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The USGA and the R&A seem to be determined to limit the distance a player can hit the ball. They seem to be driven mad when they see Dustin Johnson or Brooks Koepka hit a ball that lands at 270-280 and rolls out to 315. I sometimes wonder if I could actually watch the members of the rules committee as their faces turned red when one of these shots takes place.

I think it has reached a boiling point and something has to give. I have read the opinions of golfers from all over the world, and most don’t think it’s a problem, but there are a few who want the USGA/R&A to step in. The argument is always the same, and to me it doesn’t hold water. The people that are pro-regulation always cite the fact that many players on the pro tours hit driver and then a wedge into greens, and it makes the game too easy or makes a mockery of the golf course.

My reaction to this is twofold. For the USGA/R&A to step in and use heavy-handed tactics to force the manufactures to make a ball that doesn’t go as far is nuts. It goes against everything that the free market stands for. If this was only one company that had done something so different that it made their product 50 yards longer, I could almost understand, but that is not the case. I would be willing to bet that if you got the Ping robot out and hit all four of the major brands premium balls they would all go about the same distance. The backspin off a wedge or 7-iron would be close as well, so I think they are all quality products.

In addition: how are you going to regulate this new rule? With drivers, you can set a size limit at 460CC, or in the Ping case from 1990, you can say that it must have a specific type of groove. In the case of the ball, you can’t do that because of the swing speed difference in each player. With the big hitters having a swing speed above the 120 MPH mark they will naturally hit the ball further. If a player like Jordan Spieth that has an average swing speed of 114 mph he won’t hit it as far so how do you create a ball that is fair for everyone? It’s not the ball: it’s the physics of the game that we have to look at. Do modern tour balls go further than 25 years ago? No question. But I don’t think you can regulate this.

So, the second part of my argument is: make the courses penalize someone for hitting it 280 on the carry. It is possible, and I point out two holes on the PGA tour. Number 10 at Riviera, and Number 10 at Colonial. In both cases, the hole is built to keep people from hitting driver. At Riviera, the shape of the hole along with the bunkers guarding the green make it a hole that you can hit driver to (but don’t count on a good score). At Colonial, you simply run out of fairway and have a ditch that you would end up in if you take driver off the tee. This is the answer to this issue not a series of rules on how the ball is built. Let the rough grow in at that 275-320 yard landing spot. Maybe put bunkers there or in the southwest, zero scape that area so your ball would land out there with the scorpions and rattlesnakes. If we take a page from some of the great English courses and have tall thick grass that you need a machete to get through, you will find players hitting it to a safe spot and then playing up from there.

The other thing this will do is add to the excitement of playing and watching that hole as it’s played. If the wind is behind the player and they are down two strokes do they try and go for it or will they play it safe? Will a player make the mistake of hitting it into that area and then risk a bad second shot that goes over the green? This is how you solve this issue, not with legislation. I am not saying we rip up Augusta and rebuild it or give Pebble Beach a Hollywood-style makeover. I am saying add subtle changes to the areas where most players land to make it a real tough choice to pull out that driver. This is also not something that has to be done on every hole of a course either. Just a few holes and I think this issue would go away.

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  1. joe

    Mar 27, 2019 at 7:02 pm

    If a player like Jordan Spieth that has an average swing speed of 114 mph he won’t hit it as far so how do you create a ball that is fair for everyone?

    huh? what?

  2. Greg V

    Mar 26, 2019 at 12:36 pm

    More and more Americans have come to believe in climate change caused by greenhouse gasses, and yet we continue to buy more and more trucks (unnecessarily) and larger SUVs. It would be better for the environment to go back to smaller, more gas efficient cars. But few people will do that when everyone else is driving a monster mobile.

    It is the same in golf. But if we all played a shorter ball and less COR efficient drivers, it would be better for the footprint of the game. And for those who feel that the short hitting recreational golfer would suffer – we can move up a set or two of tees.

