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Greg Norman makes bold claim over LIV duo…disrespecting Scottie Scheffler in the process



After Cameron Smith’s victory at LIV Chicago, Greg Norman made an interesting Instagram post celebrating his fellow Australians triumph.


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In the post, the LIV Golf CEO claimed that Cameron Smith and Dustin Johnson were the two best players in the world…something World Number One, current Masters champion and Player of the Year Scottie Scheffler may take umbrage with.

His full post read:

“Who’s questioning the real #1 & #2 in the world? On top of that they are happy. Their families are happy. Their wives are happy. Their caddies are happy. The #LIVGolf team is a family. Everyone is in this together. This has never happened on the PGA Tour. As Cam Smith has said, we have given golf a heartbeat.

The fans hold us all accountable. They are holding the PGA Tour accountable. They are holding the OWGR accountable. How can the OWGR ignore the fact that the two best players in the world – @cameronsmithgolf and @dustinjohnsongolf – play on the @livgolfinv tour? When the fans speak, listen. Golf is a force for good.”

The OWGR debate has been steadily growing over the past month. Many in the game of golf believe LIV needs to adjust their format if they ever want to receive OWGR points. The criteria were set before the league began, and therefore there is no reason for the system to change to help bring LIV into the fold.

Others believe that the landscape of professional golf is changing, and the OWGR system needs to adapt.

Alan Shipnuck is part of that group, and shared his OWGR thoughts in a Q and A on the Firepit Collective last night.

The debate is an important one. It will hold the keys to whether or not the LIV Golfers can play in majors going forward. Some of the past major champions will continue to have exemptions for the next few years but will eventually run out.

For now, neither LIV Golf nor the OWGR seem willing to budge.

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  1. Check yo self

    Sep 21, 2022 at 8:27 pm

    Wow…. I scroll thru all these golfwrx articles now, and just about every single one is relative to LIV somehow. Obviously Norman is right. The product is selling, and getting more media coverage than anything PGA Tour related. It’s time for people to wake up and smell the coffee. Publicity in either aspect is still publicity. LIV is here to stay, and it’s gonna put a dent in the PGA Tour. It just is what it is.

  2. zenyatta

    Sep 21, 2022 at 1:02 pm

    All these guys do is prove they’re nitwits. Grow up boys. No one forced you to go to LIV – perhaps you should have thought things through before making your decision.

  3. Bob Jones

    Sep 21, 2022 at 11:07 am

    The OWGR have been around for years as the standard by which golfing excellence is measured. Now an upstart Tour wants OWGR to change to fit their model. Sorry, LIV needs to change to fit the OWGR model. That’s how life works.

    • L White

      Sep 21, 2022 at 1:15 pm

      The OWGR have been changed before and they can be changed again. They are not set in granite to appease the PGA Tour. I’m sure something can be worked out…OWGR are truly a joke without including clearly some of the best players in the world. The golf world does not need to revolve around the PGA Tour and what they say it should be.

      • Big Baby

        Sep 21, 2022 at 1:38 pm

        Your right the OWGR doesn’t revolve around the PGA Tour. They include the Asian Tour, DP World Tour, Sunshine Tour, Latin America Tour, Canadian Tour etc…

        They have set criteria that need to be met in order for your tour to get ranking points.

        Again, you are correct that things can change, but it isn’t and it shouldn’t happen overnight just to appease a murderous regime that thinks they can bully everyone.

        • LWhite

          Sep 21, 2022 at 3:14 pm

          That’s why I said something can be worked out. But kind of hard when the people on the board are anti-LIV. And yes the PGA Tour pretty much controls the rankings criteria. The Asian tour, etc… is not coming to the PGA and telling them how it will be. Is LIV Golf the murderous regime? You mean SA? The same regime FedEx pumped millions into the SA economy so they could get their international shipping? The same FedEx that sponsors the FedEx cup?

  4. joe

    Sep 21, 2022 at 9:29 am

    “What does Stephan A(rse) Smith have to say about this”? Said no one ever.

    Demand. HA!

  5. freeze

    Sep 21, 2022 at 7:59 am

    There is more interest about LIV on boards than actual events. A small group watches on youtube and they cant give the tickets away to their events

    • L. White

      Sep 21, 2022 at 1:09 pm

      Really? I was at Rich Harvest Farms and it was packed…have you went to a LIV event or just saying what you wish were true? BTW I did not hear one bad thing about LIV the entire time I was there. Everyone was enjoying the golf and having a great time. Sorry to say and you won’t believe this, but I did hear negativity directed at the PGA Tour.

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  7. Brandon

    Sep 20, 2022 at 7:37 pm

    I have no problem with LIV but if they want world ranking status they need to play 72 holes. It’s that simple.

  8. Paul Dunlavey

    Sep 20, 2022 at 10:26 am

    I’m tired of this kind of “National Enquirer” bs. It turns me off of watching any golf weather it’s the PGA or LIV.

  9. Chuck

    Sep 20, 2022 at 9:31 am

    That Greg Norman post on Instagram reads like a Donald Trump post on Truth Social. And why not? It’s the same divisive, toxic play book.

    Trump managed to drag the old USFL into such division and disrepute that it collapsed. Norman May do the same to Tour golf.

    See you in court.

    • Joey B

      Sep 20, 2022 at 9:55 am

      Monahan and the PGA tour are fascists !!

      • Bob

        Sep 20, 2022 at 9:23 pm

        What’s a fascist? A fascist is one who yokes state and corporate powers for personal gain. The PGA tour has no state connections. LIV has KSA backing.

