the beautifully written, Shakespeare-like fire analogy, Bernhard Langer’s (Mizuno) Classic I is the kindling to the wildfire that is Scotty Cameron. These transitional putters in the Classic series are some of the most underrated and undervalued putters in the Cameron market, in my opinion. Scotty’s take on the classic Ping Anser first came in the form of the Classic I. Scotty was working for Mizuno at the time of his development of the Classic I and Classic II, thus Bernhard’s putter was stamped Mizuno for the Darrell Survey results. However, this stamping would later be X’d out after Cameron left Mizuno. Believe it or not, the putter has made it out into the collector world and has been verified and COA’d by the Cameron Authentication department.

It is important to remember our roots as people so that we can see where we came from, and how we have since grown. A similar thing can be said for collectors. It is fun to go back and look at the history of the hobby and of the game. While not a hickory-shafted blade, Bernhard Langer’s Classic One was vital to the success of Scotty. An argument could certainly be made that Cameron’s product was so good that had Bernhard not won the 1993 Masters, someone else would have eventually taken home a big trophy using one of Scotty’s creations. However, we do not know that to be the case and Bernhard did in fact help put Scotty on the map with his victory. From the putter collector world – thank you, Bernhard!

No. 1: Tiger Woods’ GSS Newport 2 (Used to win 14 majors)

This is another putter that most people following this article would assume to make the list. There was however some debate in my own mind about the order of No. 1 and No. 2 on this list. Is the Neil Armstrong of Scotty’s major-winning putters more important than the most popular wand he has ever created? It makes for a good argument that, without Bernhard helping Scotty explode on the Tour scene, Tiger may have never had a Cameron in the bag. Would the GOAT have stayed with the Ping? Would another Anser-style head have caught his eye? The what-ifs are fun to think about but impossible to verify.

What is not up for debate is the importance of Tiger Woods’ run with his vertical stamp GSS Newport 2 on the collecting world. 2000 saw the introduction of the three-dot Pro Platinum and Mil-Spec lines. The small “bomb” on these putters were similar to the large “cherry dot” on Tigers and from there, a new wave of collectors burst onto the scene. Getting a “vertical stamp” became a thing. The red dot was a status symbol.

The beautifully-shaped Bullseye and Studio lines would follow in 2001. While these were not the biggest selling putters of Scotty’s lineup, they brought back nostalgia of the “good ol’ days.” This new wave of enthusiasts was now able to appreciate the shaping of a beautiful blade that is not found in the squarer Newport or Newport 2.

2002 might be the year that collectors really began to see the Tiger effect in the retail market. This was the first year that we saw the “My Girl” and was also the debut of the first stainless steel putter that Cameron sold in mass, the “Studio Stainless.” Who remembers the colorful sole of the Studio Stainless? Did you have a “green dot down”? Were you able to get a “beach”? These became important questions, and folks had now been seeing Circle Ts around in different places. Being that one of the best stretches in golf history had taken place two years prior, and knowing that the author of that seemingly immortal feat was using a Scotty Cameron, it became “required” that to be at the top of the putter community, you needed to have one for yourself.

Were there other companies and makers creating great products? Yes, there definitely were. People have long-collected items in the golf world. From hickories to steel and Scottsdale Ansers to Tour Newports, this hobby is not new. However, the beauty of Cameron’s art and the genius of his marketing, aligned with the timing of Eldrick helped escalate our world into what we see today. Scotty helped to show new things that could be done outside of the box and this has led to another wave of collectors and makers that are after fancy dots, creative finishes, custom stamping, and limited headcovers.

Some golfers still feel that paying $300 for a putter is outrageous—and perhaps when comparing the characteristics of function with another brand—it is. However, some collectors will not bat an eye at spending $7,000 on a GSS. Even this $7,000 price tag is “low” when compared to $17,000 Damascus steel models.

Scotty Cameron deserves his place in history as one of the most influential people the game of golf has ever seen. As collectors, we owe him a debt of gratitude for his contribution to our chase, and I for one am very appreciative of his work and the journey on which it has led me.

