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The USGA and the R&A seem to be determined to limit the distance a player can hit the ball. They seem to be driven mad when they see Dustin Johnson or Brooks Koepka hit a ball that lands at 270-280 and rolls out to 315. I sometimes wonder if I could actually watch the members of the rules committee as their faces turned red when one of these shots takes place.

I think it has reached a boiling point and something has to give. I have read the opinions of golfers from all over the world, and most don’t think it’s a problem, but there are a few who want the USGA/R&A to step in. The argument is always the same, and to me it doesn’t hold water. The people that are pro-regulation always cite the fact that many players on the pro tours hit driver and then a wedge into greens, and it makes the game too easy or makes a mockery of the golf course.

My reaction to this is twofold. For the USGA/R&A to step in and use heavy-handed tactics to force the manufactures to make a ball that doesn’t go as far is nuts. It goes against everything that the free market stands for. If this was only one company that had done something so different that it made their product 50 yards longer, I could almost understand, but that is not the case. I would be willing to bet that if you got the Ping robot out and hit all four of the major brands premium balls they would all go about the same distance. The backspin off a wedge or 7-iron would be close as well, so I think they are all quality products.

In addition: how are you going to regulate this new rule? With drivers, you can set a size limit at 460CC, or in the Ping case from 1990, you can say that it must have a specific type of groove. In the case of the ball, you can’t do that because of the swing speed difference in each player. With the big hitters having a swing speed above the 120 MPH mark they will naturally hit the ball further. If a player like Jordan Spieth that has an average swing speed of 114 mph he won’t hit it as far so how do you create a ball that is fair for everyone? It’s not the ball: it’s the physics of the game that we have to look at. Do modern tour balls go further than 25 years ago? No question. But I don’t think you can regulate this.

So, the second part of my argument is: make the courses penalize someone for hitting it 280 on the carry. It is possible, and I point out two holes on the PGA tour. Number 10 at Riviera, and Number 10 at Colonial. In both cases, the hole is built to keep people from hitting driver. At Riviera, the shape of the hole along with the bunkers guarding the green make it a hole that you can hit driver to (but don’t count on a good score). At Colonial, you simply run out of fairway and have a ditch that you would end up in if you take driver off the tee. This is the answer to this issue not a series of rules on how the ball is built. Let the rough grow in at that 275-320 yard landing spot. Maybe put bunkers there or in the southwest, zero scape that area so your ball would land out there with the scorpions and rattlesnakes. If we take a page from some of the great English courses and have tall thick grass that you need a machete to get through, you will find players hitting it to a safe spot and then playing up from there.

The other thing this will do is add to the excitement of playing and watching that hole as it’s played. If the wind is behind the player and they are down two strokes do they try and go for it or will they play it safe? Will a player make the mistake of hitting it into that area and then risk a bad second shot that goes over the green? This is how you solve this issue, not with legislation. I am not saying we rip up Augusta and rebuild it or give Pebble Beach a Hollywood-style makeover. I am saying add subtle changes to the areas where most players land to make it a real tough choice to pull out that driver. This is also not something that has to be done on every hole of a course either. Just a few holes and I think this issue would go away.

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  1. joe

    Mar 27, 2019 at 7:02 pm

    If a player like Jordan Spieth that has an average swing speed of 114 mph he won’t hit it as far so how do you create a ball that is fair for everyone?

    huh? what?

  2. Greg V

    Mar 26, 2019 at 12:36 pm

    More and more Americans have come to believe in climate change caused by greenhouse gasses, and yet we continue to buy more and more trucks (unnecessarily) and larger SUVs. It would be better for the environment to go back to smaller, more gas efficient cars. But few people will do that when everyone else is driving a monster mobile.

    It is the same in golf. But if we all played a shorter ball and less COR efficient drivers, it would be better for the footprint of the game. And for those who feel that the short hitting recreational golfer would suffer – we can move up a set or two of tees.

  3. MT

    Mar 26, 2019 at 10:35 am

    Funny that Gil Hanse tried this on 12 at TPC Boston (added a centerline bunker in the landing area to add some strategy to the tee shot) and the pros whined so much they got rid of the bunker the following year.

