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Brandel Chamblee has a theory about Tiger’s poor putting. What do you think?

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Tiger Woods finished six shots behind Bryson DeChambeau at Jack’s Place. With a cooperative putter, the story would have been much different.

Woods was first in several ball-striking categories at Muirfield Village including Strokes Gained: Tee to Green (+14.157); Strokes Gained: Approach the Green (+11.164). But he was second to last in Strokes Gained: Putting (-7.695), according to Ben Everill of PGATour.com.

“If I just putt normally, I probably would be right there with those guys and up there in the last couple of groups,” Woods said. “I just need to hit better putts. This week I didn’t feel comfortable with my lines and my feel was a little bit off. Consequently I missed a bunch of putts.”

Brandel Chamblee had an interesting take on Golf Channel regarding Woods’ setup.

Comparing Woods’ setup over his trademark Scotty Cameron Newport 2, Chamblee pointed out the 14-time major champion is far more upright than he was earlier in his career. Further, Chamblee adds Woods’ weight appears to be much more in his heels, which he believes would alter the arc of Woods’ putting stroke.

Karen Stupples, for her part, pointed to Woods’ eyeline over the ball, suggesting that when he has putted his best, it has been with his eyes directly over the ball–which was not the case at the Memorial.

However, Chamblee is right to suggest that the altered setup may have to do with Woods’ surgically fused back.

What do you think about Chamblee’s take, GolfWRX members? What did you see in Tiger’s work on the green at Muirfield VIllage? Mere variance? Cause for concern?

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  1. Jack

    Jun 6, 2018 at 5:49 pm

    I held a ruler up to the screen from the eyes down… can’t figure out how they think his eyes are much different. They look to be the same in relation to the ball to me. ???

  2. Nigel

    Jun 6, 2018 at 1:04 pm

    I think it’s which side he’s dressed on. He used to dress left but no he dresses right and that prevents him from properly transferring his weight and plumb bobbing with his johnson properly.

  3. painter33

    Jun 6, 2018 at 12:36 pm

    When comparing the two photographs (and allowing for a slightly different angles), the difference in his setup is where his hands are in relation to his shoulders. The older images shows his hands inside a line dropped from his shoulder whereas in the newer images his hands are to the outside of that line, effectively making him reach a bit and bringing his hands and forearms into the stroke instead of a shoulder “rock” that eliminates the hands and forearms. That also accounts for where his eyes are to the ball and how upright he is. A lumbar fusion certainly could be the culprit – I’ve had three lumbar fusions and the most taxing position is decidedly putting. It’s where I get tired and a little sore when practicing.

  4. Wiger Toods

    Jun 6, 2018 at 3:27 am

    I don’t get it… reads are the art… Chamblee think it isn’t going where it’s started??

    A putt is always a targeted, finesse stroke. Always a feel. Takes time. Look how far back he is in such a short time! It’ll return. Patience isn’t a media trait.

  5. Mo

    Jun 5, 2018 at 4:09 pm

    Im going to say this is oart of the game where Stevie is missed the most.

  6. Todd Dugan

    Jun 5, 2018 at 1:44 pm

    When Tiger refers to his “normal” putting, he means that he makes everything. He’s the greatest putter of all time. Its weird…he never gets credit for it, but as soon as he’s not making everything, people say, “what’s wrong with his putting?” I’d love to see how he ranked in strokes gained putting for his wins. I’m sure it’d be mostly first.

  7. David Ey

    Jun 5, 2018 at 12:33 am

    • longer shirt sleeves
    • relaxed fit pants
    • glove in his back-right pocket

    Truly only Tiger knows.
    That being said, he’s going through what seems to be very strict mechanics making him look rigid over putts, and unable to feel the line to sink it. I think he just sticks to what he’s doing until it comes around.

  8. Rrrr

    Jun 4, 2018 at 9:04 pm

    Nope.
    Too many painkillers and corticosteroids make your body and, your fingers, numb. It’s never the same. You can bash the ball with power, but the finesse feel goes away…….. and aging doesn’t help

    • bill

      Jun 4, 2018 at 11:04 pm

      “..finesse feel..” …. what is that? Is it something kinesthetic… or is is something to do with emotional feelings… or both?

