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The second of these two moves gets a lot of golfers in trouble. The reason being it requires a high level of skill and rotation to be able to pull it off naturally. If it’s not done as a natural result of the rotation, it then becomes forced. Once you start to force this move… bad things usually follow.

Make sure you watch Part 1 of “Shallowing the Club: Two Moves to Avoid” if you haven’t already. 

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  1. STEVE

    Jun 18, 2018 at 11:07 am

    Further proof that golf professionals cannot agree on golf swing fundamentals — especially the transition from back to down swing. An aussie pro named Bradley Hughes (not well known, I realize) with his own video series is a strong proponent of moving the hands OUT and seemingly away from the body to start the downswing. It flattens the club, and while there is the illusion your hands are out away, as he puts it “out is down” vs. traditional teaching which is supposed to drop the club into the slot, actually creates a hitting zone where the golfer is trapped. It’s interesting stuff and when done correctly, has me hitting the ball more solidly than I did 20 years ago. Seemingly counter to what is featured in this video….no surprise.

  2. Scott Ivlow

    Jun 12, 2018 at 12:26 am

    There is nothing in these videos that explaines how to shallow the club the right way. I don’t need 2 over complicated computer graphic videos that tells me nothing on how to do it. Thank God for Clay Ballard. He can demonstrate perfectly on the correct method on how any amateur can shallow the club far better than this guy can with with his mumbo jumbo golf videos that only gives the viewer a headache before the completion of the second video. If anyone on here wants to learn how to shallow the club like a pro go to youtube and search Top Speed Golf. Shallowing the Club. See how it’s done with a human body.

  3. Geohogan

    Jun 11, 2018 at 1:56 pm

    If golf instructors understood how the subconscious works, they would provide positive ‘to do’ instruction, not tell us what not to do..

    Our subconscious controls all motion and subconscious cannot do a negative. It cannot, not do something.
    if intention is ‘dont smoke’ our subconscious drops the ‘dont’ and intention becomes ‘smoke’
    Dont drink and drive, becomes drink and drive. Tell a two year old not to put his shoes on the couch and you know the ending.

    What ever you do, dont think about a pink elephant. you wont be able to get a pink elephant out of your mind. two moves to avoid … becomes the pink elephant.

  4. Ted

    Jun 11, 2018 at 9:11 am

    What is the name of your website

  5. ogo

    Jun 9, 2018 at 2:45 am

    Excellent scientifically-based video that virtually eliminates eyeballing by instructors. Force plates plus 3D video uncovers golf swing faults and fixes.
    Scientific data obsoletes every instructor dependent on subjective observations of the golfswing. Scientific instrumentation has revealed objective golfswing dynamics previously unknown to all the old teachers.

  6. Geohogan

    Jun 8, 2018 at 8:05 pm

    Intent to square the clubface with the hands, which freezes the hips and shoulders at impact.

    Correct pivot and intent to square clubface with torso rotation will result in shallowing of the golf club in DS, with open hips and shoulders at impact. Flexibility and fitness has nothing to do with open hips and shoulders at impact.

    • ogo

      Jun 9, 2018 at 2:48 am

      Flexiblity and fitness allows open hips and shoulders at impact because it’s the X-Factor that allows the Kinetic Chain to function properly. If hips and shoulders rotate in unison you are arming the DS rather than swinging freely.

  7. James

    Jun 8, 2018 at 3:15 pm

    Pro number three looks a little like Louis Oosthuizen

    • James T

      Jun 9, 2018 at 2:55 pm

      Amateur #1 looks a little like me but I usually wear more clothes.

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Lesson of the Day: Understand cause and effect to make permanent swing changes



In our “Lesson of the Day” video series with V1 Sports, we match a different GolfWRX member with a different V1 Sports instructor. It’s extremely important to both V1 Sports and GolfWRX to help golfers improve their games and shoot lower scores, and there’s no better way to do that than getting lessons. While we not only want to provide free lessons to select GolfWRX members, we want to encourage and inspire golfers to seek professional instruction. For instructions on how to submit your own video for a chance at getting a free lesson from a V1 Sports instructor as part of our Lesson of the Day series, CLICK HERE.

This week, V1 Pro Dan Marvosh looks at WRX Member Matt Chappellie’s swing.

About the pro

Dan Marvosh is a PGA Professional as well as TPI Certified instructor based at Sterling Hills Golf Club in Camarillo, CA. In addition to providing a TPI physical screen to understand your body’s movement patterns he also uses the advancement of technology to accurately measure all of the key components that go into making you a better player. These tools include V1 Pro software for analyzing your golf swing, Flightscope launch monitors as well as a brand new wrist sensor called Hackmotion. In addition to in person coaching and programming, Dan offers his students the ability to learn from anywhere in the world via his golf academy.