  4. James Miller

    Mar 26, 2019 at 9:37 am

    I agree with the author. If distance were “making a mockery” of the courses, we’d see much lower scores winning tournaments. Really, the scores are no lower than they were 25 years ago. Yes, the courses are longer, but as long as there are tees we hacks can play at 6200 yards, I see no problem.
    And another thing, when you’re talking about distance, the proper word is farther, not further.

  5. Richard Douglas

    Mar 26, 2019 at 3:15 am

    Go ahead. Dial back the ball. Make it spin more like a Titleist (wound, liquid center, balata cover). That’s fine. It will hold back the professionals.

    Oh, and they’ll be easy to find. The woods will be filled with them, launched on a slicing trajectory by every hacker around.

    Team sports are not plagued by this problem. A football field has been 100 yards (sorry, Canada) for all time. Even baseball parks are essentially the same–a little longer down the lines and a little shorter in the alleys and in center. Even basketball–with almost every NBA player being able to dunk–has been able to keep the rim height and court size the same.

    But individual sports are another matter. Tennis had to put a limit on racquet size. Swimming banned full-body suits that acted like a shark’s skin. Bowling has long wrestled with limits on making the ball hook, from the hardness of the shell to total ball weight and weight distribution. (It lost. Throwing strikes is so common and so boring it killed the sport.) But golf?

    Golf used to be able to keep the ball tamed. This was largely due to limited technology. You could hit a distance ball, but it was hard as a rock and didn’t perform on or around the greens. Or you could hit a spinny balata. Not much in between. Spin or distance was the dilemma. Top Flite began ending that with the Strata and Titleist shut it down with the ProV1.

    When titanium made other-worldly things possible, the USGA stepped in and limited COR and clubhead size and club length. It can certainly revisit the ball.

  6. Tiger Noods

    Mar 25, 2019 at 9:27 pm

    Everyone wants to watch pros make a mockery of courses. That’s the point; they’re pros.

    It’s like saying “we don’t want race cars to go that fast because most people don’t drive so fast”.

    Don’t act like there aren’t already ball regulations. If we all wait 5 years, you’ll look back and see that it’s maxed out. Athletes figured out that bomb and gouge works. Now if you want to be more penal at 300yds, then you’ll remove the advantage.

    Change the lawnmower settings, people.

  7. James

    Mar 25, 2019 at 7:19 pm

    here’s the funny thing about driving distance, it varies. From last year to this year the avg drive has actually decreased slightly

  8. Gerard

    Mar 25, 2019 at 6:40 pm

    The average carry on tour hasn’t went up a ton in the past 20 years, maybe 5-10 yards. The problem is every PGA/USGA/R&A tournament is played on fast firm courses due to better maintenance practices. Everything is sand based and drains well. They schedule events around the country based on weather. When things are warm and dry. They don’t play in the midwest until late June. Courses need to be set up without being firm and fast(fairways). Amateurs play on normal courses in normal conditions not dry and stressed out. We get average 10-15 yards of roll.With average roll on tour when hitting a fairway being between 30-40+ yards it makes a 7300 yard course play like a 6800 yard course. Trackman data shows PGA tour average carry at 275yds but average total driving distance around 304. The USGA are idiots if they try to dial back the ball. It is simply the way courses are set up that is allowing the guys on tour to stretch their drives not any equipment. The USGA is to blame for the distance debate because how they set up courses not equipment companies.

  9. Terry, this is not a Game

    Mar 25, 2019 at 4:27 pm

    Adjust course setups. Thicker rough, narrower landing areas, etc. But why not have all member tours of the IGF have different equipment? The ball should not change as it will affect the amateur game and that’s not good, but how about all card carrying pros use blades? How about their drivers/woods becoming very unforgiving? MLB/MILB uses wooden bats across the board. When a college kid turns pro in baseball, he knows what changes and adjustments he’s going to have to make in order to play at the next level.

    Guys will ALWAYS figure out how to bomb it. Let’s just see mishits become punishing.

  10. Nathan

    Mar 25, 2019 at 3:35 pm

    280 carry? Try 320 on the fly! Even Jordan can carry it 300.

  11. Ccshop

    Mar 25, 2019 at 3:31 pm

    USGA trying to regulate golf balls based on Tour player numbers is only going to hurt the amateur level. Leave the ball alone. This won’t help grow the game.

