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Titleist’s new TS2 and TS3 drivers: Tech Talk and Fitting Results

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As per Titleist’s standard two-year cycle of metalwoods, it’s been two years since the company launched its 917 drivers and fairway woods. But for some reason, the launch of its new TS2 and TS3 drivers this year feels different than launches of year’s past. Maybe it’s because of the nomenclature shift away from the 900s, or maybe it was the 17 players who put the driver in play the first week possible (including Justin Thomas and Jimmy Walker) at the 2018 U.S. Open, or maybe it’s because Titleist was calling this driver mission the “Titleist Speed Project.” Could Titleist make these drivers faster and longer without giving up forgiveness? And if so, how?

Well, the GolfWRX team traveled to the Titleist Performance Institute in Oceanside, California to find out everything possible about the new TS2 and TS3 drivers. First, we learned everything there is to know about the technology, design, specs, shafts and pricing from Josh Talge, the Vice President of Marketing at Titleist, and Stephanie Luttrell, the Director of Metalwood Development. Then, we put the drivers to the test on Oceanside’s range, as GolfWRX’s Original Content Creator Johnny Wunder received a full fitting from Titleist’s Master Fitting Supervisor Glenn Mahler, comparing his gamer driver to the new Titleist TS2 and TS3 drivers.

The cool part? We had the cameras rolling the entire time. Check out the information, photos and videos below to learn about Titleist’s new TS2 and TS3 drivers.

See what GolfWRX Members are saying about the drivers here.

Tech Talk: Titleist TS2 and TS3 drivers

Why did Titleist get rid of the Active Recoil Channel in the TS2 and TS3 drivers? Find out here.

To summarize, the TS2 and TS3 drivers have a 20 percent thinner titanium crown than the 917 drivers, allowing weight to be placed lower and deeper for lower CG (center of gravity) and higher MOI (moment of inertia, a measure of forgiveness). The faces also use variable thickness for faster ball speeds across the face, and this year, the faces have been made 6 grams lighter.

According to Titleist, the faces are so thin now that the scoring lines have to be lasered onto the faces instead of etched, as with previous generations. With the combination of weight savings from the face and crown, Titleist says these drivers have the lowest CG ever for a Titleist driver, and MOI is 12 percent higher than the 917 drivers.

Additionally, for more club head speed, Titleist says that enhanced aerodynamic shaping of the club heads that reduces drag by up to 20 percent.

As with the previous Titleist 917 drivers, the TS2 and TS3 will have a SureFit hosel that has 16 independent loft and lie settings. The 460cc TS2 has a fixed CG location, a “high launch, low spin” profile, and is available in 8.5, 9.5, 10.5 and 11.5 degree lofts.

The TS3 driver, on the other hand, has a SureFit CG weight system that does allow golfers/fitter to adjust for launch characteristics. Also at 460cc, the TS3 driver has a “mid launch, low spin” profile, and is available in 8.5, 9.5 and 10.5 degree lofts.

Stock shafts include Mitsubishi’s Kuro Kage Black Dual Core 50, Mitsubishi’s Tensei AV Series Blue 55, Project X’s HZRDUS Smoke Black 60, and Project X’s Even Flow T1100 White 65. Each of the drivers will be available on Sept. 28, and will sell for $499.

To find a free fitting or trial event near you, click here.

The Full Fitting: Could the TS2 or TS3 beat Johnny’s gamer?

See what GolfWRX Members are saying about the drivers here.

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  1. Jay

    Feb 24, 2019 at 4:56 pm

    I’d like to see Johnny hit his SLDR with that Blueboard. It’s all about the shaft! The TS are good looking drivers I must say.

  2. Max

    Sep 25, 2018 at 1:37 pm

    How can you work for Golfwrx and still game a SLDR? C’mon, man!

  3. Tom

    Sep 7, 2018 at 4:25 pm

    Uncle Rico is taking bets that he can hit a ball with these drivers over them there mountains!

  4. John S

    Sep 7, 2018 at 8:49 am

    A thinner face and longer shaft… lol…. revolutionary! What a joke

  5. JasonHolmes

    Sep 6, 2018 at 7:52 pm

    So a five year old gamer got beat out by a professionally fitted current model?

    No kidding.

  6. Tom

    Sep 6, 2018 at 7:17 pm

    WOW so new and different from the last model! Will probably will add at least 50 to 100 yards more carry to each drive!!! You will need to chip back to all the greens on long par fours you airmail from the tee?

