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‘You chose the circus, stay in the circus’ – 4-time PGA Tour winner latest to blast LIV rebels

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Reacting to the news that 10 LIV golfers (down to 10 after Carlos Ortiz withdrew his lawsuit on Tuesday) have served a lawsuit on the PGA Tour, veteran player Ryan Palmer had a simple message, “you chose the circus, stay in the circus.”

Speaking with SiriusXM PGA Tour Radio, hosts Jason Sobel and The Caddie heard Palmer state that, “There is nowhere to go from there (the LIV series).”

The four-time PGA Tour winner may have been seen as a likely candidate for the rebel tour, but nothing could be further from the truth.

Amongst the 10 players named in the suit, Taylor Gooch, Matt Jones and Hudson Swafford, saw their appeal for a Temporary Restraining Order, in other words the opportunity to come back on the PGA Tour, in order to play at this week’s first FedEx playoff event, the St. Jude at Southwind, thrown out on Tuesday.

Speaking on the drama, Palmer told Sobel and his fellow broadcaster:

“I’m tired of it, tired talking about it. They chose that route, all you heard was ‘play less, be home more’, well now you want to play and come out and play the big events next year and then play over there. I just don’t get it.”

“You know what, you chose the circus, stay in the circus.

“We’re here on the PGA Tour, the greatest stage in golf in my opinion. It’s different. In my opinion there is no incentive to play golf out there. There is nowhere to go from there.”

Referring to the huge money offered by LIV, the experienced 45-year-old commented, “Okay, there is a purse. I call it a $25 million Calcutta.”

Continuing the theme, Palmer explained why he won’t be tempted to jump ship if offered the chance.

“There’s money to play for but there is nowhere to go from there. What’s their upsides besides bank accounts?”

“For me, sitting here in Memphis, I’ve got a place to go and that’s to get back in the top 50 in the world, get back to the majors, get back to the upper echelon of the calibre out here. If I’m out there, I’ve got nowhere to go.”

Currently at 114th in the current world rankings Palmer will look to return to the form that saw him rank 47th at the end of last season.

You can hear the player’s frustration here:

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  3. Tom K.

    Aug 10, 2022 at 10:56 pm

    Sounds like sour grapes.

  4. Reasonable Ronnie

    Aug 10, 2022 at 4:31 pm

    So what Ryan Palmer is saying since some talent left for LIV he thinks he’s got the chops to actually crack top 50 in the rankings. All of the tour pros who keep saying “there’s nowhere to go from LIV, they’re stuck there” I don’t think are considering maybe guys like DJ, Brooks, Bryson don’t want to be playing professional golf in their late 40s or 50 years old.

    Lots of people seem in this whole situation have a hard time understanding that not everyone wants to be the next tiger or Jack. Some of these guys are content making really good (now great at LIV) money playing a sport for a living and don’t have any interest in 7 green jackets or 85 career wins.

    • B Chamblee

      Aug 10, 2022 at 5:36 pm

      Don’t use common sense around here. That’s not allowed! We must hate LIV and the Saudi’s!!

    • JimK

      Aug 10, 2022 at 11:54 pm

      That’s fine, but just let me hear one of those guys be honest and say he’s leaving the PGA because he doesn’t care about being great. Just one.

  5. Purveyor a truith

    Aug 10, 2022 at 1:19 pm

    Easy to say from someone who, for one, wasn’t offered to join LIV, two, has made enough money over his career that he can say he “has somewhere to go” with a laissez-faire mentality, and three, is now set to enjoy the increased purses and plethora of opportunities that the LIV players leaving will afford him. By the LIV guys leaving the PGA Tour was forced to actually increase the purses and pay the players more while providing them more opportunities. Had they done that over the years, then the LIV Tour may have not gotten off the ground. Instead, the Tour was happy to reap the benefits of their cash cows, while barely giving them a piece of the large increases in funds. The PGA Tour and professional golf is the only professional sport that doesn’t pay guys for their work unless they “make the cut”, and even then on all tours but the PGA Tour guys struggle to make ends meet. No contracts, no salaries, no benefits. They are all contractors except when they try to go and play on another tour that the PGA Tour doesn’t like. They don’t say shit if those guys play on any non PGA Tour-affiliated tours. Why care about LIV? Because they are scared. LIV upset the status quo and the good ‘ol boys club that was hell bent on continuing to profit off the backs of their players.

  6. Jason Barbieri

    Aug 10, 2022 at 12:36 pm

    Love it. Guy is a COMPETITOR, and sees more than just dollar signs.

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‘What’s going on?’ – Justin Thomas left frustrated with two officials over ruling at Hero

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During Thursday’s first round of the Hero World Challenge, Justin Thomas called for a rules official and subsequently, a second opinion, on the par-5 9th at Albany Golf Club.