(Featured image, image 1, image 2, image 3 from Scotty Cameron Authentication Registry) 

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  1. The duke of dudes

    May 19, 2020 at 5:47 pm

    Many moons ago, a story surfaced that Tiger Woods putter is actually a cast and surfaced milled copy of Mark O’Meara’s PING anser 2.
    That’s the reason his backups which are milled, don’t feel the same.

  2. Freddie C.

    May 19, 2020 at 12:34 am

    What a way to make a living being a putter copycat, the man has never really had to think about designing anything. Put a Ping answer in the mold and engrave Scotty on the sole and bam ???? it’s the greatest creation to mankind…..

  3. Gery Katona

    May 18, 2020 at 11:42 pm

    Back in maybe 2005 I was at Fairway Golf in San Diego. They were (are?) a Scotty Tour putter distributor. I got to know the people there and it helped that I worked for a Japanese company and we both knew some other Japanese guys in common. They had one of Tiger’s back-up’s of his 14 major winner for sale and asked me if I’d to roll a few balls! I can’t tell you how nervous I was. I think I hit 4 balls and I recall how soft (quiet, firm, solid) it felt. It was just a moment in time, but something I’ll never forget. They were asking $35K.

  4. XEROX

    May 18, 2020 at 8:07 pm

    And which of these is he responsible for designing ENTIRELY by him?

  5. Benny

    May 18, 2020 at 7:35 pm

    Sorry boys but one more, watch this (which has been erased from Camerons website and Golf Channel) and at 5mins .04 seconds Cameron describes “I added red ink to the holes so they wouldn’t rust”….
    Stainless Steel does NOT Rust. So why would Crazy expensive German Stainless Steel rust?????
    JB.? Anyone?? Its all marketing fellas…
    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=NI9w-vvDR9o

  6. Benny

    May 18, 2020 at 7:25 pm

    Here is the article Espn did and Cameron states he built him a GSS years later. After the initial NP2.
    https://www.espn.com/golf/story/_/id/18544732/golf-tiger-woods-scotty-cameron-world-most-famous-putter

  7. Benny

    May 18, 2020 at 7:16 pm

    Every other GSS Cameron says GSS on it except Tigers.
    You will not find any article in the 2000’s say Tigers putter is GSS.
    https://www.golfdigest.com/story/winnersbag20050615
    https://www.golfchannel.com/article/golf-channel-digital/whats-bag-tiger-woods-1
    JB- What makes you so right it is GSS?

    • JB

      May 19, 2020 at 10:36 am

      @Benny – I never said it was GSS. I only said that it was definitely not carbon and definitely not pro platinum. I agree that the whole GSS business is a marketing scheme made to sell putters for 8-10 grand each on the gallery site.

      • Benny

        May 19, 2020 at 2:24 pm

        Understood JB. I agree with your statement as well as everyone elses. Cameron won the lottery. But I am sure there were many ups amd downs as well. But just like LAMB and PXG built their market Scotty has his. If it wasn’t for Tiger beleiving in him and his putter he wouldn’t be much today. This is why GSS is such a fraud term. But he marketed it perfectly and with having the ability to call Tigers putter GSS he now can sell those putters for $10k and be sold out in minutes.
        Marketing and making wants over needs is where it is at. When you do it right and find it you can make millions!

  8. Benny

    May 18, 2020 at 7:03 pm

    JB- this is just me adding up the peices mate. Like why does Cameron specifically say he needed to add red printer ink to the 2 holes so they wouldn’t rust?
    Also why was Tigers 2000 putter the only GSS Cameron mentioned for 5 plus years?
    You can also go back to many articles about Tigers putter never being detailed as GSS.

  9. BillyG

    May 18, 2020 at 6:05 pm

    I have a SC American Classic III Bullseye that I would part with because it just doesn’t putt or feel that great. However, I can’t get my money back, so it sits in a corner with a really nice head cover. My original Bullseye putts better and feels better. That is probably just me since I grew up playing Bullseye. How about an article that ranks the SC head covers?