        Care to revise your bull**** statement, loser?

        PS. Greg is a globalist slag who hates Donald Trump. Comparing the 2 is a joke.

    • george hogan maine golfer extraordinaire

      Sep 20, 2022 at 12:37 pm

      divisive hahahahahhahaha i see “sportswashing” buzzword use has tempered…… you leftists really can not think… everything you say and do is exactly what the news said yesterday, last week, last year…. no matter how hard you try, you’ll never be remotely intelligent

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‘People don’t know what the F they’re talking about’ – Billy Horschel rips Presidents Cup lineup critics



The 2022 Presidents Cup is severely lacking star power, specifically on the International Team side. The United States Team has climbed all the way to a -800 favorite and looks to be all but guaranteed to dominate.

The U.S. Team is 13-1-1 all time in the Presidents Cup, but there have been plenty of competitive matches, including in 2019 when the International Team hosted the event in Australia.

The lack of talent on the International Team this year can’t be attributed to the fact that there are fewer good players worldwide this season. In fact, the International Team looked to be quite strong before the departure of many golfers who chose to play in the LIV Golf invitational series.

Cameron Smith, Joaquin Niemann, Abraham Ancer, Louis Oosthuizen and Marc Leishman were all sure-fire Presidents Cup players, and the International Team was forced to replace them with players who simply aren’t as good.

The only player who would have been guaranteed to be on the United States Team is Dustin Johnson. An argument could be made for Brooks Koepka and Bryson DeChambeau, who both played in the 2021 Ryder Cup, but both players had fallen out of form even prior to their departure from the PGA TOUR.

The LIV players not being able to compete have left many fans questioning how deserving the remaining players are of their spots on the team and if the event is now watered down.

After his win at the Fortinet, Max Homa talked about being motivated by the notion he’s only on the Presidents Cup team due to the LIV departures.

Billy Horschel has taken exception to that narrative.

“I know there’s been a lot of chatter about it on both sides, at least the players who went to the LIV Tour,” Horschel said during a press conference Tuesday. “Then as Max [Homa] sort of indicated Sunday after he won [the Fortinet Championship], there was a lot of people on social media that like to chime in,” Billy said.

“What he’s heard, I’ve heard as well, I only made the team because the LIV guys left the Tour. I mean, those are just people that don’t know what the F they’re talking about. If they would have seen the points list when they left the Tour, Max and I were clearly in the top 12. So it doesn’t bother us one bit.”

Both Horschel and Homa will be making their first Presidents Cup start this week at Quail Hollow.

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Greg Norman says he was asked not to attend PGA Tour event he created…event director refutes claim



On Tuesday, LIV Golf CEO Greg Norman posted on Instagram to announce he was asked not to attend 2023’s QBE Shootout.

Norman founded what was previously known as “The Shark Shootout” event back in 1989 and has been hosting it ever since.

Norman’s post began by saying:

“Sadly, after 33 consecutive years of playing in and hosting every Shootout tournament – a co-sanctioned PGA Tour event – since I founded it in 1989, this year I have been asked not to attend.”

Norman also pointed out that the tournament has raised over $15 million for charities such as Cure Search.


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The director of the tournament Rob Hartman told the Naples Daily News that the decision was mutual, which refutes Norman’s original statement that he was “asked not to attend”.

“As we got close, ultimately the decision was made that he was going to step back and really let the focus remain on our tremendous charitable partners,” Hartman said. “When he started this event 34 years ago, it was all about charity then, and it’s all about charity now. Greg just made the decision that he didn’t want anything to distract from that.”

The two-player team competition is set to be held in December at Tiburon Golf Club.

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Paul McGinley: Make the Presidents Cup a mixed event



The Presidents Cup gets underway this week from Quail Hollow Golf Club, with the International side looking for just their second victory at the event and its first-ever win on U.S. soil.

The U.S. has won the last eight editions of the tournament, and with the International side losing some key names due to their defection to LIV Golf, the U.S. has been installed as an overwhelming 1/10 favorite to retain the cup.

This week, Geoff Shackelford and Beth Ann Nichols both championed the idea in their columns that the event should become a mixed event to kickstart the seemingly flagging event. And you can now add Golf Channel analyst Paul McGinley to the camp supporting that notion.

Speaking on Golf Channel’s Presidents Cup preview alongside his colleague Brandel Chamblee, McGinley laid out the case for female players to join the event, saying:

“One of the things I’ve said in the past, I’ve said it on Sky, I may well have said it on this show too, is make it (Presidents Cup) a mixed event. I know it’s a big radical change.

“Six of each on each team, and I just think with the strength and quality we have in the ladies game now in the International side, I think that would really equate the teams.”

Referring to the World Rankings, which have the top 6 International female players currently ranked in the top 8, McGinley added:

“You would only go down to 8 in the world to fill the six ladies that would join the six male international players, and I think, we talk about growing the game, we talk about all the ideas that would come with it, I saw Geoff Shackelford writing about it this morning as well, so a couple of people out there think it is a good idea.

“I’ve been saying it for a year or two, and I think the Presidents Cup is a perfect opportunity for it.”

This year’s Presidents Cup features a U.S team with an official world golf ranking average of 11.6 against an International side whose average ranking is 48.9.

If the event this week was mixed, it would have featured a U.S. side with an average ranking of 9.83 vs an International side with an average ranking of 15.33.

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