  3. MT

    Mar 26, 2019 at 10:35 am

    Funny that Gil Hanse tried this on 12 at TPC Boston (added a centerline bunker in the landing area to add some strategy to the tee shot) and the pros whined so much they got rid of the bunker the following year.

  4. James Miller

    Mar 26, 2019 at 9:37 am

    I agree with the author. If distance were “making a mockery” of the courses, we’d see much lower scores winning tournaments. Really, the scores are no lower than they were 25 years ago. Yes, the courses are longer, but as long as there are tees we hacks can play at 6200 yards, I see no problem.
    And another thing, when you’re talking about distance, the proper word is farther, not further.

  5. Richard Douglas

    Mar 26, 2019 at 3:15 am

    Go ahead. Dial back the ball. Make it spin more like a Titleist (wound, liquid center, balata cover). That’s fine. It will hold back the professionals.

    Oh, and they’ll be easy to find. The woods will be filled with them, launched on a slicing trajectory by every hacker around.

    Team sports are not plagued by this problem. A football field has been 100 yards (sorry, Canada) for all time. Even baseball parks are essentially the same–a little longer down the lines and a little shorter in the alleys and in center. Even basketball–with almost every NBA player being able to dunk–has been able to keep the rim height and court size the same.

    But individual sports are another matter. Tennis had to put a limit on racquet size. Swimming banned full-body suits that acted like a shark’s skin. Bowling has long wrestled with limits on making the ball hook, from the hardness of the shell to total ball weight and weight distribution. (It lost. Throwing strikes is so common and so boring it killed the sport.) But golf?

    Golf used to be able to keep the ball tamed. This was largely due to limited technology. You could hit a distance ball, but it was hard as a rock and didn’t perform on or around the greens. Or you could hit a spinny balata. Not much in between. Spin or distance was the dilemma. Top Flite began ending that with the Strata and Titleist shut it down with the ProV1.

    When titanium made other-worldly things possible, the USGA stepped in and limited COR and clubhead size and club length. It can certainly revisit the ball.

  6. Tiger Noods

    Mar 25, 2019 at 9:27 pm

    Everyone wants to watch pros make a mockery of courses. That’s the point; they’re pros.

    It’s like saying “we don’t want race cars to go that fast because most people don’t drive so fast”.

    Don’t act like there aren’t already ball regulations. If we all wait 5 years, you’ll look back and see that it’s maxed out. Athletes figured out that bomb and gouge works. Now if you want to be more penal at 300yds, then you’ll remove the advantage.

    Change the lawnmower settings, people.

  7. James

    Mar 25, 2019 at 7:19 pm

    here’s the funny thing about driving distance, it varies. From last year to this year the avg drive has actually decreased slightly

  8. Gerard

    Mar 25, 2019 at 6:40 pm

    The average carry on tour hasn’t went up a ton in the past 20 years, maybe 5-10 yards. The problem is every PGA/USGA/R&A tournament is played on fast firm courses due to better maintenance practices. Everything is sand based and drains well. They schedule events around the country based on weather. When things are warm and dry. They don’t play in the midwest until late June. Courses need to be set up without being firm and fast(fairways). Amateurs play on normal courses in normal conditions not dry and stressed out. We get average 10-15 yards of roll.With average roll on tour when hitting a fairway being between 30-40+ yards it makes a 7300 yard course play like a 6800 yard course. Trackman data shows PGA tour average carry at 275yds but average total driving distance around 304. The USGA are idiots if they try to dial back the ball. It is simply the way courses are set up that is allowing the guys on tour to stretch their drives not any equipment. The USGA is to blame for the distance debate because how they set up courses not equipment companies.

  9. Terry, this is not a Game

    Mar 25, 2019 at 4:27 pm

    Adjust course setups. Thicker rough, narrower landing areas, etc. But why not have all member tours of the IGF have different equipment? The ball should not change as it will affect the amateur game and that’s not good, but how about all card carrying pros use blades? How about their drivers/woods becoming very unforgiving? MLB/MILB uses wooden bats across the board. When a college kid turns pro in baseball, he knows what changes and adjustments he’s going to have to make in order to play at the next level.