  10. Delbert

    May 18, 2020 at 3:48 pm

    I have a SC American Classic III Bullseye and don’t need it. My old Bullseye original putts better. One other effect of SC is very expensive hardcovers.

  11. Ty Webb

    May 18, 2020 at 1:58 pm

    “Scotty Cameron deserves his place in history as one of the most influential people the game of golf has ever seen.”

    This comment is a joke! Scotty is like the Wizard of Oz. The guy literally has stolen putter designs from everyone that came before him. Bob Bettinardi milled all of his putters in the beginning days at Titleist because Scotty had 0 clue how to run a milling machine. After Bettinardi stopped Titleist for a time was casting putters and millig over them to look milled. Dan Ashcroft was the one coming up with designs like the Futura not Scotty. The guy is a fraud.

  12. Steve C

    May 18, 2020 at 12:32 pm

    I enjoy playing golf, and I enjoy reading about golf related subjects. However, to some extent, putters are just putters. Either someone can putt well, or they can’t. A $50 putter vs. a $500 putter is NOT going to change that fact. Heck, While playing my best golf many years ago, 2 handicap, I was using a putter that I may (or may not) have liberated from a putt-putt golf course during the 1970s

    • George

      May 18, 2020 at 1:18 pm

      I disagree!! A putters weight , feel and balance make a huge difference. At least for me!! Hit em straight!!!

    • Imafitter

      May 18, 2020 at 4:35 pm

      LOL! When I was 12 I went to Putt-Putt every Saturday morning. Used to win a lot and bought the putter I always used for $5. Still have it!

  13. jgpl001

    May 18, 2020 at 12:31 pm

    It always amuses me when guys balk at paying $300 for a putter and don’t bat an eye lid when shelling out $500 for a driver and maybe an extra $250+ for an exotic shaft on top

  14. Clay

    May 18, 2020 at 11:36 am

    Scotty make wonderful putters, beautiful stuff. But I am sure T.P. Mills was making milled black oxide carbon steel putters long before the Blue Goose came along. Spaulding produced those designs in mass as well.

  15. Pingfan

    May 18, 2020 at 11:21 am

    On a per-item basis, Scotty Cameron must have made WAY more money than Karsten Solheim ever did from Ping Anser and Anser 2-shaped putters.

    • Imafitter

      May 18, 2020 at 12:31 pm

      Ping sold the Anser series for $50-$70 ea back in the day. A current Cameron costs under $50 to produce. Retail mark-up is 10-12%, and the rest is marketing. A pro can make a putt with any putter. But they get them free and most get paid to have a particular brand in their bag.

  16. Francis

    May 18, 2020 at 11:00 am

    What is Scotty’s best selling putter line? Gotta be the pro platinums, right?

  17. Imafitter

    May 18, 2020 at 10:26 am

    So who actually milled Cameron in the early days? Wasn’t it Bettinardi, who also made Mizuno putters? I’m also sick and tired of putter designers taking credit for designs by Ping. Too bad their patents expired or these “designers” would be flipping burgers.

    • Will

      May 18, 2020 at 12:57 pm

      Bob Bettinardi made the Classic 1 and Tigers first Masters winner.

    • Acemandrake

      May 18, 2020 at 1:11 pm

      “The next new Scotty Cameron design will come out when the next Ping patent runs out.”

      Anonymous

  18. Benny

    May 18, 2020 at 10:10 am

    Great article but when did Cameron actually release GSS putters? Wasn’t it 4-5 years after Tigers putter was received?
    Why would Cameron have needed to “add red printer ink to the 1gram holes so they wouldn’t rust”?
    Sure Tigers putter is extremly valuable but its not GSS. Its Pro Platinum which is a finished carbon. Carbon rusts, Stainless Steel does not unless its heavily mixed with carbon.
    Cameron has tried getting Tiger to replace this putter dozens of times. Why? Because GSS is his biggest seller and whats makes them the largest profit.
    Luckily Tiger has gone along with Cameron these last 10+ years sayings its GSS. Maybe Tiger was paid or maybe its just out of kindness. Either way there is a lot more to this story and its about marketing.