      • Man

        Jun 6, 2018 at 1:32 am

        Why don’t you ask Chambles, he would know

        • Bruce

          Jun 6, 2018 at 11:26 am

          Chambles don’t know squat!!!!!!! If he’s so great how come he’s not out there playing!!!!!!! His record is not as great as TIGER’s!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  9. Jay

    Jun 4, 2018 at 9:01 pm

    Mr. Chamblee, maybe tiger needs to lift his left heel to make that putting stroke better…

  10. lgcpro

    Jun 4, 2018 at 5:47 pm

    When asked about the release of the putter head, Tiger once said he feels like he is hitting a high hook. His set up shows nearly level shoulders with very little spine tilt away from the target. It is nearly impossible to hit a high hook with a high right shoulder. If he would slide his hips a little more over his left foot, the right shoulder would drop and he might once again feel the easy release he used to have.

    • bill

      Jun 4, 2018 at 11:08 pm

      Does that mean he uses his whole body for putting? If so, I wonder why since the putter head only moves back say 6 – 8 inches and the hands only 4 – 5 inches (think pendulum). What’s the big problem moving your hands over such a small distance?

  11. steve

    Jun 4, 2018 at 4:15 pm

    “…Chamblee pointed out the 14-time major champion is far more upright than he was earlier in his career.”
    Tiger’s neck and head are crooked over because of excessive iPhone use checking emails… like everybody else.

    • bill

      Jun 4, 2018 at 11:09 pm

      LOL …. so so true… hunchback people …!

  12. Matt Baker

    Jun 4, 2018 at 3:44 pm

    Tiger has more talent at the bottom of his toilet in the morning than Brandel has in his entire diminutive body. Golf is the only sport where analysts, who had mediocre careers at best, critique the greatest to play the game. Like a having a career .200 hitter who spent 10 years on the bench ripping Derek Jeter every time he struck out.

    • The Dude

      Jun 5, 2018 at 7:30 am

      fail….. So someone has to have Tigers ability in order to provide true insight?……welcome to golf….enjoy 🙂

  13. Billey Cep

    Jun 4, 2018 at 3:00 pm

    Brandel, he is not making putts because he has much shaft lean. DUHHHH

  14. NolanMBA

    Jun 4, 2018 at 2:09 pm

    Full disclosure I am a Dave Stockton disciple. With that said, I cringe hearing people talk about putting technique/posture/etc. Read the green, pick a line and roll the rock.

  15. Rev G

    Jun 4, 2018 at 1:27 pm

    The differences are very small, if any, in the two pictures. Could just be the camera angle or the slope of the two different greens. It’s really hard to tell, if he’s “in his heels” on the older picture because of the baggy pants. Doesn’t Brandell have something else to talk about other than minor things about Tiger Woods and his swing. Hasn’t he been embarassed enough by all of his posturing on Woods full swing. Putting is the most difficult thing to get a consistent feel back for after a layoff. Tiger has been a great putter at times in the past and you can’t expect that to “not” return, just to get attention on the golf channel. I’m not a huge Tiger fan, but I do hate the way Brandel and Golf Channel are overly obsessed with him. Let the guy play. And let the real golf fans enjoy the great golf being played by hundreds of pro golfers out there.

  16. Jackson Galaxy

    Jun 4, 2018 at 1:27 pm

    Could be a very slight difference where his chin is a little higher, but not much. His stroke looks very good. It’s just setup lines and reads.

  17. Dave

    Jun 4, 2018 at 12:43 pm

    His putting had been pretty good until this week. So I guess Chamblee thinks Tiger had another surgery between his last start and this one. Chamblee…. what a dimwit!

    • Brian

      Jun 4, 2018 at 6:43 pm

      He’s had 2 of his worst all-time putting events in 2 of his last 3 events. So it’s obviously worth dissecting

  18. Scott Feldmiller

    Jun 4, 2018 at 12:18 pm

    Is it possible that his back issues prevent him from bending over the ball as much as he used to? Several golfers with back issues including Fred Couples have changed their putting to account for their bad backs and some have to limit their practice because of the strain during putting.