The players were playing lift-clean-and-place, and Thomas’ ball came to rest about 5o yards short of the green in an area where it was difficult to identify if the ball was sitting in the fairway or the rough. The ball had gathered some mud, so if the rules official had decided that his ball was in fact in the rough, he would have to hit a pretty difficult shot given the condition on his golf ball.

“Basically, what’s going on?” Thomas asked the official.

The official told Thomas that the change of color in the grass was indicative of the change of fairway to rough, and therefore he would have to hit his ball as it lied. Thomas argued that the grass was cut to the same length in both spots, therefore the color didn’t matter.

“But you see, what I’m saying, this is also beat down from the carts, but look at how much longer this is than this,” he said before walking over to the thicker grass. “Like see, this is the same height [where his ball was and the apparent fairway.] I totally see it’s down grain and it’s a totally different color, but … the change of the length of grass is just what kind of confused me.”

After relief was denied by the official, “JT” called for a second opinion. While waiting for another official to show up, Thomas was heard saying to his caddie Jim “Bones” Mackay, ““It’s the same exact length, this is not rough.”

When the second rules official came over, he said: “I can see the cutline right here,” and pointed to the different shades of grass that the other official mentioned.

Thomas accepted the decision.

Interestingly, announcer Paul Azinger shared his opinion that the second rules official almost never will disagree with the first rules official’s ruling.

“That second opinion almost never works,” Azinger said to Dan Hicks during the broadcast.

“Really?” Hicks asked.

“Never,” Azinger said. “Very rarely will an official go against another official.”

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Data shows how much more difficult green become as the day progresses

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For many a golf bettor, betting on the first round leader of any tournament revolves around the early starters.

Even a cursory look at this week’s Australian Open shows the morning wave averaging 1.73 shots better than the afternoon players, resulting in 18 early starters finishing in the top-10 by the end of the day, including current leader David Micheluzzi.

However, over on the South African Open, the roles are reversed, with current leader Thirston Lawrence taking up one of 15 places on the front page of leaderboard for the late starters, who shot around half-a-shot less than the morning groups.

Naturally, there are many factors – wind, temperature, dew, grass-types and, potentially, overall quality of the groupings, but these are variables that can change from day to day.

Step in Lou Stagner, data lead of Arccos Golf and all-round numbers guru.

Stagner does not deal in emotion or factors that cannot be measured. It’s facts, figures and that’s your lot!

He will tell you that from the fairway, 80-yards from the pin, professionals simply don’t get as close as many believe:

On Wednesday, the man who once built a Lego model of Augusta #12, tweeted a table showing the variance in putts made by PGA Tour members under morning and afternoon conditions.

Taking stats over 17 years, the table shows an advantage to the early starters, not by much, but enough to consider.

There are plenty of places to take the stats, with a few respondents asking for a table on grass types through the day – Bent v Bermuda v POA – and that will probably turn up on Stanger’s twitter feed soon.

Of course, on a Sunday, later starters have the pressure of trying to win a tournament, which is why we tend to see flashy rounds from those a few off the pace on Payday, but it is enough to consider when trying to get that illusive three-figure first (or second) round leader.

Either way, two-time major champion, and regular tweeter Justin Thomas, decided this was his chance to get in an early excuse when he’s off late in the day.

Make of what you will. Perhaps the stats will one day include how many of these are for par saves against birdie putts, or is that too much?

Either way, Stagner continues to bombard us with stats that delight and entertain, and that can be no bad thing. Unless you are a buddy of Lou’s…

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Cam Smith fumes at ‘pretty s****y’ opening round at Australian Open

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After an incredible week at the Fortinet Australian PGA Championship, Cameron Smith is off to a rough start at the Australian Open. The Champion Golfer of the Year struggled to hit fairways all day long and finished his round at +1 which is eight shots back of first-round leader David Micheluzzi (-7).

Smith, who received a massive ovation from the crowd, was extremely displeased, calling his play “pretty shitty” as he went from his post-round press conference to the practice range. The 29-year-old also said it was “as bad as I’ve played in a long time”.

“I don’t think it was a mixed bag, I think it was all rubbish to be honest,”

“Maybe some delayed tiredness, maybe. I did feel a little bit foggy out there at times, but it’s not really an excuse, it’s my job to do all that stuff.”

Despite the uninspiring round, the world number three still feels as if he can get back into the event and contend.

“It’s not like I don’t know how to play golf, it was just a bit of a bad day.”

“I’ve just got a few things to clean up, I think. Like I said last week [at the Australian PGA Championship], I felt as though the golf got better every day.”

The Aussie is incredible at recovery shots and finding his way out of trouble. But if he wants to be the first player to win the Australian PGA and Australian Open in the same season since 2011, he needs to start putting the ball in the fairway.

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