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Is the R&A coming for drivers?

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R&A chief Martin Slumbers has issued a stark message which could bring an end to the likes of Bryson DeChambeau’s recent dismantling of golf courses – and it could also spell big changes for manufacturers.

Speaking to the Daily Mail, Slumbers unveiled the areas which the game’s two governing bodies are focusing on to help prevent golf courses being overpowered by today’s professionals, and hinted that significant changes could be on the way for modern driver technology.

“It is too simple just to say change the ball. Way too simple. You can do things with the ball. But it’s the relationship between ball and club which is most important, to me.

 The fundamental change in the golf ball since 1999-2000, with the introduction of ProV1 technology, is the ball spins less. And drivers have been designed so it spins even less, which makes it go further.”

Bryson DeChambeau’s unprecedented length off the tee has been a hot topic of discussion since golf’s restart. While Slumbers hailed the 26-year-old’s “extraordinary” ability to combine that power with accuracy, the R&A chief declared that he would be coming back to the issue to address the current lack of balance between skill and power in the sport.

“Bryson, I’m fascinated by. I’m not sure I can remember another sportsman, in any sport, so fundamentally changing their physical shape. But what is extraordinary is that Bryson isn’t the first one to put on muscle in golf. How he’s able to control the ball, with that extra power, is extraordinary. All credit to him, he’s a true athlete.

But I still come back to the belief that golf is a game of skill. And we believe we need to get this balance of skill and technology right. Once we feel that the industry is stable again, which isn’t going to be tomorrow, because we don’t know what’s going to happen over autumn and winter, we will be coming back to that issue in great seriousness.”

Part one of the R&A and USGA’s Distance Report concluded that the increased gains from the bombers off the tee in the game was “detrimental to the sport”. Per his interview with the Mail, Slumbers reiterated that the desire for a balance between skill and technology would head stage two of the report.

“My view is very much that golf is a game of skill. It’s important to have a balance of skill and technology. We did intend to publish the next stage in March, sending out to manufacturers our specific areas of interest. Specific topics we wanted to evaluate before considering what equipment changes we would – or would not – put in place.

It’s all been put on hold because the world has a lot more to worry about. And we were conscious of the golf industry having the time to recover. But we will bring that topic back – because it does need to be discussed.”

 

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  1. Evan

    Jul 15, 2020 at 4:37 pm

    Reducing the cc on drivers would be interesting – back to say the great big Bertha cc head volume. And, given how much less the ball spins now, narrow up the fairways ~10%-15%. It would be interesting to see who’d benefit with those changes.

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  2. George

    Jul 15, 2020 at 11:37 am

    I agree with a comment earlier! This should have been addressed long ago. That being said, the game needs to go back to old school. Narrower fairways , lined with trees and rough. Shaping shots has disappeared. Definitely need to re-evaluate equipment.

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  3. Brandon

    Jul 15, 2020 at 11:15 am

    Slumbers: “It’s incredible the skill that Bryson has to have to keep the ball accurate at those distances.”

    Also Slumbers: “But golf should be a game of skill”

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  4. Steve H

    Jul 15, 2020 at 10:36 am

    Stop overthinking it. Thick rough, narrow fairways and rock hard greens. Break out the earplugs. The money likes 350 yard drives and 20+ under tourneys. The Tour has a target score for every event and the only thing that changes it is Mother Nature and she doesn’t golf.

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  5. Rich Douglas

    Jul 14, 2020 at 4:13 pm

    Bifurcation is something that has been under discussion for years. It’s not the technology that causes pause, it’s equipment sales.

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  6. jason

    Jul 14, 2020 at 3:57 pm

    After Bryson’s 4th Major, then we can have this absurd and obtuse conversation.

    Also, Lance Armstrong completely changed his body type to much thinner and toned, which is MUCH harder than getting bigger. Plus he had cancer.

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    • Craig

      Jul 14, 2020 at 9:58 pm

      Plus he had every PED known to man in his system.

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      • Jack Nash

        Jul 15, 2020 at 4:25 pm

        Some people just don’t want to remember that part.

