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Brandel Chamblee has a theory about Tiger’s poor putting. What do you think?

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Tiger Woods finished six shots behind Bryson DeChambeau at Jack’s Place. With a cooperative putter, the story would have been much different.

Woods was first in several ball-striking categories at Muirfield Village including Strokes Gained: Tee to Green (+14.157); Strokes Gained: Approach the Green (+11.164). But he was second to last in Strokes Gained: Putting (-7.695), according to Ben Everill of PGATour.com.

“If I just putt normally, I probably would be right there with those guys and up there in the last couple of groups,” Woods said. “I just need to hit better putts. This week I didn’t feel comfortable with my lines and my feel was a little bit off. Consequently I missed a bunch of putts.”

Brandel Chamblee had an interesting take on Golf Channel regarding Woods’ setup.

Comparing Woods’ setup over his trademark Scotty Cameron Newport 2, Chamblee pointed out the 14-time major champion is far more upright than he was earlier in his career. Further, Chamblee adds Woods’ weight appears to be much more in his heels, which he believes would alter the arc of Woods’ putting stroke.

Karen Stupples, for her part, pointed to Woods’ eyeline over the ball, suggesting that when he has putted his best, it has been with his eyes directly over the ball–which was not the case at the Memorial.

However, Chamblee is right to suggest that the altered setup may have to do with Woods’ surgically fused back.

What do you think about Chamblee’s take, GolfWRX members? What did you see in Tiger’s work on the green at Muirfield VIllage? Mere variance? Cause for concern?

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  1. Jack

    Jun 6, 2018 at 5:49 pm

    I held a ruler up to the screen from the eyes down… can’t figure out how they think his eyes are much different. They look to be the same in relation to the ball to me. ???

  2. Nigel

    Jun 6, 2018 at 1:04 pm

    I think it’s which side he’s dressed on. He used to dress left but no he dresses right and that prevents him from properly transferring his weight and plumb bobbing with his johnson properly.

  3. painter33

    Jun 6, 2018 at 12:36 pm

    When comparing the two photographs (and allowing for a slightly different angles), the difference in his setup is where his hands are in relation to his shoulders. The older images shows his hands inside a line dropped from his shoulder whereas in the newer images his hands are to the outside of that line, effectively making him reach a bit and bringing his hands and forearms into the stroke instead of a shoulder “rock” that eliminates the hands and forearms. That also accounts for where his eyes are to the ball and how upright he is. A lumbar fusion certainly could be the culprit – I’ve had three lumbar fusions and the most taxing position is decidedly putting. It’s where I get tired and a little sore when practicing.

  4. Wiger Toods

    Jun 6, 2018 at 3:27 am

    I don’t get it… reads are the art… Chamblee think it isn’t going where it’s started??

    A putt is always a targeted, finesse stroke. Always a feel. Takes time. Look how far back he is in such a short time! It’ll return. Patience isn’t a media trait.

  5. Mo

    Jun 5, 2018 at 4:09 pm

    Im going to say this is oart of the game where Stevie is missed the most.

  6. Todd Dugan

    Jun 5, 2018 at 1:44 pm

    When Tiger refers to his “normal” putting, he means that he makes everything. He’s the greatest putter of all time. Its weird…he never gets credit for it, but as soon as he’s not making everything, people say, “what’s wrong with his putting?” I’d love to see how he ranked in strokes gained putting for his wins. I’m sure it’d be mostly first.

  7. David Ey

    Jun 5, 2018 at 12:33 am

    • longer shirt sleeves
    • relaxed fit pants
    • glove in his back-right pocket

    Truly only Tiger knows.
    That being said, he’s going through what seems to be very strict mechanics making him look rigid over putts, and unable to feel the line to sink it. I think he just sticks to what he’s doing until it comes around.