  12. Greg V

    Mar 25, 2019 at 2:29 pm

    Tom,
    The USGA and R&A already limit the distance the ball can go through an initial velocity limit, and limits on the size and COR of the driver.

    What’s wrong with tweaking the limits so that the elite players can go back to playing 6,500 yard courses instead of 7,500 yard courses?

    • Josh L.

      Mar 25, 2019 at 3:24 pm

      Limiting ball flight penalizes everyone, what about the guy who only drives it 230? If he loses 10 yards because of a roll back on balls thats huge for him, especially when the rollback is meant for the top 1% of players who can actually overpower courses.

  13. Jagon D.

    Mar 25, 2019 at 2:27 pm

    While I also think that the ball should be rolled back, I do tend to agree that once it is where it is — we can only limit it from this point. I have no problem with physically gifted athletes launching shots, but it’s the course set-ups that have me scratching my head.

    If pros want fast surfaces around the green complexes, that’s fine, but carrying a driver 285 that rolls out to 330, because the fairway is essentially an airport landing strip with grass shavings, is ridiculous.

    Bring in the fairways, actually put some water on them, make the rough penal, and we’re good to go. However, you can’t punish guys like DJ, Cameron Champ, and the like, outright — just because they’re beasts in terms of length.

    • Jim

      Mar 25, 2019 at 3:55 pm

      Jagon states what actually needs to be done. Fairway grass needs to be longer, less roll, softer conditions and have fairways narrow after 280 or create actual strategic holes. The Valspar showed that when they actually play a tough narrow golf course, the winning score doesn’t hit 10 under.

    • A. Commoner

      Mar 27, 2019 at 10:19 am

      Good points, jag. I only disagree with ‘rolling back’ anything or keeping all ‘as is’. When talking applied technology, we’re either all-in or all-out. The potential problems underneath Pandora’s box lid would be migraine magnified with a pick and choose approach.

  14. DB

    Mar 25, 2019 at 2:14 pm

    You’re suggesting common sense ?!?

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Vincenzi’s 2024 Zurich Classic of New Orleans betting preview

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The PGA TOUR heads to New Orleans to play the 2023 Zurich Classic of New Orleans. In a welcome change from the usual stroke play, the Zurich Classic is a team event. On Thursday and Saturday, the teams play best ball, and on Friday and Sunday the teams play alternate shot.

TPC Louisiana is a par 72 that measures 7,425 yards. The course features some short par 4s and plenty of water and bunkers, which makes for a lot of exciting risk/reward scenarios for competitors. Pete Dye designed the course in 2004 specifically for the Zurich Classic, although the event didn’t make its debut until 2007 because of Hurricane Katrina.

Coming off of the Masters and a signature event in consecutive weeks, the field this week is a step down, and understandably so. Many of the world’s top players will be using this time to rest after a busy stretch.

However, there are some interesting teams this season with some stars making surprise appearances in the team event. Some notable teams include Patrick Cantlay and Xander Schauffele, Rory McIlroy and Shane Lowry, Collin Morikawa and Kurt Kitayama, Will Zalatoris and Sahith Theegala as well as a few Canadian teams, Nick Taylor and Adam Hadwin and Taylor Pendrith and Corey Conners.

Past Winners at TPC Louisiana

  • 2023: Riley/Hardy (-30)
  • 2022: Cantlay/Schauffele (-29)
  • 2021: Leishman/Smith (-20)
  • 2019: Palmer/Rahm (-26)
  • 2018: Horschel/Piercy (-22)
  • 2017: Blixt/Smith (-27)

2024 Zurich Classic of New Orleans Picks

Tom Hoge/Maverick McNealy +2500 (DraftKings)

Tom Hoge is coming off of a solid T18 finish at the RBC Heritage and finished T13 at last year’s Zurich Classic alongside Harris English.

This season, Hoge is having one of his best years on Tour in terms of Strokes Gained: Approach. In his last 24 rounds, the only player to top him on the category is Scottie Scheffler. Hoge has been solid on Pete Dye designs, ranking 28th in the field over his past 36 rounds.

McNealy is also having a solid season. He’s finished T6 at the Waste Management Phoenix Open and T9 at the PLAYERS Championship. He recently started working with world renowned swing coach, Butch Harmon, and its seemingly paid dividends in 2024.