    • Ty

      Sep 7, 2018 at 6:33 am

      That was funny. These companies think we are mental and are going to buy into all the baloney they keep spouting.

    • golfsmask

      Sep 26, 2018 at 11:39 pm

      I always like to leave comments whenever I see something impressive. I appreciate your expert article!

  7. Charles Clarkly

    Sep 6, 2018 at 5:23 pm

    Who’s that LPGA’er Canadian gal, Brooke, that swings what looks to be a 65″ shaft? She’s what, 5’4″, and she CRUSHES IT!!

  8. stevet

    Sep 6, 2018 at 3:55 pm

    “…lower CG (center of gravity) and higher MOI (moment of inertia, a measure of forgiveness)…”. NO… it’s lower CM (center of mass) and higher MOI (moment of inertia, a measure of inertial resistance) …!!!!

    • halensmith

      Sep 24, 2018 at 3:13 am

      Great article for the beginners like us . I am a new in this game and enjoying the adventure

  9. ron

    Sep 6, 2018 at 3:49 pm

    Great new drivers for the Tour players… and gearheads who only look at their WITB fantasy gonadal arsenal of weapons.

  10. Andy LaCombe

    Sep 6, 2018 at 1:36 pm

    Awesome piece – was a blast to watch the discussion and then the fitting. Thanks!

  11. dat

    Sep 6, 2018 at 1:32 pm

    what is the HZRDUS Smoke? Just a new shaft finish or an actual new shaft?

    • james

      Sep 9, 2018 at 7:15 am

      Special made in China cheap shaft for morons who think its the same made in San Diego shaft the pros use

  12. Aaron

    Sep 6, 2018 at 12:49 pm

    Tripod camera was much better than the jiggling handheld.

  13. Jerry

    Sep 6, 2018 at 11:06 am

    TS2 looks like Taylormade R9 Supertri

    • Craaap

      Sep 6, 2018 at 12:44 pm

      Because it is. A copy.

      • JP

        Sep 6, 2018 at 2:42 pm

        They all are to some extent. How much different can you make a driver with so many having been designed in past years? The newest driver is bound to share some characteristics with older models.

        Don’t like it, don’t buy it.

  14. BirdieBouy18

    Sep 6, 2018 at 10:41 am

    How many degrees up or down does a SureFit adapter allow?

    • ron

      Sep 6, 2018 at 3:51 pm

      12º… all the way from the LD to duffer lofts … 😮

  15. Richard Douglas

    Sep 6, 2018 at 10:22 am

    Not sure I see the value proposition for upgrading from the 917D2.

  16. Dave

    Sep 6, 2018 at 10:16 am

    finally a fitter with a 44.5 inch playing shaft. all fitters in my area ever never have anything other than stock even though most should be playing much shorter….im 6 3 and 44.5 is my length how the hell can a guy at 5’6″ play a 45.5 inch shaft with consistency.

    • Doug

      Sep 6, 2018 at 10:28 am

      Exactly on the “long” shafts!

    • Forrester

      Sep 6, 2018 at 10:41 am

      The theoretical 5’6″ guy has a better, more consistently repeatable swing than you?

    • Craaap

      Sep 6, 2018 at 12:46 pm

      Sure, Dave, if you also want to hit it shorter.

    • golfraven

      Sep 8, 2018 at 4:48 pm

      Been gaming a 44.5” 913 D3 and after the TS fitting I still walked away with half an inch shorter club but this time at 45”. Its about consistency and I have not seen much of dispersion. So I rather get the ball speed up with that 0.5 inch and maybe an iron less to the green. However, anything above 45” is just bs for folks under 6 feet

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Forum Thread of the Day: “Masters fashion commentary”

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Today’s Forum Thread of the Day comes from manku who opened the forum for a discussion on the best and worst of fashion exhibited at the 2019 Masters. Our members discuss the good, the bad and the ugly on show at last week’s opening major of the year, with some items, such as Adam Scott’s pleated pants, dividing opinion.

Here are a few posts from the thread, but make sure to check out the entire discussion and have your say at the link below.