  8. Rrrr

    Jun 4, 2018 at 9:04 pm

    Nope.
    Too many painkillers and corticosteroids make your body and, your fingers, numb. It’s never the same. You can bash the ball with power, but the finesse feel goes away…….. and aging doesn’t help

    • bill

      Jun 4, 2018 at 11:04 pm

      “..finesse feel..” …. what is that? Is it something kinesthetic… or is is something to do with emotional feelings… or both?

      • Man

        Jun 6, 2018 at 1:32 am

        Why don’t you ask Chambles, he would know

        • Bruce

          Jun 6, 2018 at 11:26 am

          Chambles don’t know squat!!!!!!! If he’s so great how come he’s not out there playing!!!!!!! His record is not as great as TIGER’s!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  9. Jay

    Jun 4, 2018 at 9:01 pm

    Mr. Chamblee, maybe tiger needs to lift his left heel to make that putting stroke better…

  10. lgcpro

    Jun 4, 2018 at 5:47 pm

    When asked about the release of the putter head, Tiger once said he feels like he is hitting a high hook. His set up shows nearly level shoulders with very little spine tilt away from the target. It is nearly impossible to hit a high hook with a high right shoulder. If he would slide his hips a little more over his left foot, the right shoulder would drop and he might once again feel the easy release he used to have.

    • bill

      Jun 4, 2018 at 11:08 pm

      Does that mean he uses his whole body for putting? If so, I wonder why since the putter head only moves back say 6 – 8 inches and the hands only 4 – 5 inches (think pendulum). What’s the big problem moving your hands over such a small distance?

  11. steve

    Jun 4, 2018 at 4:15 pm

    “…Chamblee pointed out the 14-time major champion is far more upright than he was earlier in his career.”
    Tiger’s neck and head are crooked over because of excessive iPhone use checking emails… like everybody else.

    • bill

      Jun 4, 2018 at 11:09 pm

      LOL …. so so true… hunchback people …!

  12. Matt Baker

    Jun 4, 2018 at 3:44 pm

    Tiger has more talent at the bottom of his toilet in the morning than Brandel has in his entire diminutive body. Golf is the only sport where analysts, who had mediocre careers at best, critique the greatest to play the game. Like a having a career .200 hitter who spent 10 years on the bench ripping Derek Jeter every time he struck out.

    • The Dude

      Jun 5, 2018 at 7:30 am

      fail….. So someone has to have Tigers ability in order to provide true insight?……welcome to golf….enjoy 🙂

  13. Billey Cep

    Jun 4, 2018 at 3:00 pm

    Brandel, he is not making putts because he has much shaft lean. DUHHHH

  14. NolanMBA

    Jun 4, 2018 at 2:09 pm

    Full disclosure I am a Dave Stockton disciple. With that said, I cringe hearing people talk about putting technique/posture/etc. Read the green, pick a line and roll the rock.

  15. Rev G

    Jun 4, 2018 at 1:27 pm

    The differences are very small, if any, in the two pictures. Could just be the camera angle or the slope of the two different greens. It’s really hard to tell, if he’s “in his heels” on the older picture because of the baggy pants. Doesn’t Brandell have something else to talk about other than minor things about Tiger Woods and his swing. Hasn’t he been embarassed enough by all of his posturing on Woods full swing. Putting is the most difficult thing to get a consistent feel back for after a layoff. Tiger has been a great putter at times in the past and you can’t expect that to “not” return, just to get attention on the golf channel. I’m not a huge Tiger fan, but I do hate the way Brandel and Golf Channel are overly obsessed with him. Let the guy play. And let the real golf fans enjoy the great golf being played by hundreds of pro golfers out there.

  16. Jackson Galaxy

    Jun 4, 2018 at 1:27 pm

    Could be a very slight difference where his chin is a little higher, but not much. His stroke looks very good. It’s just setup lines and reads.

  17. Dave

    Jun 4, 2018 at 12:43 pm

    His putting had been pretty good until this week. So I guess Chamblee thinks Tiger had another surgery between his last start and this one. Chamblee…. what a dimwit!