  19. Largechris

    Jun 4, 2018 at 12:15 pm

    Eyeline is going to be very difficult to tell from tv broadcasts, even still pictures can be deceptive if there is a bit of slope. However I think Bryson is completely right that he looks to be back on his heels more than other players, and is more upright. Surprised he doesn’t get a bit closer over the ball, the lower your head is the easier it is to pick out the breaks and the speed.

  20. Bob Denby

    Jun 4, 2018 at 12:10 pm

    On Tiger’s putting: Chamblee’s comment may be partly relevant but there have been too many other successful putting postures, over time, for this to be THEE problem! (Chamblee doesn’t recognize that there may be more than one needle in the haystack!)

    • The Dude

      Jun 5, 2018 at 7:33 am

      of course there is likely to be more than “one needle in the haystack”, …..but at some point..ya gotta pick one to discuss….

  21. larrybud

    Jun 4, 2018 at 12:05 pm

    I think both camera angles suck to determine where his eyeline is. Rookie mistake by Chamblee.

    • jimmy

      Jun 6, 2018 at 11:57 am

      Finally someone with some sense. Camera angles are bad. But even so let’s compare apples to apples. DRAW your lines let us see

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Lexi Thompson violates Rules of Golf at Indy Women in Tech Championship

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During the third round of the Indy Women in Tech Championship, Lexi Thompson unknowingly ran afoul of the Rules of Golf.

Preferred lies–AKA lift, clean, and place–were in effect at soggy Brickyard Crossing. Thompson hit her drive at the par-5 10th hole wide right. It settled in the sixth fairway. Believing she was allowed to lift and clean any ball in the fairway, Thompson began to do so.

The rule, of course, only applies to balls that settle in one’s own fairway. Fortunately for Thompson, an official saw what was happening and stepped in to administer a penalty.

“Thankfully, Marty [the official] intervened before she hit her next shot,” Golf Channel’s Kay Cockerill reported. “Otherwise, she would have been hitting from the wrong spot, and it would have been a two-shot penalty. So, in a sense, it saved her a shot.”

The LPGA issued this statement.

“While playing the third round of the 2018 Indy Women in Tech Championship, Lexi Thompson incurred a one-stroke penalty for breach of the preferred lies local Rule (Appendix IA Part 3b Course Conditions).”

“The Committee adopted the preferred lies local Rule due to the turf conditions of the golf course after receiving over an inch of rain. The LPGA, under the local Rule, restricts the player from preferring her lie when her ball lies in a closely-mown area of a hole other than the one being played.”

“During the play of hole #10, Thompson’s tee shot came to rest in the fairway of hole #6. As Thompson’s ball lay on the fairway of hole #6, she was not entitled to prefer her lie.”

“She preferred her lie in breach of the local Rule but prior to playing her stroke from a wrong place (Rule 20-7), she was questioned by a Rules official regarding her actions. As she had not played her stroke from the preferred spot, she did not receive the general penalty of two-strokes under the local Rule. However, she did incur a one-stroke penalty under Rule 18-2 for lifting her ball at rest without authority.”

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Joe LaCava, Tiger Woods’ caddie, paid a heckler $25 to leave at the WGC-Bridgestone

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While Steve Williams would likely have taken a different route, Tiger Woods’ current caddie admitted to bribing a fan to leave his boss alone.

LaCava called into ESPN’s “Golic and Wingo” and told a tale of paying of a heckler at the WGC-Bridgestone Invitational.

LaCava said the man heckled Woods throughout his final round at the Bridgestone, and on the 14th hole, LaCava interceded, telling the man to check out action elsewhere on the course. Interestingly/absurdly, the man said he would be happy to, provided LaCava reimburse him for his ticket.

Here’s the full transcript c/o ESPN.

Mike Golic: “Did you have any issues with the people at Bellerive?”