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  7. Erik

    Jul 14, 2020 at 3:33 pm

    The issue is not the ball or the club, it is the players. If the problem were the ball and/or the clubs, amateurs would have gained as much as the pros, probably more due to a greater percentage of of center hits being corrected. If you check driving distance numbers, amateurs are up 8 yards from 1996 to 2019. The pros are stronger, more flexible, better coached, and have access to better data. Bryson more than anyone just proved that by adding 40 pounds of muscle adjusting his swing and driver based on trackman data and gaining 23 yards on average.

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    • Craig

      Jul 14, 2020 at 10:01 pm

      Amateurs have gained. Not the high handicappers because they just hit it sideways, but for good players compared to mid 90s distance there is at least 20 yard gain.

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      • Harry Vardon

        Jul 15, 2020 at 4:01 pm

        You have some data to back up your “20 yards” number or is your personal estimate aka mild BS.

        Most of the posters on this website are completely out of touch with the average golfer. You all talk like you are experts and scratch or better. 99% of you are armchair QBs who predict the past and reminisce about the future.

        The only people over powering courses or in danger of doing so are the professionals. Golf has been heading towards bifurcation for a long time. It’s the only way they will save the pro game and satisfy the manufacturers.

        How many of you experts are playing from the back on 7000+ yds courses? Probably just about zero.

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        • Jack Nash

          Jul 15, 2020 at 4:28 pm

          I hit my best drive in ages the other day. 220 yds wind aided. Then again almost 70 yrs old with a new knee one that’s shot, along with a hip. I’m happy to hit it in the fairway.

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  8. Donn Rutkoff

    Jul 14, 2020 at 1:50 pm

    Do club pros see the same distance problem among regular golfers? Club tournaments, USGA Amateurs, NCAA? Are regular distance golfers now permanent losers and only the longos winning at all these other levels? Isn’t this just a Tour level thing? Is it a problem in LPGA?

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    • Craig

      Jul 14, 2020 at 10:05 pm

      Elite amateurs have the same problem. LPGA it is less problem because they can just move back to the mens tees on most course without major course renovation, but they have big gains as well. Driving distance leader is 27 yards longer on LPGA compared to 1995.

      Basically the only people that haven’t experienced gains are those that can’t hit the ball straight, double figure handicappers.

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  9. Larry B

    Jul 14, 2020 at 12:09 pm

    Titleist just showed how to rein in the distance with the dimpleless Pro V1 test, which cut distance by 50% to 60%. With a little engineering, a rule limiting either the number of dimples or the percentage of ball surface area allowed to be covered with dimples could make a distance limited ball for tour play, while still keeping competition between the ball marketers. Jack was right, control the ball.

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  10. brenner

    Jul 14, 2020 at 11:06 am

    Who the fck cares if greens are being driven. Which old guy that can’t hit it 200 yards suddenly determined that hitting it long is not allowed. Roll back distance and that will be the last golf tournament I ever watch. So sicj and tired of shitty, short hitters who are jealous of bombers trying to change the game. Its so fucking cringe. Watching the last ryder cup in Europe was the most boring form of golf in history, and thats the type of trash yall want at every event?

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  11. Shallowface

    Jul 14, 2020 at 10:44 am

    Regulating drivers would be another one of those things (so common today) where it looked like someone was trying to do something, but would have no real effect.

    The problem is the low spin rate of the ball. Frank Thomas, who was the USGA Technical Director in the late 90s, never could get his head around the idea that pros would play anything but high spinning wound balls. I knew as a kid back in the 70s playing cheap Spalding rocks that the wound ball would eventually disappear. The hard ball popped high immediately off the clubface and was just fine for the short shots. It was superior for everything else, so none of this was a surprise to me.

    The apologists will tell you that Tour driving stats haven’t changed all that much in recent years, but that is because the ball goes so far that a lot of clubs other than drivers (a 300 yard 4 iron for example) are hit from tees and all of that goes into the stats. But, the real problem isn’t the driver. It’s the 225 yard 7 iron, and that is entirely due to the ball. If you could lay up to 225 and still hit a 7 iron into a green, where is the stress in that? 225 used to be a 4 wood on Tour.