    • Brian

      Jun 4, 2018 at 6:43 pm

      He’s had 2 of his worst all-time putting events in 2 of his last 3 events. So it’s obviously worth dissecting

  18. Scott Feldmiller

    Jun 4, 2018 at 12:18 pm

    Is it possible that his back issues prevent him from bending over the ball as much as he used to? Several golfers with back issues including Fred Couples have changed their putting to account for their bad backs and some have to limit their practice because of the strain during putting.

  19. Largechris

    Jun 4, 2018 at 12:15 pm

    Eyeline is going to be very difficult to tell from tv broadcasts, even still pictures can be deceptive if there is a bit of slope. However I think Bryson is completely right that he looks to be back on his heels more than other players, and is more upright. Surprised he doesn’t get a bit closer over the ball, the lower your head is the easier it is to pick out the breaks and the speed.

  20. Bob Denby

    Jun 4, 2018 at 12:10 pm

    On Tiger’s putting: Chamblee’s comment may be partly relevant but there have been too many other successful putting postures, over time, for this to be THEE problem! (Chamblee doesn’t recognize that there may be more than one needle in the haystack!)

    • The Dude

      Jun 5, 2018 at 7:33 am

      of course there is likely to be more than “one needle in the haystack”, …..but at some point..ya gotta pick one to discuss….

  21. larrybud

    Jun 4, 2018 at 12:05 pm

    I think both camera angles suck to determine where his eyeline is. Rookie mistake by Chamblee.

    • jimmy

      Jun 6, 2018 at 11:57 am

      Finally someone with some sense. Camera angles are bad. But even so let’s compare apples to apples. DRAW your lines let us see

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Baba Booey for Life! Does this GolfWRX member have a point?

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Oh boy, here’s a heater. On the subject of Baba Booey-ing at golf tournaments, WRX member Stickner started a thread, writing

“For those that think nois.e while a player hits shouldn’t be allowed, you must also believe that fans should NEVER make noise.

“A player with a large gallery jars a 70 footer for eagle to take the lead. The crowd erupts! This should not be allowed.

“Why you ask? There are other golfers well within earshot of the noise. This could disrupt their game. Why does the nearby player you can see deserve the “courtesy of quiet” but the one 400 yards away that you can’t see doesn’t?

“We have all seen players back off because the crowd erupted on another hole. What happens when that eruption happens in the backswing right before the player is about to transition to the downswing? Those boisterous hooligans need to keep their traps shut as this is a gentleman’s game right?

“Being quiet while someone plays golf is silly. My guess is that the elitist snobs that played this game a century ago needed a scapegoat when hitting a bad shot and noise became their scapegoat.”

He wraps his rant in, well, the most appropriate way possible: “BABA BOOEY FOR LIFE B&^%HES!”

Now, this flies in the face of the “isolated noise during the golf swing is extremely distracting” argument that is popularly leveled in defense of silence. But let’s see what GolfWRX members think about Stickner’s comments.

MtlJeff says

“While i am not in favor of intentionally yelling during a swing, your point is an interesting one. I hadn’t really thought of it like that, the loud roars often get overlooked when it comes to the “distracting noise” narrative.”

Eagle1997 says

“Planned vs. Spontaneous. Jabroni Factor only applies to one.”

Blackngold_blood says

“I am fine with cheering for a great shot or groaning for a bad one. My problem with…bababooey and mashed potatoes is the fact that it has nothing to do with GOLF! All the person is doing is screaming “Look at me, I need attention!” Or how about the even less classy “How’s your ankle” that was shouted at Finau after he hit his last approach to 18. I get the point that these are professional athletes and golf is becoming more mainstream but the immature comments need to stop.”

Naptime says

“Background noises and distant noises can be perceived as while noise. If you play next to a highway you adapt and become less aware of it. But if a trucker blasts a horn in your swing it would startle and at least for me would probably result in a hot grounder to third base. Yelling Baba Booey or any other lame comment after a swing doesn’t startle the swinger, just make the shouter sound like a doofus who can’t hold his alcohol.”