    • JB

      May 18, 2020 at 10:30 am

      @Benny Tiger’s putter is definitely not carbon and definitely not pro platinum. Not sure where you got your info, but it’s incorrect.

  19. Stanley

    May 18, 2020 at 9:28 am

    I have the classic I putter. It’s in decent shape. It doesn’t have any sight lines or dots on it. It’s a great putter. Still feels as good as anything.

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A Deep Dive: The equipment timeline of David Duval, 1993-2001

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Like Tiger, David Toms, and Fred Couples there are certain players that I have been obsessed with for years. If you go to my Instagram, you can see it in plain sight. When it comes to DD it was more than the what, it was the why, the how that sparked my curiosity. Let’s face it, in 2000 with the Mossimo gear, Oakley shades, jacked-up physique, and on Titleist staff, was there ever a cooler looking player?

No. There wasn’t or isn’t.

That’s where my interest in Larry Bobka came about. I saw David and Larry walking the fairways of Sahalee at the ’98 PGA Championship.

At the time, I was already knee-deep in David Duval fandom but that experience took me over the top. Bobka had a handful of clubs in his hands and would pass DD a 970 3-wood, Duval would give it a rip and the two would discuss while walking down the fairway. Of all my time watching live golf, I have never been so awestruck.

This is an homage to David’s equipment during his prime/healthy years on the PGA Tour. From his early days with Mizuno, into the Titleist days, and finally Nike.

1993-1995 Mizuno

*This was an interesting time for Duval from an equipment standpoint. The pattern of mixing sets to put together his bag began and it was the time he transitioned from persimmon (Wood Bros driver) into metal woods. It was also the beginning of his long relationship with Scotty Cameron, a relationship that still stands today.

What was in the bag

Driver: TaylorMade Tour Burner 8.5 w/ Dynamic Gold X100 (*he also played with the Bubble XHKP Prototype)

3-wood

King Cobra @14 w/ Dynamic Gold X100

TaylorMade Tour Issue Spoon @13  w/ Dynamic Gold X100

Irons

1993: (1) Ping Eye2, (3-PW) Mizuno Pro TN-87 with Dynamic Gold X100

1994: (1) Ping Eye2, (3-PW) Mizuno Pro TN-87 with Dynamic Gold X100

1995: (2,3) Mizuno TC-29, (4-PW) Mizuno TN-87 with Dynamic Gold X100

Wedges: Mizuno Pro (53, 58) with Dynamic Gold X100

Putter: Scotty Cameron Classic Newport (35 inches, 71 lie, 4 degrees of loft)

Ball: Titleist Tour Balata 100

Glove: Mizuno Pro

1996-2000 Titleist

The beginning of the Titleist years started off quietly. There wasn’t any new product launched and David wasn’t quite the star he would become 12-18 months later. However, it gave Titleist the opportunity to get to know DD and his overall preferences, which aren’t dramatic but certainly unique. He didn’t win in 1996 but did qualify for the Presidents Cup Team and finished that event off at 4-0. So the buzz was going in the right direction and his peers certainly took notice.

It was 1997 that things took off on all fronts and it was the year that Titleist made David Duval the face of the DCI brand and with that decision spawned the greatest cast players cavity ever: the 962B—and also equipped David Duval to go on a 3-year run that was surpassed by only Tiger Woods.