    Guys will ALWAYS figure out how to bomb it. Let’s just see mishits become punishing.

  10. Nathan

    Mar 25, 2019 at 3:35 pm

    280 carry? Try 320 on the fly! Even Jordan can carry it 300.

  11. Ccshop

    Mar 25, 2019 at 3:31 pm

    USGA trying to regulate golf balls based on Tour player numbers is only going to hurt the amateur level. Leave the ball alone. This won’t help grow the game.

  12. Greg V

    Mar 25, 2019 at 2:29 pm

    Tom,
    The USGA and R&A already limit the distance the ball can go through an initial velocity limit, and limits on the size and COR of the driver.

    What’s wrong with tweaking the limits so that the elite players can go back to playing 6,500 yard courses instead of 7,500 yard courses?

    • Josh L.

      Mar 25, 2019 at 3:24 pm

      Limiting ball flight penalizes everyone, what about the guy who only drives it 230? If he loses 10 yards because of a roll back on balls thats huge for him, especially when the rollback is meant for the top 1% of players who can actually overpower courses.

  13. Jagon D.

    Mar 25, 2019 at 2:27 pm

    While I also think that the ball should be rolled back, I do tend to agree that once it is where it is — we can only limit it from this point. I have no problem with physically gifted athletes launching shots, but it’s the course set-ups that have me scratching my head.

    If pros want fast surfaces around the green complexes, that’s fine, but carrying a driver 285 that rolls out to 330, because the fairway is essentially an airport landing strip with grass shavings, is ridiculous.

    Bring in the fairways, actually put some water on them, make the rough penal, and we’re good to go. However, you can’t punish guys like DJ, Cameron Champ, and the like, outright — just because they’re beasts in terms of length.

    • Jim

      Mar 25, 2019 at 3:55 pm

      Jagon states what actually needs to be done. Fairway grass needs to be longer, less roll, softer conditions and have fairways narrow after 280 or create actual strategic holes. The Valspar showed that when they actually play a tough narrow golf course, the winning score doesn’t hit 10 under.

    • A. Commoner

      Mar 27, 2019 at 10:19 am

      Good points, jag. I only disagree with ‘rolling back’ anything or keeping all ‘as is’. When talking applied technology, we’re either all-in or all-out. The potential problems underneath Pandora’s box lid would be migraine magnified with a pick and choose approach.

  14. DB

    Mar 25, 2019 at 2:14 pm

    You’re suggesting common sense ?!?

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Vincenzi’s LIV Golf Singapore betting preview: Course specialist ready to thrive once again

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After another strong showing in Australia, LIV Golf will head to Sentosa Golf Club in Singapore looking to build off of what was undoubtedly their best event to date.

Sentosa Golf Club sits on the southern tip of Singapore and is one of the most beautiful courses in the world. The course is more than just incredible scenically; it was also rated 55th in Golf Digest’s top-100 courses in 2022-2023 and has been consistently regarded as one of the best courses in Asia. Prior to being part of the LIV rotation, the course hosted the Singapore Open every year since 2005.

Sentosa Golf Club is a par 71 measuring 7,406 yards. The course will require precise ball striking and some length off the tee. It’s possible to go low due to the pristine conditions, but there are also plenty of hazards and difficult spots on the course that can bring double bogey into play in a hurry. The Bermudagrass greens are perfectly manicured, and the course has spent millions on the sub-air system to keep the greens rolling fast. I spoke to Asian Tour player, Travis Smyth, who described the greens as “the best [he’s] ever played.”

Davis Love III, who competed in a Singapore Open in 2019, also gushed over the condition of the golf course.

“I love the greens. They are fabulous,” the 21-time PGA Tour winner said.

Love III also spoke about other aspects of the golf course.