What do you think, GolfWRX members? Does Stickner have a point? Should the rules of the wider sports world apply to golf, or does golf fandom require a particular understanding of when to be quiet and when to cheer?

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Both Rory McIlroy and Jordan Spieth laughed at Phil Mickelson’s 13th hole antics

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The image of 48-year-old Phil Mickelson jogging after his golf ball on the 13th green at Shinnecock, Saturday, was bizarrely comedic. Even if you condemn Mickelson in the strongest of terms, taken on its face, the scene is a silly one.

That said, it’s interesting that two of the biggest names in the game had the same response: laughter.

Speaking before the Travelers Championship, Rory McIlroy said

“I saw what happened…and honestly, I laughed. I felt there was a massive overreaction to it. Knowing Phil, he knew what he was doing, and as a player who has been in that head space before in a tournament, I can see it happening.”

Jordan Spieth voiced similar sentiments earlier in the week

“I laughed, I thought it was really funny…Phil knows the rules…There was a chance it was going to go back behind the bunker and he’s got to chip back, or he was going to play off the green anyways, so he was potentially saving himself a shot. So if that was the intent, then what’s the harm in that? He’s playing the best score he can.”

There are a couple of widely different perspectives (and plenty in-between) here.

One: Thank goodness Spieth and McIlroy aren’t uptight dogmatists when it comes to the rules, and they appreciate the humor in an absurd situation.

Two: Spieth and McIlroy, as significant figures in the game, ought to stand up for the integrity of the rules of golf, condemning Mickelson’s behavior…and perhaps question whether disqualification was in order (as Jason Day and other pros have done).

Which camp you find yourself in likely aligns with how you view the Mickelson incident: A humorous and well-deserved middle finger to the USGA or a reprehensible act for which Mickelson was not sufficiently punished?

Beneath Mickelson’s behavior and the responses of McIlroy and Spieth is the ever-growing rift between the USGA and PGA Tour players–as well as a level of annoyance with/disdain for the organization’s Rules of Golf.

Remembering how Mickelson spearheaded the overhaul of the PGA of America-run U.S. Ryder Cup team and its procedures when he called out captain Tom Watson in 2014, it was the same sort of situation: “Is this calculated, or has he lost his mind?” everyone seemed to be asking.

In the wake of those remarks, players rallied behind the veteran, and he assumed a leadership position in the reform effort. Whether we see something similar with respect to the pros and the USGA/U.S. Open, it certainly looks like the political will for change is there among Tour players, as McIlroy and Spieth’s remarks suggest.

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In other Phil Mickelson news…robot-delivered food

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Not an Onion story; real thing that is actually happening here. Phil Mickelson and his manager/business partner, Steve Loy have signed a deal with Generation NEXT Franchise Brands, Inc. and its flagship subsidiary, Reis & Irvy’s, to open 30 yogurt locations in San Diego.

We’ll just quote directly from the press release, because, who can paraphrase language like this?

“Reis & Irvy’s-branded signature robot characters of the same name can dispense servings of frozen yogurt, ice cream, gelatos and sorbet topped with a selection of six delicious toppings in under 60 seconds. With self-checkout touch screen ordering and payment options, video animation, music and delicious frozen dessert provided exclusively by Dannon, robot vendors meet consumer demand for convenience, entertainment and a superior quality product.”

Mickelson and Loy are reportedly keen to challenge the status quo in food retail.

“I’m absolutely thrilled to be part of such transformative industry change,” says Mickelson. “I’ve pushed boundaries my whole career and that mindset carries over into the business world. The energy and passion from the Generation NEXT team to both deliver a quality product and disrupt food retail is exciting.”

Reis & Irvy’s has awarded $130 million in franchise and licensing contracts since its launch in 2016.

Dress shirts on course. Robo froyo. What will Phil do next, indeed.

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