Keith Mitchell/Joel Dahmen +4000 (DraftKings)

Keith Mitchell is having a fantastic season, finishing in the top-20 of five of his past seven starts on Tour. Most recently, Mitchell finished T14 at the Valero Texas Open and gained a whopping 6.0 strokes off the tee. He finished 6th at last year’s Zurich Classic.

Joel Dahmen is having a resurgent year and has been dialed in with his irons. He also has a T11 finish at the PLAYERS Championship at TPC Sawgrass which is another Pete Dye track. With Mitchell’s length and Dahmen’s ability to put it close with his short irons, the Mitchell/Dahmen combination will be dangerous this week.

Taylor Moore/Matt NeSmith +6500 (DraftKings)

Taylor Moore has quickly developed into one of the more consistent players on Tour. He’s finished in the top-20 in three of his past four starts, including a very impressive showing at The Masters, finishing T20. He’s also finished T4 at this event in consecutive seasons alongside Matt NeSmith.

NeSmith isn’t having a great 2024, but has seemed to elevate his game in this format. He finished T26 at Pete Dye’s TPC Sawgrass, which gives the 30-year-old something to build off of. NeSmith is also a great putter on Bermudagrass, which could help elevate Moore’s ball striking prowess.

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Vincenzi’s 2024 LIV Adelaide betting preview: Cam Smith ready for big week down under

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After having four of the top twelve players on the leaderboard at The Masters, LIV Golf is set for their fifth event of the season: LIV Adelaide. 

For both LIV fans and golf fans in Australia, LIV Adelaide is one of the most anticipated events of the year. With 35,000 people expected to attend each day of the tournament, the Grange Golf Club will be crawling with fans who are passionate about the sport of golf. The 12th hole, better known as “the watering hole”, is sure to have the rowdiest of the fans cheering after a long day of drinking some Leishman Lager.  

The Grange Golf Club is a par-72 that measures 6,946 yards. The course features minimal resistance, as golfers went extremely low last season. In 2023, Talor Gooch shot consecutive rounds of 62 on Thursday and Friday, giving himself a gigantic cushion heading into championship Sunday. Things got tight for a while, but in the end, the Oklahoma State product was able to hold off The Crushers’ Anirban Lahiri for a three-shot victory. 

The Four Aces won the team competition with the Range Goats finishing second. 

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Past Winners at LIV Adelaide

  • 2023: Talor Gooch (-19)

Stat Leaders Through LIV Miami

Green in Regulation

  1. Richard Bland
  2. Jon Rahm
  3. Paul Casey

Fairways Hit

  1. Abraham Ancer
  2. Graeme McDowell
  3. Henrik Stenson

Driving Distance

  1. Bryson DeChambeau
  2. Joaquin Niemann
  3. Dean Burmester

Putting

  1. Cameron Smith
  2. Louis Oosthuizen
  3. Matt Jones

2024 LIV Adelaide Picks

Cameron Smith +1400 (DraftKings)

When I pulled up the odds for LIV Adelaide, I was more than a little surprised to see multiple golfers listed ahead of Cameron Smith on the betting board. A few starts ago, Cam finished runner-up at LIV Hong Kong, which is a golf course that absolutely suits his eye. Augusta National in another course that Smith could roll out of bed and finish in the top-ten at, and he did so two weeks ago at The Masters, finishing T6.

At Augusta, he gained strokes on the field on approach, off the tee (slightly), and of course, around the green and putting. Smith able to get in the mix at a major championship despite coming into the week feeling under the weather tells me that his game is once again rounding into form.

The Grange Golf Club is another course that undoubtedly suits the Australian. Smith is obviously incredibly comfortable playing in front of the Aussie faithful and has won three Australian PGA Championship’s. The course is very short and will allow Smith to play conservative off the tee, mitigating his most glaring weakness. With birdies available all over the golf course, there’s a chance the event turns into a putting contest, and there’s no one on the planet I’d rather have in one of those than Cam Smith.

