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LIV Golf’s Lee Westwood told to ‘take his cake and enjoy it in the corner’ by fellow pro in latest Twitter spat

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Eddie Pepperell has never shied away from social media.

From tweets about his play, his pets, wine, and his play again, the 31-year-old loves to “play games” with his fellow professionals, and the LIV/PGA/DP World Tour situation has provided an awful lot of opportunity.

Pepperell hasn’t been happy about much of what LIV has done to the DP World Tour, and in particular to the likes of Lee Westwood, who continues to use social media to protest against his former allies.

Replying to a Twitter post by @flushingitgolf surrounding the new PGA Tour changes and Jon Rahm’s reaction, Westwood referred to the as-yet-justified alliance between the PGA and DP Tours, sarcastically stating that, “I’m sure this will be covered in the ‘strategic alliance’ Jon.”

That was enough for Pepperell.

Westwood then enquired:

Pepperell answered:

Having been extremely vociferous in his defense of moving to LIV, Westwood, 19-times a major top-10 finisher, again made his opinion clear:

Reaction from followers was very mixed.

Ex-pro and golf coach, Darren Timms, questioned the attack on Westy:

“The room is interested in his thoughts an opinion (or they wouldn’t follow him), don’t have to agree to be interested. He’s also bang on the money regarding the DP, it’s been shafted and people need to speak up!”

On the other side, read this from a disgruntled golf fan:

“Golf used to be enjoyable for the viewers (it apparently never has for players). The answer seems to make it suck now for players and viewers. This makes me sad.”

However, best to leave it to Pepperell to sum up his feeling:

“I haven’t agreed with everything Keith has done, hence why I resigned from the players committee in 2019. But in the face of difficult commercial conditions for the Tour, I think he’s done a good job, especially through the pandemic when many other Tours barely played at all.”

The merry-go-round continues, with absolutely no evidence that it is stopping any time soon.

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  1. Mike 58

    Aug 29, 2022 at 4:33 pm

    I know times have changed… but wasn’t it enough for us just to watch golf and be entertained by the shotmaking and charisma of talented players for our entertainment?
    The only thing you heard was if a player ( eg Faldo ) had a fallout with a journalist and that was hardly front page news.
    20-40 yrs years ago was a golden age when scores got lower and players talked with their scoring, not keyboard warrior stuff.
    Golf has traditionally set the highest standards in sportsmanship on and off the course… just an outdated reminder.

  2. BobbyteeitUp

    Aug 29, 2022 at 2:24 pm

    Westy is 100% correct….PGA Tour raped Aussie & Euro Tours till there is barely anything left. Then they mandate entry quotas in order to remain on Tour. Good for you Westy, tell Eddie he can kiss your “man dates.”

    • larrybud

      Aug 31, 2022 at 12:32 pm

      He didn’t seem to have a problem playing on the pga tour while he was so disgusted by all of it.

    • DatesToTheFace

      Sep 2, 2022 at 2:26 am

      Aww, PGA took all our players away and then made us follow a bunch of rules so can play for literally millions of dollars every week, big frowney face. Aren’t professional sports a zero sum game?! You have the same sympathy for the USFL, ABA, IBL, NFL Europe, or the dozen of other professional sports leagues that were eaten by the larger fish? I’m so sick of hearing the “PGA has pillaged our village” argument/justification for leaving and the idiots that buy into this line of thought.

    • geohogan

      Sep 2, 2022 at 1:36 pm

      What assurance do Liv players have of “to remain” on LIV tour?

      54 hole, no cut corporate outings…with 19 players “cut” to make room, after three events, for new “blood”, for MBS.

  3. VC

    Aug 29, 2022 at 2:14 pm

    Eddie who?

  4. Daddy dave

    Aug 29, 2022 at 2:07 pm

    Pep just wishes they offered him the dough. Westwood has had a career… pep start winning they spout off. Either way who gives a [email protected] what Westwood does

  5. jgpl001

    Aug 29, 2022 at 9:45 am

    The European Tour, Australian Tour, DPWT and the PGA Tour were all very beneficial to LW and his family for the past 25 years, they made him what he was, but the the important word now is “was”
    Let him enjoy exhibition, non-competitive golf in his twilight years…along with the other nobody’s

  6. Bob

    Aug 29, 2022 at 9:38 am

    Whatever helps Lee not feel like a slag for Saudi blood paper.

    • VC

      Aug 29, 2022 at 2:26 pm

      You mean the paper you pay for gas and oil products? That paper? Products like Soap, perfumes, deodorant (well maybe not those 3 for you), lipstick, hair coloring, panty hose, shaving cream (but probably those 4),Food preservatives, insect repellents, linoleum, most of your plastic items.

      • Curt

        Aug 29, 2022 at 3:17 pm

        Only because we have no choice.

        • Mo

          Aug 29, 2022 at 10:34 pm

          Really? America, the number 1 oil producer in the world “has no choice”. Give me a break!

        • VC

          Aug 31, 2022 at 2:42 am

          Lol, very dumb statement.

      • Krooks Boekpa

        Aug 30, 2022 at 1:18 am

        Cheap and reliable energy probably shouldn’t be compared to golf and entertainment.