“The greens are great; the fairways are perfect. It is a wonderful course, and it’s tricky off the tee.”

“It’s a long golf course, and you get some long iron shots. It takes somebody hitting it great to hit every green even though they are big.”

As Love III said, the course can be difficult off the tee due to the length of the course and the trouble looming around every corner. It will take a terrific ball striking week to win at Sentosa Golf Club.

In his pre-tournament press conference last season, Phil Mickelson echoed many of the same sentiments.

“To play Sentosa effectively, you’re going to have a lot of shots from 160 to 210, a lot of full 6-, 7-, 8-iron shots, and you need to hit those really well and you need to drive the ball well.”

Golfers who excel from tee to green and can dial in their longer irons will have a massive advantage this week.

Stat Leaders at LIV Golf Adelaide:

Fairways Hit

1.) Louis Oosthuizen

2.) Anirban Lahiri

3.) Jon Rahm

4.) Brendan Steele

5.) Cameron Tringale

Greens in Regulation

1.) Brooks Koepka

2.) Brendan Steele

3.) Dean Burmester

4.) Cameron Tringale

5.) Anirban Lahiri

Birdies Made

1.) Brendan Steele

2.) Dean Burmester

3.) Thomas Pieters

4.) Patrick Reed

5.) Carlos Ortiz

LIV Golf Individual Standings:

1.) Joaquin Niemann

2.) Jon Rahm

3.) Dean Burmester

4.) Louis Oosthuizen

5.) Abraham Ancer

LIV Golf Team Standings:

1.) Crushers

2.) Legion XIII

3.) Torque

4.) Stinger GC

5.) Ripper GC

LIV Golf Singapore Picks

Sergio Garcia +3000 (DraftKings)

Sergio Garcia is no stranger to Sentosa Golf Club. The Spaniard won the Singapore Open in 2018 by five strokes and lost in a playoff at LIV Singapore last year to scorching hot Talor Gooch. Looking at the course setup, it’s no surprise that a player like Sergio has played incredible golf here. He’s long off the tee and is one of the better long iron players in the world when he’s in form. Garcia is also statistically a much better putter on Bermudagrass than he is on other putting surfaces. He’s putt extremely well on Sentosa’s incredibly pure green complexes.

This season, Garcia has two runner-up finishes, both of them being playoff losses. Both El Camaleon and Doral are courses he’s had success at in his career. The Spaniard is a player who plays well at his tracks, and Sentosa is one of them. I believe Sergio will get himself in the mix this week. Hopefully the third time is a charm in Singapore.

Paul Casey +3300 (FanDuel)

Paul Casey is in the midst of one of his best seasons in the five years or so. The results recently have been up and down, but he’s shown that when he’s on a golf course that suits his game, he’s amongst the contenders.

This season, Casey has finishes of T5 (LIV Las Vegas), T2 (LIV Hong Kong), and a 6th at the Singapore Classic on the DP World Tour. At his best, the Englishman is one of the best long iron players in the world, which makes him a strong fit for Sentosa. Despite being in poor form last season, he was able to fire a Sunday 63, which shows he can low here at the course.

It’s been three years since Casey has won a tournament (Omega Dubai Desert Classic in 2021), but he’s been one of the top players on LIV this season and I think he can get it done at some point this season.

Mito Pereira +5000 (Bet365)

Since Mito Pereira’s unfortunate demise at the 2022 PGA Championship, he’s been extremely inconsistent. However, over the past few months, the Chilean has played well on the International Series as well as his most recent LIV start. Mito finished 8th at LIV Adelaide, which was his best LIV finish this season.

Last year, Pereira finished 5th at LIV Singapore, shooting fantastic rounds of 67-66-66. It makes sense why Mito would like Sentosa, as preeminent ball strikers tend to rise to the challenge of the golf course. He’s a great long iron player who is long and straight off the tee.