Louis Oosthuizen +2200 (DraftKings)

Louis Oosthuizen has simply been one of the best players on LIV in the 2024 seas0n. The South African has finished in the top-10 on the LIV leaderboard in three of his five starts, with his best coming in Jeddah, where he finished T2. Perhaps more impressively, Oosthuizen finished T7 at LIV Miami, which took place at Doral’s “Blue Monster”, an absolutely massive golf course. Given that Louis is on the shorter side in terms of distance off the tee, his ability to play well in Miami shows how dialed he is with the irons this season.

In addition to the LIV finishes, Oosthuizen won back-to-back starts on the DP World Tour in December at the Alfred Dunhill Championship and the Mauritus Open. He also finished runner-up at the end of February in the International Series Oman. The 41-year-old has been one of the most consistent performers of 2024, regardless of tour.

For the season, Louis ranks 4th on LIV in birdies made, T9 in fairways hit and first in putting. He ranks 32nd in driving distance, but that won’t be an issue at this short course. Last season, he finished T11 at the event, but was in decent position going into the final round but fell back after shooting 70 while the rest of the field went low. This season, Oosthuizen comes into the event in peak form, and the course should be a perfect fit for his smooth swing and hot putter this week.

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The Wedge Guy: What really makes a wedge work? Part 1

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Of all the clubs in our bags, wedges are almost always the simplest in construction and, therefore, the easiest to analyze what might make one work differently from another if you know what to look for.

Wedges are a lot less mysterious than drivers, of course, as the major brands are working with a lot of “pixie dust” inside these modern marvels. That’s carrying over more to irons now, with so many new models featuring internal multi-material technologies, and almost all of them having a “badge” or insert in the back to allow more complex graphics while hiding the actual distribution of mass.

But when it comes to wedges, most on the market today are still single pieces of molded steel, either cast or forged into that shape. So, if you look closely at where the mass is distributed, it’s pretty clear how that wedge is going to perform.

To start, because of their wider soles, the majority of the mass of almost any wedge is along the bottom third of the clubhead. So, the best wedge shots are always those hit between the 2nd and 5th grooves so that more mass is directly behind that impact. Elite tour professionals practice incessantly to learn to do that consistently, wearing out a spot about the size of a penny right there. If impact moves higher than that, the face is dramatically thinner, so smash factor is compromised significantly, which reduces the overall distance the ball will fly.

Every one of us, tour players included, knows that maddening shot that we feel a bit high on the face and it doesn’t go anywhere, it’s not your fault.

If your wedges show a wear pattern the size of a silver dollar, and centered above the 3rd or 4th groove, you are not getting anywhere near the same performance from shot to shot. Robot testing proves impact even two to three grooves higher in the face can cause distance loss of up to 35 to 55 feet with modern ‘tour design’ wedges.

In addition, as impact moves above the center of mass, the golf club principle of gear effect causes the ball to fly higher with less spin. Think of modern drivers for a minute. The “holy grail” of driving is high launch and low spin, and the driver engineers are pulling out all stops to get the mass as low in the clubhead as possible to optimize this combination.

Where is all the mass in your wedges? Low. So, disregarding the higher lofts, wedges “want” to launch the ball high with low spin – exactly the opposite of what good wedge play requires penetrating ball flight with high spin.

While almost all major brand wedges have begun putting a tiny bit more thickness in the top portion of the clubhead, conventional and modern ‘tour design’ wedges perform pretty much like they always have. Elite players learn to hit those crisp, spinny penetrating wedge shots by spending lots of practice time learning to consistently make contact low in the face.

So, what about grooves and face texture?

Grooves on any club can only do so much, and no one has any material advantage here. The USGA tightly defines what we manufacturers can do with grooves and face texture, and modern manufacturing techniques allow all of us to push those limits ever closer. And we all do. End of story.

Then there’s the topic of bounce and grinds, the most complex and confusing part of the wedge formula. Many top brands offer a complex array of sole configurations, all of them admittedly specialized to a particular kind of lie or turf conditions, and/or a particular divot pattern.

But if you don’t play the same turf all the time, and make the same size divot on every swing, how would you ever figure this out?

The only way is to take any wedge you are considering and play it a few rounds, hitting all the shots you face and observing the results. There’s simply no other way.

So, hopefully this will inspire a lively conversation in our comments section, and I’ll chime in to answer any questions you might have.

And next week, I’ll dive into the rest of the wedge formula. Yes, shafts, grips and specifications are essential, too.

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