  • alecfeltman: ” Adams pants worry me. Go back to the tailored slim version. He was dressing like a king until the masters. Rory looks great. Good fit and style. I’m a fan. I don’t understand the new cotton shirts from Nike. Jason Day on Thursday was odd, Friday he did good. TW – I’m a fan this week. I still don’t get why Patrick Reed is sponsored by Nike? That guy needs to wear some brand like Loudmouth. Koepka loves those crazy hats – I dig it. What is the connection between Nike “Snake Pack” and Augusta? I don’t see it. Can someone explain?”
  • elpadidji: “Went here after I saw Adam Scott, thought he looked super good. Got some Arnold Palmer vibes from him.”
  • hardcalier: “Kind of a bad week for fashion in my opinion. Adam Scott’s pants were super baggy like 3 out of 4 days. Tiger looked like he dusted off his wardrobe from 15 years ago. Fortunately, his game from 15 years ago came with it. Adidas stuff is pretty plain, never looks great but never looks awful either. Jason Day looks a little heavy in plaid. Koepka’s print hats were terrible.”
  • Yanki01: “Adam Scott who usually keeps it simple and clean looked hideous. Same for Jason Day and the yellow pants. Not sure if it was the old school look he was going for, but the AM shoes didn’t flow well. Some classic shoes maybe would have helped with some trimmed pants. Justin Thomas was best dressed and usually always is.”

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Honma T World 747 Rose Proto MB irons are coming to retail

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When Justin Rose signed with Honma in at the beginning of January, speculation ensued as to which irons the Englishman would play. Quickly, we learned Rose would game T World 747 Rose Proto MB irons — and he took to the clubs quickly, winning the Famers Insurance Open later that month.

So, clearly, the S20C mild steel irons work for Rose, as they’ve been in his bag since that point, but will they work for the general consumer? Up until this point, we’ve been unable to answer that question, as the irons were tour only. With today’s news, however, we now know Rose Proto irons are coming to retail.

According to the company, the irons, which are forged at Honma HQ in Sakata, Japan, are the result of several months of testing and modification in conjunction with Rose.

The world No. 2 had this say: “The idea of having a hand in the collaborative design process for my set of clubs was extremely exciting. Working with the Honma master craftsmen to create an iron that felt and looked great for me was one of the biggest thrills of my career.”

The irons feature varying CG throughout the set to achieve Rose’s preferred trajectories and a combination satin front and mirror back finish, as well as blended muscleback design.

Full specs below.

Rose Proto MB irons will sell for $175 USD per club and will come in a 4-10 iron set configuration. The company will also offer a 3-iron separately.

 

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Spotted: Dustin Johnson with new Fujikura Ventus prototype at the Masters, RBC Heritage

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Beyond the obvious big news of some guy named Mr. Woods winning his fifth green jacket this past weekend, there were some pretty interesting developments with another player that runs on a first name basis or at least initials: DJ switched drivers MID tournament and had a new Fujikura Ventus prototype shaft to go along with his new TaylorMade M6 as he took on Augusta National Saturday and Sunday.

We don’t have all the details yet, but from what we have heard so far this new Prototype Black Ventus is an even lower launching version of the blue Ventus currently available. If history is correct, and we are looking at a line extension, then the colors tell a lot of the story. The Atmos line features both a blue and black version with a final higher-launching red version to round out the series in what Fuji calls their color-coded launch system to make fitting and product recognition just that much easier.

Photos of the “black” prototype via Fujikura.

It’s not unusual for shaft companies like Fujikura to bring out prototype profiles utilizing technologies from their newest lines to try and get them into the bags of more players. Fuji’s newest technology is VeloCore, and we have already seen it adopted at a high rate. Here is some more info from Fujikura to explain the technology

“VeloCore is a multi-material core comprised of ultra-high modulus Pitch 70 Ton Carbon Fiber (about 150% stronger and more stable than T1100g) and 40 Ton bias layers that are the full length of the shaft for incredible stability. VeloCore Technology promotes consistent center-face impact and provides ultimate stability, tightening dispersion and increasing control. The result is a shaft that maximizes the MOI (moment of inertia) and ball speed of your clubhead through the reduction of twist during the swing and at impact, especially on off-center hits.”

This makes sense, considering any contact made beyond an absolutely perfect (almost impossible from a physics standpoint) strike in line with the COG of a driver head traveling at 120 mph will result in twisting at impact — MOI is maximized in driver heads to increase stability along with spin with Ventus and VelocCore, Fujikura thanks to their Enzo system, is better understanding how that relationship works with the shaft to produce new and better products.

Anyway, since we know DJ deviated from his traditional Fujikura Speeder Evolution II Tour Spec driver shaft for his weekend rounds this past weekend, we can expect to see it again this week at the RBC Heritage this week at Hilton Head, and we’ll have our eyes peeled to see where else this shaft pops up on tour.

Johnson teeing off during Wednesday’s RBC Heritage Pro-Am.

 

 

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