Joe LaCava: “Not at all, and you hit it right on the head, 99 percent of the guys and women are behind Tiger, pushing for Tiger. They want to see good golf in general they’re not anti-the-other-guys, but they’re certainly rooting for Tiger more so than the other guys. But, funny you guys ask that question. The week before in Akron, I had a little incident with a guy who was harassing my guy on the 14th hole at Akron the last day outside the ropes, roughening him up pretty good. And I said, hey listen bud, why do you gotta go there? Everyone’s having a good time, everyone’s pulling for Tiger. You don’t like the guy that’s one thing, but you don’t to be yelling at my guy, screaming negative stuff like that. And I said at the end of the day, if you affect him, his performance, it effects my bottomline. So he calls me a couple names and I go back and forth with the guy, and I say why don’t you just leave. And he says well if you give me $25 for the ticket that I bought today I’ll leave. And I said here you go, here’s $25.”

Mike: “Did he leave?”

Joe: “So I whip out $25 and he starts to go down the 14th fairway toward the green. I say look pal $25 is $25 you gotta head the other way. So he starts to head the other way, he goes 20 yards down the line, then he calls me a certain other, a swear word. So I run 20 yards back the other way and I’m going face to face with this guy. And all the sudden Tiger’s looking for a yardage, and I’m in it with this guy 20 yards down the line. So some cop has to come in, push this guy outta the way, and take him outta the tournament.

Mike: “So what did Tiger say when you came back to give him the yardage?”

Joe: “Well that’s a great question. We were so far to the right of the trees, and he was on his third shot believe it or not, we were still 150 yards away from the green, and he didn’t really know what happened. He heard the commotion, he heard the guy yelling at him, so we talked about it after the fact, but he didn’t really know how it developed. And he says I was wondering what happened, and he goes normally it wouldn’t that long to get a yardage. I said well a little incident down the road. He didn’t have a problem with it, and actually I gotta standing ovation for kicking the guy outta there.

Security probably should have happened sooner when LaCava was $25 richer.

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A brief cart ride (by his caddie) has big implications for Akshay Bhatia at the U.S. Amateur

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16-year-old Akshay Bhatia may be looking for a new caddie for his next event. The rising star of amateur golf was penalized when his caddie accepted a ride on a golf cart at the 14th hole during the round of 64 at the U.S. Amateur.

Bhatia would go on to lose to Bradford Tilley.

The match was all square at the 14th. Chris Darnell, Bhatia’s caddie, made a pit stop at the bathroom after Bhatia hit his approach. While the player walked to the green, Darnell was approached by what he believed was a USGA official driving a golf cart.

“The gentleman was wearing a USGA pullover,” Darnell said afterward. “I asked if I could get a ride to the green to keep up pace, and he said yes. So I hopped on the back, got up to the green, hopped off and thought nothing of it.”

Of course, neither players nor caddies can ride on any form of transportation during the round unless authorized, per the Rules of Golf. Bhatia was penalized accordingly and lost the hole after a (real) official spotted the infraction.

Particularly frustrating for the golfer was the fact that he had birdied the par-5 and believed he was going 1 up on his opponent, only to find out they were all square.

As mentioned, Bhatia would go on to lose in 19 holes.

Adding another layer to this drama, Darnell said Tilley’s caddie had done the same thing earlier in the match.

“I had already seen the other caddie in our group do it on the ninth hole,” Darnell said. “Same thing – USGA pullover, drove him from the bathroom up to the fairway – so I assumed it was fine. I didn’t point it out at the time because everything seemed kosher. He had the USGA stuff on, and I didn’t think anything of it.”

What are the chances Tilley or his caddie admit to the infraction now? And who is this mystery idiot who loves the USGA enough to drape himself in their garb but is daft enough to blatantly break a straightforward rule of competition?

Dumb rule? Certainly in this sense. But so many situations exist in amateur play that you can understand why the USGA would level a prohibition on transportation. Still, shouldn’t there be some room for interpretation? It’s difficult to argue Bhatia himself gained any advantage…

What do you think, GolfWRX members?

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