    What needs to happen is determine how much a wound ball spun back when the original Overall Distance Standard took effect in the 70s, and legislate that spin rate into the rules. FOR EVERYONE.

    That is what needs to happen. But it won’t. If the USGA or R&A attempted that, the result would be worse than them getting sued. They would be ignored. Rendered completely irrelevant. The PGA Tour would be the new rule making body. The USGA and R&A only have the authority they are granted, by individuals, member-guests, scrambles or professional tours. They will surface and bluster about this issue every so often, but at the end of the day they’ll do nothing and like it.

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  12. Billy C

    Jul 14, 2020 at 7:31 am

    Too late IMO…They have sat back until the ball is going so far greens are being driven and now all of the sudden its a problem. Jack told them years ago to roll it back but it fell on deaf ears.

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WITB Time Machine: Billy Horschel’s winning WITB, 2017 CJ Cup Byron Nelson

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The tournament bearing the name of one of golf’s all-time greats is now known as the CJ Cup Byron Nelson. Back in 2017, it was still the AT&T Byron Nelson and Billy Horschel was still a full-bag PXG staffer. The Florida Gator leveraged those wares to a playoff victory over Jason Day securing his fourth PGA Tour win in the process.

Check out the clubs Horschel had in play seven years ago in Texas.

Driver: PXG 0811X (9 degrees)
Shaft: Fujikura Atmos Tour Spec Black 6 X

3-wood: PXG 0341X (15 degrees)
Shaft: Project X HZRDUS Black 75 6.5

5-wood: PXG 0341 (18 degrees)
Shaft: Project X HZRDUS Black 75 6.5

Irons: PXG 0311T (3, 5-PW)
Shafts: True Temper Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100

Wedges: PXG 0311T Milled (52-10, 56-10, 60-07)
Shafts: True Temper Dynamic Gold Tour Issue S400

Putter: PXG Bat Attack
Grip: SuperStroke Flatso 1.0

Ball: Titleist Pro V1x

Check out more in-hand photos of Billy Horschel’s gear from 2017 here. 

 

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How Cleveland Golf’s wedge selector tool improves the wedge buying process

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More than most golfers would care to admit, confusion often reigns when it comes to selecting a wedge — let alone configuring an entire wedge setup. Make? Model? Loft? Grind? Finish? Two wedges? Three wedges? Four? The questions abound!

While it’s easy to get off the fairway and deep into the rough quickly, the framework question for choosing wedges is the same as the entirety of the golf bag: How should I set up my golf bag to shoot the lowest score possible?

Manufacturers, in addition to, well, manufacturing golf clubs, also understand that golfers need to make informed decisions to get the most out of their equipment. It’s with this in mind, and to help golfers answer the aforementioned foundational question about their wedge setup, that Cleveland Golf has launched its wedge selector too.

To learn more, we talked with Cleveland’s Senior Product Manager, Casey Shultz.

GolfWRX: What was Cleveland seeing in the marketplace that led to the development of the wedge selector? How do golfers benefit?

Casey Shultz: Currently, there is a lot of talk about what grind players should play and what is right for their game in that aspect of selecting a wedge. But there is more to improving wedge play than finding the proper grind. We would even argue it’s one of the smaller dials for improvement. Players can find more success with wedges designed from head shape to shaft, sole width, gapping, and then the grind. Putting a system in place that makes the process of selecting the right wedge easier is something we feel can have a massive impact, especially for recreational players.

GolfWRX: Now, in breaking down Cleveland’s wedge selector tool, the point of departure is figuring out whether you’re an RTX or CBX player. Can you briefly spell out who each of these wedges is for?

CS: For lower handicappers, the RTX series is our tour-validated line of blade wedges. These are for players looking to play a lot of open-faced shots around the green, prioritize workability, and like to flight their wedges. CBX wedges are designed to make the short game easier, while still offering some level of versatility for the mid-high handicapper looking for a wedge that will reduce chunks and add forgiveness on all strikes. CBX’s are also a great option due to them blending well in weight and shaping with more cavity back iron sets.

GolfWRX: Proceeding through the RTX wedge selector, one of the first forks in the road is wedge finish. Can you break down the finish options and the considerations for a golfer in making their selection?

