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‘Stay away in your fantasy land’ – Pro blasts LIV rebels over wanting to play PGA Tour events

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There have been a handful of golfers to speak out harshly against the LIV Golf defectors in recent months including Billy Horschel, Davis Love III, and Robert MacIntyre.

Joel Dahmen added his name to that list yesterday after eleven LIV members filed a lawsuit against the PGA TOUR.

In a tweet, Dahmen claimed to speak for “most tour players”.

In a follow up tweet, Dahmen clarified that his issue isn’t with players joining LIV Golf, it was with them attempting to still play on the PGA TOUR.

Harry Higgs was one tour pro to support Dahmen’s view, responding to his tweets saying: “Yeah take your cake elsewhere gents.”

Dahmen’s harsh words could be in part due to PGA TOUR Commissioner Jay Monahan’s statement, which asked current PGA TOUR members to “speak out publicly on the issue”.

“I also encourage you to speak out publicly on this issue, if you’re so inclined,” Monahan said in the letter where he accused LIV players of “trying to use lawyers to force their way into competition alongside our members.”

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  1. Pingback: PGA Tour accuses LIV rebels filing a lawsuit to play FedEx Cup of ‘fabricating an emergency’ – GolfWRX

  2. Dre Kitty

    Aug 6, 2022 at 7:42 pm

    Guys quite whining and worrying about what the guys who have actual careers do. Sorry Joel drunkered Dahmen or Harry Higgs not many people tune in to watch you fellas. Guys that earned their spot should get to do what they want. Quit being a hater, life is too short. These two couldn’t beat most the LIV guys week in week out. Facts matter… if you don’t think so look up their past finishes enough said

  3. Dom Swanson

    Aug 6, 2022 at 7:33 pm

    They earned the status they have period. They weren’t given anything. Just like eventually Joel day men will lose his tour card. It’s a fact he’ll be gone like half the tour that eventually fades away

  4. no one

    Aug 5, 2022 at 6:33 am

    They’ll get to play in the two Opens, but not Augusta and Players. It’s the only logical outcome. They’ll only get OWGR points exemptions, and ranking points will end up getting assigned to 54.

    Generally I agree they need to be in their own league. However, you can’t have an Open unless it’s open.

  5. AnotherDummyForTheTour

    Aug 4, 2022 at 4:08 pm

    Another kneepad wearing mouthpiece for the PGA Slavery Tour. It’s amazing how they don’t care when guys play on other non-PGA-affiliated tours, only LIV. Really interesting. I guess they’ll soon be banning all of those guys on the Outlaw Tour then right? How about the GPRO Tour? Minor League Tour? Nahh, they only care about LIV because it’s going to steal their cash cows and hurt their monopoly. I bet if a player on the Outlaw Tour Monday Qualified for a PGA Tour event, they wouldn’t say a word. Courts will see the discrimination in letting other guys from other tours play, but not LIV. Dahmen should have some of that cake.

    • Deez

      Aug 4, 2022 at 10:34 pm

      Yea, they haven’t stolen any cash cows as of yet. Good try though Kneepad wearing mouthpiece for the LIV Tour as you so eloquently put it.

    • 2stupid4words...

      Aug 7, 2022 at 6:26 am

      “Another kneepad wearing mouthpiece”, congrats on being able to self identify…

  6. PJ

    Aug 4, 2022 at 1:43 pm

    Sorry but I could care less what average PGA players think. The PGA screwed up by saying “these guys are independent contractors”. That will be used against them in court and either the PGA will win or they won’t. At the end of the day athletes go to the team that pays them more money. Like it or not that’s how it works. They don’t play for trophies. They play for money. If they paid for trophies they wouldn’t take the paycheck that comes with it. One thing is for sure it will get interesting.

    • PJ sharp as a spoon

      Aug 7, 2022 at 7:00 am

      Except they did have a contract, as independent contractors would with an employer and don’t have any ‘right’ to come begging back, much less sue to try and get back…

  7. Mike

    Aug 4, 2022 at 1:19 pm

    Would love to know outside of Tiger who actually turned down LIV offers? If I’m Joel Dahmen and I’m offered $20m plus the chance of winning millions more, realistically dude, that’s his lucrative as it’s going to get. Unless he plans on playing golf for the next 30 years through the champions tour. Everyone has to make their own individual decisions about these things

    • Ned

      Aug 5, 2022 at 6:22 am

      I’m with you I think most of the guys going negative on the LIV tour is because they haven’t got an offer. What the problem here just let everybody play were ever their qualified to play. Funny how Jay M of of a sudden found millions to add to the purses and started making changes to the schedule.

  8. Casual Fan

    Aug 4, 2022 at 11:46 am

    Who?

    • Chuck

      Aug 4, 2022 at 12:58 pm

      Joel Dahmen.
      3-time PGATour winner.
      Generally Top-100 OWGR (currently a little outside that) which makes him higher-ranked than about 30 of the LIV “tour” members.

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PGA Tour accuses LIV rebels filing a lawsuit to play FedEx Cup of ‘fabricating an emergency’

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The ‘LIV 11’ lawsuit was always going to make public the internal rows and wrangling between players, organizers and the various tours.

Amongst the 11, three players – Talor Gooch, Matt Jones and Hudson Swafford – are seeking a TRO (temporary restraining order) in order to be able to play the FedEx Cup events, starting on Thursday.