        Unfortunately America’s decision not to use its own energy is political, not practical.

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‘What’s going on?’ – Justin Thomas left frustrated with two officials over ruling at Hero

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During Thursday’s first round of the Hero World Challenge, Justin Thomas called for a rules official and subsequently, a second opinion, on the par-5 9th at Albany Golf Club.

The players were playing lift-clean-and-place, and Thomas’ ball came to rest about 5o yards short of the green in an area where it was difficult to identify if the ball was sitting in the fairway or the rough. The ball had gathered some mud, so if the rules official had decided that his ball was in fact in the rough, he would have to hit a pretty difficult shot given the condition on his golf ball.

“Basically, what’s going on?” Thomas asked the official.

The official told Thomas that the change of color in the grass was indicative of the change of fairway to rough, and therefore he would have to hit his ball as it lied. Thomas argued that the grass was cut to the same length in both spots, therefore the color didn’t matter.

“But you see, what I’m saying, this is also beat down from the carts, but look at how much longer this is than this,” he said before walking over to the thicker grass. “Like see, this is the same height [where his ball was and the apparent fairway.] I totally see it’s down grain and it’s a totally different color, but … the change of the length of grass is just what kind of confused me.”

After relief was denied by the official, “JT” called for a second opinion. While waiting for another official to show up, Thomas was heard saying to his caddie Jim “Bones” Mackay, ““It’s the same exact length, this is not rough.”

When the second rules official came over, he said: “I can see the cutline right here,” and pointed to the different shades of grass that the other official mentioned.

Thomas accepted the decision.

Interestingly, announcer Paul Azinger shared his opinion that the second rules official almost never will disagree with the first rules official’s ruling.

“That second opinion almost never works,” Azinger said to Dan Hicks during the broadcast.

“Really?” Hicks asked.

“Never,” Azinger said. “Very rarely will an official go against another official.”

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Data shows how much more difficult greens become as the day progresses

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For many a golf bettor, betting on the first round leader of any tournament revolves around the early starters.

Even a cursory look at this week’s Australian Open shows the morning wave averaging 1.73 shots better than the afternoon players, resulting in 18 early starters finishing in the top-10 by the end of the day, including current leader David Micheluzzi.

However, over on the South African Open, the roles are reversed, with current leader Thirston Lawrence taking up one of 15 places on the front page of leaderboard for the late starters, who shot around half-a-shot less than the morning groups.

Naturally, there are many factors – wind, temperature, dew, grass-types and, potentially, overall quality of the groupings, but these are variables that can change from day to day.

Step in Lou Stagner, data lead of Arccos Golf and all-round numbers guru.

Stagner does not deal in emotion or factors that cannot be measured. It’s facts, figures and that’s your lot!

He will tell you that from the fairway, 80-yards from the pin, professionals simply don’t get as close as many believe:

On Wednesday, the man who once built a Lego model of Augusta #12, tweeted a table showing the variance in putts made by PGA Tour members under morning and afternoon conditions.

Taking stats over 17 years, the table shows an advantage to the early starters, not by much, but enough to consider.

There are plenty of places to take the stats, with a few respondents asking for a table on grass types through the day – Bent v Bermuda v POA – and that will probably turn up on Stanger’s twitter feed soon.

Of course, on a Sunday, later starters have the pressure of trying to win a tournament, which is why we tend to see flashy rounds from those a few off the pace on Payday, but it is enough to consider when trying to get that illusive three-figure first (or second) round leader.

Either way, two-time major champion, and regular tweeter Justin Thomas, decided this was his chance to get in an early excuse when he’s off late in the day.

Make of what you will. Perhaps the stats will one day include how many of these are for par saves against birdie putts, or is that too much?

Either way, Stagner continues to bombard us with stats that delight and entertain, and that can be no bad thing. Unless you are a buddy of Lou’s…

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Cam Smith fumes at ‘pretty s****y’ opening round at Australian Open

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After an incredible week at the Fortinet Australian PGA Championship, Cameron Smith is off to a rough start at the Australian Open. The Champion Golfer of the Year struggled to hit fairways all day long and finished his round at +1 which is eight shots back of first-round leader David Micheluzzi (-7).

Smith, who received a massive ovation from the crowd, was extremely displeased, calling his play “pretty shitty” as he went from his post-round press conference to the practice range. The 29-year-old also said it was “as bad as I’ve played in a long time”.

“I don’t think it was a mixed bag, I think it was all rubbish to be honest,”

“Maybe some delayed tiredness, maybe. I did feel a little bit foggy out there at times, but it’s not really an excuse, it’s my job to do all that stuff.”

Despite the uninspiring round, the world number three still feels as if he can get back into the event and contend.

“It’s not like I don’t know how to play golf, it was just a bit of a bad day.”

“I’ve just got a few things to clean up, I think. Like I said last week [at the Australian PGA Championship], I felt as though the golf got better every day.”

The Aussie is incredible at recovery shots and finding his way out of trouble. But if he wants to be the first player to win the Australian PGA and Australian Open in the same season since 2011, he needs to start putting the ball in the fairway.

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