Mito has some experience playing in Asia and is one of the most talented players on LIV who’s yet to get in the winner’s circle. I have questions about whether or not he can come through once in contention, but if he gets there, I’m happy to roll the dice.

Andy Ogletree +15000 (DraftKings)

Andy Ogletree is a player I expected to have a strong 2024 but struggled early in his first full season on LIV. After failing to crack the top-25 in any LIV event this year, the former U.S. Amateur champion finally figured things out, finished in a tie for 3rd at LIV Adelaide.

Ogletree should be incredible comfortable playing in Singapore. He won the International Series Qatar last year and finished T3 at the International Series Singapore. The 26-year-old was arguably the best player on the Asian Tour in 2023 and has been fantastic in the continent over the past 18 months.

If Ogletree has indeed found form, he looks to be an amazing value at triple-digit odds.

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Ryan: Lessons from the worst golf instructor in America

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In Tampa, there is a golf course that boasts carts that do not work, a water range, and a group of players none of which have any chance to break 80. The course is overseen by a staff of crusty men who have succeeded at nothing in life but ending up at the worst-run course in America. However, this place is no failure. With several other local courses going out of business — and boasting outstanding greens — the place is booked full.

While I came for the great greens, I stayed to watch our resident instructor; a poor-tempered, method teacher who caters to the hopeless. At first, it was simply hilarious. However, after months of listening and watching, something clicked. I realized I had a front-row seat to the worst golf instructor in America.

Here are some of my key takeaways.

Method Teacher

It is widely accepted that there are three types of golf instructors: system teachers, non-system teachers, and method teachers. Method teachers prescribe the same antidote for each student based on a preamble which teachers can learn in a couple day certification.

Method teaching allows anyone to be certified. This process caters to the lowest caliber instructor, creating the illusion of competency. This empowers these underqualified instructors with the moniker of “certified” to prey on the innocent and uninformed.

The Cult of Stack and Jilt

The Stack and Tilt website proudly boasts, “A golfer swings his hands inward in the backswing as opposed to straight back to 1) create power, similar to a field goal kicker moving his leg in an arc and 2) to promote a swing that is in-to-out, which produces a draw (and eliminates a slice).”

Now, let me tell you something, there is this law of the universe which says “energy can either be created or destroyed,” so either these guys are defying physics or they have no idea what they are taking about. Further, the idea that the first move of the backswing determines impact is conjecture with a splash of utter fantasy.

These are the pontifications of a method — a set of prescriptions applied to everyone with the hope of some success through the placebo effect. It is one thing for a naive student to believe, for a golf instructor to drink and then dispel this Kool-Aid is malpractice.

Fooled by Randomness

In flipping a coin, or even a March Madness bet, there is a 50-50 chance of success. In golf, especially for new players, results are asymmetric. Simply put: Anything can happen. The problem is that when bad instructors work with high handicappers, each and every shot gets its own diagnosis and prescription. Soon the student is overwhelmed.

Now here’s the sinister thing: The overwhelming information is by design. In this case, the coach is not trying to make you better, they are trying to make you reliant on them for information. A quasi Stockholm syndrome of codependency.

Practice

One of the most important scientists of the 20th century was Ivan Pavlov. As you might recall, he found that animals, including humans, could be conditioned into biological responses. In golf, the idea of practice has made millions of hackers salivate that they are one lesson or practice session from “the secret.”

Sunk Cost

The idea for the worst golf instructor is to create control and dependency so that clients ignore the sunk cost of not getting better. Instead, they are held hostage by the idea that they are one lesson or tip away from unlocking their potential.

Cliches

Cliches have the effect of terminating thoughts. However, they are the weapon of choice for this instructor. Add some hyperbole and students actually get no information. As a result, these players couldn’t play golf. When they did, they had no real scheme. With no idea what they are doing, they would descend into a spiral of no idea what to do, bad results, lower confidence, and running back to the lesson tee from more cliches.