CS: With the RTX series we offer Tour Satin, Black Satin, and Tour Rack finishes. Tour Satin is our most popular finish and offers the most grind options. With HydraZip face blasts on the newest RTX Wedges, glare is significantly reduced at address compared to other silver finish offerings. Black Satin offers custom skin options as personalization and is one of the more durable black finishes on the market but will have some visible wear over time especially on the sole. Finally, Tour Rack is our tour authentic raw finish that will rust over time. The Tour Rack finish also comes with the option of applying any of our Tour Crafted leading edge and sole grind offerings to the Wedge for players really looking to fine-tune their performance.

GolfWRX: Can you walk us through the rest of the RTX wedge fitting process?

CS: Once players have selected their preferred finish, we gather information on their iron set and loft preferences to determine proper gapping. A properly gapped set of wedges, both with each other and transitioning from a player’s last iron, is key to ensuring their set covers a wide range of approach yardages well. We then ask specific questions about the performance the player is looking to achieve in their sand and lob wedges to determine proper grinds for each of those wedges. Lastly, we confirm a preference for traditional or Full-Face grooves at each loft. Full-Face grooves offer a new level of versatility, especially with open-face shots, but it’s up to the player if they want to transition to this groove design. Our algorithm will then take these results and determine a set of wedges best suited to the player’s game.

GolfWRX: Let’s circle back to grinds. Is there a grind configuration across their wedges you’re seeing the majority of players choose or is it pretty evenly divided?

CS: The MID grind is certainly the most popular grind across all lofts, with the blend of versatility and forgiveness in a wide range of conditions suiting many players. In sand wedge lofts, the second most popular grind is our FULL, which has a little more bounce than the MID and is especially effective out of the sand or rough. In lob wedge lofts, the popular alternative to the MID is the LOW grind, offering max versatility around the greens. We’re also seeing more amateur and tour players opt for our Full-Face models, especially in the lob wedge lofts where they are planning to open the face and get creative around the greens.

GolfWRX: Can you take us through the CBX wedge selector?

CS: In the CBX selector, we start by determining if a player is looking to play a lob wedge or not. For many recreational golfers, a lob wedge may not be necessary for the consistent short-game performance they are looking to achieve. Next, the CBX selector focuses on ensuring players end up with a set that transitions well into their irons, while also staying within the constraints of a player’s bag setup. With new players distance, game improvement, and super game improvement iron lofts becoming stronger than those of the past, creating a properly gapped set of wedges is trickier than ever for these players. The selector tool takes the guesswork out of the equation, while also considering a player’s set makeup and interest in replacing a wedge. Finally, players are given the option of when or if they would like to transition into a Full-Face design for added spin on strikes all over the face.

GolfWRX: Is there anything else you think GolfWRXers need to know about Cleveland’s wedge selector tool?

CS: Our wedge selector tool is designed to be used in concert with our set builder webpages. At completion of the selector, a player’s recommended wedge set will automatically be applied to the appropriate set builder. From there, they can easily adjust components or build specs to every Wedge all in one place. Players can also add Tour Crafted sole and leading edge grinds to refine their performance on our Tour Rack wedges, or personalize custom characters, skins, and paintfill in the same place. It’s a one-stop shop to build the perfect wedge set for any player’s game.

This article was presented in partnership with Cleveland Golf. Check out the wedge selector here. 

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Golf fans left surprised by LIV’s choice of course for its 2024 individual championship event

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On Tuesday, LIV announced their individual championship will be held at Bolingbrook Golf Club just outside of Chicago. The event will take place September 13-15.

The late announcement is seemingly due to LIV looking for the right course in the Chicago area that has the infrastructure that can accommodate a professional event.

The choice of Bolingbrook Golf Club has received some feedback on social media.

LIV fans were quick to point out that Bethpage Black, which is hosting the 2025 Ryder Cup, can also be played for a reasonable price, making the point the greens fees don’t always equate to the quality of the golf course.

During LIV’s first two seasons, LIV utilized Rich Harvest Farms in Chicago. It’s unclear why that course is off the rotation in favor of Bolingbrook.

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