Hence the deep dive article I wrote up earlier this month

What was in the bag

Driver

1996

TaylorMade Bubble Tour 8.5 w/ Bubble XHKP Prototype

1997

TaylorMade Bubble Tour 8.5 w/ Bubble XHKP Prototype

King Cobra Deep Face 9 w/ Dynamic Gold X100

Callaway Warbird Great Big Bertha 6.5 w/ Dynamic Gold X100, True Temper EI70 Tour X

Titleist 975D 6.5 (no line heavier head weight) w/ Fujikura Prototype X

1998

Callaway Warbird Great Big Bertha 6.5 w/ True Temper EI70 Tour X

Titleist 975D 6.5 (no line heavier head weight) w/ True Temper EI70 Tour X

1999: Titleist 975D 6.5 (no line heavier head weight) @ 7.5 w/ True Temper EI70 Tour X

2000: Titleist 975D 7.5 (no line heavier head weight) w/ True Temper EI70 Tour X

3-wood

1996

King Cobra @14 w/ True Temper Dynamic Gold X100

1997 

King Cobra @14 w/ True Temper Dynamic Gold X100

1998

Callaway S2H2 (1 Dot) @14 w/ Fujikura Vista Pro 90X


Callaway Steelhead 3+ @13 w/ RCH 90 Pro Series Strong

Titleist 970 (Dark Grey Head) @13 w/ True Temper EI70 Tour X (only tested this one)

1999

Callaway S2H2 (1 Dot) @14 w/ Fujikura Vista Pro 90X

Cobra Gravity Back 14.5T w/ True Temper EI70 Tour X

Irons

1996

(2-PW) Titleist DD Blank Prototype w/ True Temper Dynamic Gold X100 (w/sensicore)

(2-PW) Titleist DCI Black “B” w/ True Temper Dynamic Gold X100 (w/sensicore)

*This prototype set was a blank set of the DCI Black “B” but with sole modifications. 

1997, 1998, 1999, 2000: (2,3) Titleist DCI Black (4-PW) Titleist DCI 962B w/ True Temper Dynamic Gold X100 (with sensicore)

*David liked the original prototype version of DG Sensicore X100 that had weight removed from the center of shaft to create better feel and a slightly higher trajectory

24 Feb 2000: David Duval watches the ball after hitting it during the World Match-Play Championships at the La Costa Resort & Spa in Carlsbad, California. Mandatory Credit: Harry How /Allsport

Wedges

1996: (52 @53, 58) Mizuno Pro, (56 @57) Cleveland 588 RTG w/ True Temper Dynamic Gold S400

1997: (53) Cobra “Trusty Rusty”, (57 @58) Cleveland 588 RTG, (58) Titleist Bobka Grind, (57 @58) Cobra Trusty Rusty w/ True Temper Dynamic Gold S400

1998: (53) Cobra “Trusty Rusty”, (57 @58) Cleveland 588 RTGw/ True Temper Dynamic Gold S400

1999: (53) Cobra “Trusty Rusty”, (57 @58) Cleveland 588 RTG w/ True Temper Dynamic Gold S400

2000: (53) Cobra “Trusty Rusty”, (57 @58) Cleveland 588 “Gun Metal” w/ True Temper Dynamic Gold S400

PUTTER

1996: Scotty Cameron Classic Newport 1 35 Inches, 71 Lie, 4 Degrees of Loft, Scotty Cameron Long Slant Neck Laguna Custom (double welded neck)

1997: Odyssey Dual Force Rossie 2, Scotty Cameron Pro Platinum Newport “Beached”  35 Inches, 71 Lie, 4 Degrees of Loft w/ PingMan “Blacked Out” Grip

1998, 1999, 2000: Scotty Cameron Pro Platinum Newport “Beached”  35 Inches, 71 Lie, 4 Degrees of Loft w/ PingMan “Blacked Out” Grip

2001: Nike Golf and The Open Championship

The relationship with Titleist Golf ended quickly and when David showed up to Kapalua with a non-Titleist stand bag the rumor mill went nuts. The story (although super speculative) was that David opted out in the middle of a $4.5 million per year deal with Acushnet, a lawsuit followed, but Davids’s stance was that he had a marquee player clause that allowed him to walk if he wasn’t “marquee” aka highest-paid.

Apparently he had a point, Acushnet had recently inked big deals with Davis Love and Phil Mickelson leading someone on the outside to do the math. However, I’m not an attorney, wasn’t there, and have no clue what the legality of any of it was. Point is, he walked and landed at Nike with a new head-to-toe contract. 