The fact is that poor instruction is about conditioning players to become reliant members of your cult. To take away autonomy. To use practice as a form of control. To sell more golf lessons not by making people better but through the guise that without the teacher, the student can never reach their full potential. All under the umbrella of being “certified” (in a 2-day course!) and a melee of cliches.

This of course is not just happening at my muni but is a systemic problem around the country and around the world, the consequences of which are giving people a great reason to stop playing golf. But hey, at least it’s selling a lot of golf balls…

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Vincenzi’s 2024 Zurich Classic of New Orleans betting preview

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The PGA TOUR heads to New Orleans to play the 2023 Zurich Classic of New Orleans. In a welcome change from the usual stroke play, the Zurich Classic is a team event. On Thursday and Saturday, the teams play best ball, and on Friday and Sunday the teams play alternate shot.

TPC Louisiana is a par 72 that measures 7,425 yards. The course features some short par 4s and plenty of water and bunkers, which makes for a lot of exciting risk/reward scenarios for competitors. Pete Dye designed the course in 2004 specifically for the Zurich Classic, although the event didn’t make its debut until 2007 because of Hurricane Katrina.

Coming off of the Masters and a signature event in consecutive weeks, the field this week is a step down, and understandably so. Many of the world’s top players will be using this time to rest after a busy stretch.

However, there are some interesting teams this season with some stars making surprise appearances in the team event. Some notable teams include Patrick Cantlay and Xander Schauffele, Rory McIlroy and Shane Lowry, Collin Morikawa and Kurt Kitayama, Will Zalatoris and Sahith Theegala as well as a few Canadian teams, Nick Taylor and Adam Hadwin and Taylor Pendrith and Corey Conners.

Past Winners at TPC Louisiana

  • 2023: Riley/Hardy (-30)
  • 2022: Cantlay/Schauffele (-29)
  • 2021: Leishman/Smith (-20)
  • 2019: Palmer/Rahm (-26)
  • 2018: Horschel/Piercy (-22)
  • 2017: Blixt/Smith (-27)

2024 Zurich Classic of New Orleans Picks

Tom Hoge/Maverick McNealy +2500 (DraftKings)

Tom Hoge is coming off of a solid T18 finish at the RBC Heritage and finished T13 at last year’s Zurich Classic alongside Harris English.

This season, Hoge is having one of his best years on Tour in terms of Strokes Gained: Approach. In his last 24 rounds, the only player to top him on the category is Scottie Scheffler. Hoge has been solid on Pete Dye designs, ranking 28th in the field over his past 36 rounds.

McNealy is also having a solid season. He’s finished T6 at the Waste Management Phoenix Open and T9 at the PLAYERS Championship. He recently started working with world renowned swing coach, Butch Harmon, and its seemingly paid dividends in 2024.

Keith Mitchell/Joel Dahmen +4000 (DraftKings)

Keith Mitchell is having a fantastic season, finishing in the top-20 of five of his past seven starts on Tour. Most recently, Mitchell finished T14 at the Valero Texas Open and gained a whopping 6.0 strokes off the tee. He finished 6th at last year’s Zurich Classic.

Joel Dahmen is having a resurgent year and has been dialed in with his irons. He also has a T11 finish at the PLAYERS Championship at TPC Sawgrass which is another Pete Dye track. With Mitchell’s length and Dahmen’s ability to put it close with his short irons, the Mitchell/Dahmen combination will be dangerous this week.

Taylor Moore/Matt NeSmith +6500 (DraftKings)

Taylor Moore has quickly developed into one of the more consistent players on Tour. He’s finished in the top-20 in three of his past four starts, including a very impressive showing at The Masters, finishing T20. He’s also finished T4 at this event in consecutive seasons alongside Matt NeSmith.

NeSmith isn’t having a great 2024, but has seemed to elevate his game in this format. He finished T26 at Pete Dye’s TPC Sawgrass, which gives the 30-year-old something to build off of. NeSmith is also a great putter on Bermudagrass, which could help elevate Moore’s ball striking prowess.

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