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Hank Haney: ‘This whole hit the fairway thing is a bunch of baloney, and it always has been’; blasts golf media ‘idiots’

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Hank Haney took to his podcast this week to share his strong views on the importance of distance in the game, while also slamming golf media ‘idiots’ who questioned him over Tiger’s accuracy with the driver during their time together.

The 65-year-old claimed that “if you can’t hit the long ball, the game has passed you by”, and on his show cited Henrik Stenson as an example as to why.

Haney explained how the Swede hits many fairways because he often takes 3-wood, and broke down the numbers to illustrate why the concept that accuracy off the tee is important is ‘a bunch of baloney’.

“In 2020, he (Stenson) was 5th in accuracy off the tee, but yet he was 163rd in strokes gained off the tee. The advantage you get from driving comes from distance. This is why Rory is up there at the top, DJ is up there at the top and DeChambeau was number one last year.

This whole hit the fairway thing is a bunch of baloney, and it always has been.”

Haney then went back to his successful period coaching Tiger Woods and took aim at those who at the time criticised Tiger’s driving – with some scathing remarks directed towards those in the media.

“I remember when I was coaching Tiger, from 2004 to 2010, and those absolute idiots that follow golf that are the media. This is like the ‘fake news’.

The golf media idiots who don’t know anything about the game and they used to ask me all the time about Tiger’s driving accuracy, and I’m like ‘it doesn’t matter, it’s a meaningless statistic’. As long as you keep it in play and miss it in the right spot and hit a few key fairways, that’s all you have to do.”

Haney then summed up his thoughts on what the goal should be when driving the ball: “You want distance and you want to be able to find your ball. If you can do that, you’re going to do good.”

Check out the audio from the Hank Haney podcast below.

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  1. Mike

    Nov 5, 2020 at 11:44 am

    It’s funny how Hank Haney is trying to create some revisionist history. When he was actually coaching tiger he publicly stated that one of their goals was for tiger to hit more fairways. Before he was fired from Sirius satellite radio I’ve heard him on many occasions talk about some of the things they would do to get tiger to be more accurate off the tee including putting the golf club in the palm of his left hand which Hank said allowed him to spin the ball more with the driver and hit more fairways. Now he’s claiming he knew it was all about the long ball all along.

  2. geohogan

    Nov 3, 2020 at 9:37 am

    Too bad Mr Haney seems to know more about hitting the long ball , than how golfers can swing without causing permanent injury.

    The golf gurus’ , “fake” instruction took away Tigers perfect golf swing(2000) and made changes that caused permanent damage to Tigers body… all for the sake of more distance?

  3. Gunter Eisenberg

    Nov 1, 2020 at 9:04 am

    Fact

    2015 Top 5 driving accuracy combined earnings on the PGA Tour = $4.5 Million
    2015 Top 5 driving distance combined earnings on the PGA Tour = $27.5 Million

  4. Tom

    Oct 30, 2020 at 9:58 am

    It’s one thing to make this generalization about elite golfers. Most of us struggle with making decent contact with our shots. The value of “seeing the back of the golf ball” more than makes up for the one, two or even three club advantage the average golfer gains by hitting driver on every tee. Add to this the fact that most of us play courses that have poorly maintained rough, without the benefit of those nicely placed white lines designating those areas deemed unplayable. When we go to the practice range we do not practice hitting shots from poor lies we we encounter in the rough.

    • PSG

      Nov 3, 2020 at 9:19 am

      This has been studied and your comment isn’t true. Read the study by Mark Broadie from Columbia University. An amateur is better with an 8 iron from heavy rough than a 6 iron in the middle of the fairway. By about 1.3 yards on average.

      You can not like it or try to make up stuff to excuse it, but he’s absolutely right. When it comes to score bomb and gauge is by far and away the most efficient way to shoot a good golf score.

      • phizzy

        Nov 15, 2020 at 8:07 pm

        PSG you are correct. I AVERAGE close to 300 yards off the tee and post better scores on holes where I’m 300 plus yards in the rough with 7 iron down rather than hitting a 270 yard mis hit in the fairway with more than 7 iron. FACT.

      • Gunny

        Nov 16, 2020 at 11:08 am

        This is 100% accurate. The ONLY caveat is that if you are out of play. If you can keep it in play (have a legitimate swing at the green, not hitting 3 from the tee, etc) then being in the rough isn’t a problem.

  5. DaveyD

    Oct 30, 2020 at 9:05 am

    For me, it’s all about the shot to the green. I hit long enough where my golfing buddies are hitting their 3, 4, or hybrid and I’m usually hitting a short iron. I’ll never complain about hitting the long ball.