 

DRIVER:

Titleist 975D 7.5 (no line heavier head weight) w/ True Temper EI70 Tour X

Titleist 975E Prototype 8.5 w/ True Temper EI70 Tour X

Nike Titanium w/ True Temper EI-70 II Tour X (pictured below)

Nike Titanium Prototype 7.5 w/ True Temper EI70 Tour X (featured image)

3 WOOD:

Callaway Steelhead Plus 4+ @15 w/ RCH 90 Pro Series Strong

Nike Prototype @14 degrees w/ True Temper EI-70 Tour X

Sonartec/Excedo (SS-03 head) Driving Cavity @14 w/ Fujikura Vista Pro 90X

IRONS:

(2-PW) Titleist 990B w/ True Temper Dynamic Gold X100  (with sensicore)

(2-PW) Nike Prototype “DD” Grind MB w/ True Temper Dynamic Gold X100 (with sensicore)

(2) Titleist DCI Black w/ True Temper Dynamic Gold X100  (with sensicore)

 

WEDGES: 

(53) Cobra “Trusty Rusty”, (57 @58) Cleveland 588 “Gun Metal” w/ True Temper Dynamic Gold S400

(53,58) Nike DD Grind w/ True Temper Dynamic Gold S400

PUTTER: Scotty Cameron Pro Platinum Newport “Beached”  35 Inches, 71 Lie, 4 Degrees of Loft w/ PingMan “Blacked Out” Grip

SPEC TALK

Over the years the one constant was David’s iron and wedge specs. As a shut-faced player he has always favored traditional lofts in his irons. However, a cool thing to note is his lie angles remained constant 59.5 (2-4), 60 (5-9). The running theory here was being a shallow (low hands) and shut faced player, keeping the lie angles at a constant (flatter) lie angle allowed him to feel like his angle of attack could remain the same for each iron. It’s just a feeling but that’s what he did. If the “why of it” is true, it looks like he was doing Bryson things before Bryson did.

David Duval Iron/Wedge Specs

Loft/Lie/Length/SW

  • 2-17/59.5/40.25/D5
  • 3-20.5/59.5/39 1/6/D4
  • 4-24/59.5/38 9/16/D4
  • 5-27/60/38 1/16/D4
  • 6-30.5/60/ 37 9/16/D4
  • 7-35/60/37 1/16/D4
  • 8-39/60/36 9/16/D4
  • 9-43/60/36 5/16/D4
  • P-47/61/36/ 1/16/D5
  • GW-53/62/35 5/8/D4
  • LW-58/62/35 9/16/D6

Whew…since this prolific run, David transitioned into some interesting projects with smaller companies like Scratch, B.I.G Golf (AKA Bio-engineered in Germany), back to the mainstream with Nike, and most currently Cobra Golf.

I hope you all enjoyed this walk down memory lane with me, Duval is not only fascinating from a career standpoint but digging into the equipment of DD has been quite the experience.

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“Why can’t I hit my new irons to a consistent distance?” – GolfWRXers have their say

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In our forums, our members have been discussing irons and how to hit your numbers consistently. WRXer ‘Hubb1e’, who is a 15 handicap, is having issues and says:

“I recently upgraded from 20 year old Taylor Made 360 irons to a set of custom-built Callaway Apex 19 Forged irons. Old irons were traditional cavity back. New irons are categorized as players distance irons. Both have the same fit.

My new 3 iron will go 230 yards or 130 yards and not even make it far enough to reach the fairway. My new 7 iron will typically go 160 yards but will often will fly 175 yards or drop out of the air at 120 yards. I can’t control the distances of my new irons, and I spent a fortune custom fitting them to my swing. Why is this happening? This was never an issue with my old irons. A bad hit would go 10-20% shorter, but I never had balls fly over the green or completely fall out of the air. What is going on with my new equipment?”

Our members offer up their solutions in our forum.

Here are a few posts from the thread, but make sure to check out the entire discussion and have your say at the link below.