Lesson context

My first impression of Matt was that he has an athletic setup and likely plays regularly, but like many of you, definitely will benefit from understanding the core cause and effect of why his inconsistencies in ball striking occur. Matt has a very weak grip, evidenced by the “v” of the trail hand pointing in front of his sternum. Players with weak grips generally get the club face fairly open in the back swing and thus have to react accordingly on the down swing to match up the open club face. While most high-handicap players usually react to an open face by swinging left or “over-the-top” to square that open face, Matt has a better players match up where he combines his weak grip with pressure towards his toes at address which cause him to stand up (to maintain balance) in the back swing.

As Matt makes his transition, you’ll notice he continues to early extend (note the loss of tush line) which for him does get his swing direction to the right, however in doing so he will have a significant loss of forward shaft lean and most importantly, face control. In short, standing up in the downswing reduces your ability to create ground force which encourages torso and hip rotation. If you watch Matt’s video, you will be able to understand the connection more clearly. Notice that when the shaft is parallel to the ground in the downswing (Golf Machine aficionados call this p6) the club face is still fairly open (hence why just working on rotation will not work), however just past impact the face has rolled significantly closed, further showing the effect on not utilizing the ground properly to stabilize the face.

In conclusion, like many swings it is often easy to notice the symptoms of Matt’s flawed pattern, however understanding the core cause and thus effect allows permanent change to be more possible and for a lot of my players that starts with the club face. Here are the key steps for Matt to take in order to allow permanent change to show up on the course — where it matters most!

Steps to improvement

  1. Create a stronger grip at setup- the checkpoint for Matt is to have the “v” of the trail hand to line up more with his trail forearm. Most of you will also benefit from being able to see two knuckles of the top hand from address given its effect on controlling the tendency of an open club face.
  2. Feel like pressure at address in the feet is more in the mid foot as opposed to towards the toes.
  3. Work an early extension drill (in the video) to create body awareness and new rotational feels with more ideal pressure shifts (Whenever doing a drill, start off slow and work your way up to speed and take advantage of your smart phone to measure your progress – feel and real are often two extremely different things. Finally, dedicate a portion of your practice to practice swings at 90% speed that incorporate portions of the change you are making and try to match those swings on a ball, this is ultimately the swing you want to take to the course because it has athleticism and incorporates your new pattern)
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How-to Series: How to move your hips on the backswing



Lucas Wald How To Series: How to move your hips on the backswing

This is the first installment in our How To Series — follow this plan to master the movements of the hips on the backswing!

Watch the series introduction here

This new series is all about helping you improve your golf swing quickly. We’re going to break the swing down into its component parts and give you specific practice direction — master these key elements of the swing and you’ll see improvement fast!

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How “long arms” at the top of the backswing can help you hit the ball farther



One of the hardest things to do as we get older is to make a big shoulder turn with extended arms at the top. It’s the swing of a younger golfer! However, every one of us can add width at the top so we can hit it farther, but few know how to actually do so. In this article, I will use MySwing 3D Motion Analysis to help you understand how beneficial long arms are at the top.

As you examine the swing of this particular player, you will notice that the lead arm is “soft” and the hands are close to this player’s head at the top. This is the classic narrow armswing to the top that most older players employ. And as we all know this position leaves yardage in the bag!

Now let’s look at the data so we can see what is actually happening…

At the top you can see that the shoulders have turned 100 degrees which is more than enough, but the arms look jammed and narrow at the top. Why?

The answer lies within the actions of the rear arm, the lead arm is only REACTING to the over-bending of the rear elbow. As you can see at the top the rear elbow is bent 60 degrees. In a perfect world, when the rear elbow is at 90 degrees (a right angle) or more, the lead arm will be mostly straight — depending on how you’re built.

Something to note…in this position the hands are just past the chest and the shoulders have turned almost 90 degrees. However, when this player finished his backswing, he added 30 more degrees of rear elbow bend and only 11 more degrees of shoulder turn! What this means is that for the last quarter of the backswing, all this player did is allow the hands to basically collapse to the top of the backswing. This move is less than efficient and will cause major issues in your downswing sequencing, as well as, your transitional action.

As stated when your trail elbow stays at 90 degrees or wider in route to the top, you will have a much straighter lead arm.

One last thing to note when comparing these two players is that this player two had a shorter backswing length but a BIGGER shoulder turn with WIDER arms at the top, giving this player a short compact motion that resembles Adam Scott — which seems to work for he and Butch!

Therefore, the thing to remember is that if your lead arm is soft at the top and your arms look crowded at the top, then you must fix the over-bending of the rear elbow on the backswing. And if you have wider arms you will have a more solid “package” to become a ballstriking machine!

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