  6. simms

    Oct 30, 2020 at 2:42 am

    just put in the rules a driver face must not have any rebound (COR) at swing speeds up to 150 MPH and the over 300 yard driver will come back within reason…95% of average golfers do not gain an inch with the same drive a long hitter is gaining 15 or more yards. When John Daly was hitting the 300 yard mark (and every one else was under 275) his driver had no advantage in the face and that is the way it should be now.

  7. Large chris

    Oct 29, 2020 at 10:25 am

    The theory of missing in the right place is obviously correct, but Tiger has had a two way driver miss for much of his career including with Haney. Haney even said in his book he wanted Tiger to loft up a bit with the driver to reduce his misses.

    • Travis

      Oct 29, 2020 at 12:59 pm

      Don’t mistake “missing in the right place” for missing one way every single time. What Haney means by missing in the “right place” is that your miss isn’t going to cost you a stroke from going OB or in the water. It doesn’t matter if you miss left and right, you just need to keep it in play enough so you can advance the 2nd shot.

      • geohogan

        Nov 5, 2020 at 9:08 pm

        Missing in the “right place” isnt a miss.
        In past years, it was called course management.

        When you intend to hit a 320 yard drive down the right side and MISS
        it to the left side, that is a miss. Cant have it both ways, Hankey.

  8. JP

    Oct 29, 2020 at 8:04 am

    100% correct. I’ve yet to meet a golfer that complains about hitting the ball too far. Everyone knows if you miss, miss it in the right spot.

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‘After that, nothing’s ever intimidated me. Ever.’ – The moment that Tiger Woods lost all fear

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Tiger Woods’ fearlessness on the course has always separated him from the rest, but when did Tiger ‘learn’ this trait? Well in a rare interview, Tiger revealed the exact moment.

At 17-years-old Tiger spoke in an ESPN feature, and was asked by an interviewer: “Does anything ever intimidate you?”

It was at this moment that Woods revealed that when he was 11, the now 15-time-major champion was competing in the 11-12 age division at the Junior Worlds for the first time when a competitor drove the opening green. 

“That intimidated the hell out of me” said Woods in the interview. 

In the end, however, Tiger beat the player who he was intimidated by, and it was to be at that point that Woods no longer feared anybody any more. Tiger discussed the incident at depth with father Earl, and revealed to the cameras: “My dad and I had a long talk about it. After that, nothing’s ever intimidated me. Ever.”

With 82 PGA Tour victories and 15 major championships at the age of 44, that fearlessness has been at the core of Woods’ incredible success.

Check out the segment below from the ESPN feature which lasts from 4:21-5:02.

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The Match 3 odds – Curry and Manning the surprise favorites

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The Match 3 gets underway this Friday, and despite Phil Mickelson being the only professional on show, it’s NBA star Steph Curry and former NFL great Peyton Manning that are favored by the bookies.

The lack of trust surrounding Charles Barkley’s game is undoubtedly the reason for that, and he alongside Mickelson will start as 6/5 (+120) underdogs, with the Curry/Manning team priced at 5/6 (-120).

SportsBettingDime.com has also provided a bunch of fun prop bets which you can get involved in for the occasion. Here’s some of the best (with Barkley featuring plenty!)

ODDS TO WIN “THE MATCH”

Mickelson/Barkley: 6/5 (+120)

Curry/Manning 5/6 (-120)

ODDS TO HIT THE LONGEST DRIVE (amateurs only)

Curry: 3/7 (-233)

Manning: 12/5 (+240)

Barkley: 200/1 (+20000)

ODDS ON CHARLES BARKLEY’S FIRST DRIVE

Rough: 2/1 (+200)

Rocks/Trees: 7/3 (+233)

Fairway: 5/2 (+250)

Sand Trap: 12/1 (+1200)

ODDS CHARLES BARKLEY SWINGS & MISSES A SHOT:

4/1 (+400)

ODDS CHARLES BARKLEY HITS A BALL IN THE WATER:

3/1 (+300)

ODDS TO MAKE A HOLE IN ONE

Mickelson: 750/1

Curry: 1800/1

Manning: 2500/1

Barkley: 10000/1

ODDS PLAYER CURSES ON CAMERA

Barkley: 1/2 (-200)

Mickelson: 6/1 (+500)

Curry: 8/1 (+600)

Manning: 15/1 (+1500)

ODDS TO WEAR LONG PANTS

Manning: 3/1 (+300)

Mickelson: 5/4 (+125)

Barkley: 2/3 (-150)

Curry: 1/2 (-200)

ODDS TO WIN HOUSE OF HIGHLIGHTS 10-SHOT INFLUENCER CHALLENGE

MMG 9/5 (+180)

Tristan Jass 2/1 (+200)

Kris London 9/2 (+450)

Jesser 7/1 (+700)

Check out all the markets from SportsBettingDime.com here and follow them on Twitter @SBD

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