  • ThreeBoxers: “Strike quality is your answer. Tech or no tech, irons will not have 50-yard distance discrepancies. Not super familiar with the Apex irons, but they’re pretty forgiving no? You might lose 10 yards on toe or heel strikes but 40, 50? You’re probably hitting it heavy. If they have a beveled edge, it may mask the feeling of hitting it fat a bit, but not the result. My Mizunos have a pretty aggressive front edge grind which helps a ton on heavy shots. It’s the difference between landing 15 yards short and 50 yards short. +1 on using foot spray to check impact.”
  • extrastiff: “It also would not hurt to check your swing speed. Even strike being terrible that’s a large discrepancy. Maybe your last build had a weight that helped you get consistent swing speed.”
  • WristySwing: “I would say inconsistent strike is the biggest issue. Now that can mean a couple of things. It could mean you, as in the person swinging, are not hitting the ball properly because of inconsistent delivery. The other option is the fit is bad, and it is causing you to be extremely inconsistent because you cannot feel the head. It might be a little bit of column A and column B. However, I would lean more towards column A in this scenario because even a horrifically misfit set someone could get used to it eventually and not have 100 yards of discrepancy in carry shot to shot. I’ve seen people who are playing 50g ladies flex irons with fat wide soles who are very shallow and swing a 6i 92mph still not have 100 yards of carry flux with their sets. If your miss is toe-side 9/10x that is because you are coming too far from the inside. When you get too stuck on the inside you typically stall and throw your arms at it. When you break your wrists (flip)/throw your arms at it you get a very inconsistent low point average that often manifests in extremely fat or thin strikes….typically fat since your squat and rotate is out of sync with your release. As others have said, get some impact tape/foot powder spray and see where you are actually making contact. Then if you can get on a video lesson and see what the issue is. As of right now, we can all only assume what is going on. If your low point control is good, you don’t get stuck, and you are hitting it in the middle of the head — then fit comes into question.”
  • larryd3: “I”d be on the phone to my fitter and setting up a time to go back in and see what’s going on with the irons. You shouldn’t be getting those types of results with a properly fit set of irons. When I got my fitting earlier this year at TrueSpec, the fitter, after watching me hit a bunch with my current irons, focused on increasing the spin on my irons, not on distance but on consistency. So far, they seem to be working well when I put a decent swing on them.”
  • fastnhappy: “One possibility that wouldn’t necessarily show up indoors is sole design and turf interaction. You may have a real problem with the newer clubs because of a sole design that doesn’t work for your swing. That’s hard to tell when hitting inside off a mat. If so, you’d see major distance inconsistency because of strike. The feedback I’ve seen on the players distance irons is exactly what you’re describing… difficult to control distance.”

Entire Thread: “Why can’t I hit my new irons to a consistent distance?”

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What GolfWRXers are saying about their favorite watch for golf

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In our forums, our members have been discussing their favorite watches for golf. WRXer ‘Sourpuss’ asks fellow members: “Dealer’s choice, cost is of no concern. What would you wear if you could afford it? Top 5 of your choice?” and WRXers have been weighing in with their choices in our forum.

Here are a few posts from the thread, but make sure to check out the entire discussion and have your say at the link below.

  • sheppy335: “Garmin S40. Love the feel and look.”
  • golfkrzy10: “Apple iWatch with the hole 19 app. Yardage, score, fway, and putts. Perfect for my minimalist walking views on the golf course.”
  • jcboiler: “Second the Apple Watch. Need to look into the apps though.”
  • Deadsquiggles: “If it didn’t bother me to play with a heavy watch, I’d wear my Deep Blue NATO Diver Automatic. But instead, I wear my cheap GShock.”
  • Golfjack: “I thought I was going to come in with a witty comment about my expensive watch, but looks like I’m late! Anyway, I wear my Galaxy Active 2 normally now. Used the Golf Caddie app for a few times. It worked well enough, but I don’t see it helping too much. Still prefer using apps on the phone if I need GPS info. Otherwise, I just use my rangefinder.”

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