As reported last week, the complaint from the LIV players alleges that being denied access to the FedEx Cup Playoffs not only would prevent Gooch, Swafford and Jones from playing in those events but “also cripples their chances of qualifying for both the Majors and the Tour’s premier invitationals in future seasons. The punishment that would accrue to these players from not being able to play in the FedEx Cup Playoffs is substantial and irreparable, and a temporary restraining order is needed to prevent the irreparable harm that would ensue were they not to be able to participate.”

The PGA Tour yesterday issued its response to the accusation, the 30-plus page document stating that “the TRO plaintiffs waited nearly two months to seek relief from the court, “fabricating an emergency they now maintain requires immediate action.”

The PGA Tour continues:

“Despite knowing full well that they would breach Tour Regulations and be suspended for doing so, plaintiffs have joined competing golf league LIV Golf, which has paid them tens and hundreds of millions of dollars in guaranteed money supplied by Saudi Arabia’s sovereign wealth fund to procure their breaches. TRO plaintiffs now run into court seeking a mandatory injunction to force their way into the Tour’s season-ending FedExCup Playoffs, an action that would harm all Tour members that follow the rules. The antitrust laws do not allow Plaintiffs to have their cake and eat it too.”

The tour uses several statements from the plaintiffs in its defence.

When asked if he knew the tour would ban him from the tour for playing without a conflicting event-release, Jones said, “you’ve got to expect” it and acknowledged the possibility of never playing on the PGA Tour again after his suspension. “I did come to this [LIV] series and this tournament with the understanding that could be the case.”

The tour also argues against Gooch’s statement at the Open Championship that he only intended to play a single LIV event before getting suspended, the tour believing that he was intending to play more than the inaugural event at the Centurion Club.

Alongside those objections, the PGA Tour object to the accusation of pressuring sponsors to cancel existing deals with LIV players, that it enlisted the more experienced players, such as Tiger Woods, to intimidate players from joining, and that it colluded with the DP World Tour in its reaction to the defections.

The document ends, “For the foregoing reasons, the PGA Tour respectfully requests that the court deny TRO.”

Elliot Peters of Keker, Van Nest & Peters, representing the PGA Tour, confirmed the stance being taken by the leading tour.

“The players’ participation in the LIV league is in violation of the PGA Tour’s Handbook and Tournament Regulations,” he stated.

“For enormous sums of cash supplied by Saudi Arabia’s sovereign wealth fund, Plaintiffs willfully breached their agreements with the PGA Tour. The players’ purported harm is entirely self-induced. We will litigate this case vigorously to preserve the reputation of the PGA Tour and protect the benefits it offers to players.”

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‘Grow the game? Bullsh*t. They paid me a lot of money’ – Feherty on reasons why he joined LIV

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In the past few months, the golfers who’ve chosen to join LIV Golf have faced extreme criticism by media, fans and fellow players.

The fact that the money is being sourced by the Saudi Government has been one of the main points of contention as well as the fact the events feel like more of an exhibition than a professional golf event.

However, one of the other criticisms that have been echoed quite often is the lack of honesty of those who have joined LIV Golf. Many have claimed their reason for joining was to “grow the game” or for a new and unique experience. Even those who have been supportive of LIV would have a hard time claiming that those were the most influential factors of those who’ve left.

David Feherty, who made his LIV Golf debut at Trump Bedminster two weeks ago isn’t among those who are sugarcoating their reasons for joining the Saudi-backed golf series.

In a recent interview with Gary Koch, the eccentric TV personality admitted money was his primary motivator when asked by the host why he made the move:

“Money. People don’t talk about it. I hear, ‘Well, it’s to grow the game. Bullsh*t. They paid me a lot of money.”

Feherty also expressed that the opportunity to be himself again was another reason he was excited to join LIV.

“It was an opportunity to be myself again,” he said. “It’s become more and more difficult, especially in sports broadcasting, to have any kind of character. Charles Barkley can say pretty much anything he wants, because it’s, ‘Oh, that’s just Charles.’ And it is just Charles. But I have become more and more guarded over the last few years.”

As for critics who Feherty feels are ‘hoping to be offended by something’, Feherty did not mince his words, saying:

“There are people waiting around every corner hoping to be offended by something. F*** those people. Our lives are being shaped by small groups of mean-spirited people who have no sense of humor. We’re in danger of losing our national sense of humor because of this.”

Feherty was also asked about the source of the money and Saudi Arabia’s ties to 9/11.

“The 9 /11 Commission said that the Saudi government wasn’t involved,” the 63-year-old said.

“People that criticize are doing business with China, doing business with Russia. China, in particular, is a country where they’re murdering Uyghurs left, right, and centre, and their human rights record is horrendous.

“You can point to various countries throughout the world. I wouldn’t want to behave like that, but wherever golf is, good happens, and I’m hoping this will do the same thing. [LIV] has said it’s going to donate $100 million to area charities.”

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Gary Player accuses son of unauthorized sale of his memorabilia

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This morning, Gary Player issued a statement via his Twitter account. According to the statement, Gary’s son, Marc has been auctioning off trophies and memorabilia without his father’s permission.

This isn’t the first dispute between Player and his son, Marc. Back in 2020, the nine-time major champion won a settlement in court against Marc. Player got $5 million and the rights to his name and likeness back from a company operated by Marc in a Florida lawsuit.

The Player family are no strangers to controversy, with Gary’s other son, Wayne, banned from the Masters for life after pulling a guerrilla marketing stunt during the opening ceremony tee shots back in 2021.

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