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‘You like apples?’ – Greg Norman takes bullish shot at PGA Tour over LIV poll numbers

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CEO of LIV Golf and former superstar Greg Norman took a shot at the PGA Tour via social media on Wednesday.

Sports Illustrated “Morning Read” shared a Harris Poll that indicated younger U.S. golf fans are open to the LIV Golf series despite its controversial source of funding.

Norman commented on social media with a link to the poll while tagging the PGA Tour’s official accounts, saying, “@pgatour you like apples??”

The line is, of course, in reference to a scene in the 1997 classic film Good Will Hunting, and Norman then doubled down on his bullish aim at the tour with a gif of one of follow up lines from Matt Damon’s character:

The results of the Harris Poll were extremely interesting.

According to Sports Illustrated, “Younger Americans are more aware of, more interested in and more open to the LIV tour, according to our polling — and the split is sharp. So while 40% of those 45 years old and younger are familiar with LIV, as opposed to 35% of the overall population, that figure falls to 27% among those aged 55 and over. And while 55% of U.S. adults familiar with the league plan to watch an LIV event, that number rises to more than 7 in 10 (71%) among those aged 18-34.”

The source of the funding for LIV has generated vigorous debate in recent months. The poll results indicated that younger golf fans aren’t as concerned with the Saudi money as the older generation. Among those aware that LIV Golf is funded by foreign government investments, a majority (52%) of those 45 and younger have no issues the arrangement, while those aged 55 and older report far more often that they disapprove.

There were plenty of other interesting results from the polling.

  • Those aware of LIV Golf’s funding sources are nearly evenly split about it (35% oppose the relationship while 36% support it).
  • By a nearly 2 to 1 margin, Americans say that professional sports funders’ identities have no bearing on whether or not they watch. “In much the same way that sports fans are able to keep rooting for their team even if individual players have personal issues, it seems that they are willing to suspend judgment about a league even if its sponsors have poor reputations. This leaves open the question, however, of how potent attempts at “sportswashing” could be: If consumers are able to separate sporting events from their sponsors, it could run the other way, with leagues not transferring their positive reputations back to their funders.”
  • Among golf fans aware of the PGA Tour’s suspensions, 45% support the decision.

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  1. Brian

    Jul 20, 2022 at 4:02 pm

    Millennials and Gen Z are the least woke woke people I’ve ever seen.

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  5. Amy Mick

    Jul 14, 2022 at 8:28 pm

    Doesn’t matter if your product is trash. And it is. Your poster boy Mickelson is +20 through two events and the majority of the field is filled with guys competing in the mid ams across the country. It’s minor league senior circuit chip and putt member guest stuff.

    • Will

      Jul 18, 2022 at 9:52 am

      Nothing like -20 under major of a pitch and putt goat ranch but hey why not, it’s the “home of golf” after all

    • Tommy

      Jul 18, 2022 at 4:16 pm

      It’s amazing to watch all the virtue signaling from the media and the PGA Tour regarding the LIV golf’s funding from the Saudis while there is virtually nothing said about the LPGA’s involvement with them. Did it occur to any of these pundits that the PGA Tour is also doing business with dozens of companies who much more than collaborated with the Nazi regime. Those companies not only helped the Nazi war effort but also used slave labor from concentration camps, etc., in many cases working the prisoners to death. These are not only German companies who profited from their business with the Nazis, but American companies as well. A very short list of the companies involved are some that we hear from in their advertising during every commercial break; Ford, DuPont, IBM, Allianz, Hugo Boss, Volkswagen, Bayer, Siemens, Chase Bank, GE, GM, BASF, Standard Oil/Chevron, Kodak and many others. How do they reconcile this fact and claim to hold some sort of moral high ground over LIV Golf. I’m not particularly happy with what LIV is doing to the game, but this is straight-up hypocrisy at its worst. Clean up your house before condemning someone else’s business practices.

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  9. Greg

    Jul 13, 2022 at 10:29 pm

    Norman can back out of LIV or he’ll end up in 2 Hefty bags.

  10. Barry

    Jul 12, 2022 at 11:29 pm

    Don’t care if LIV is the last golf shown on planet earth, I’ll never watch one second.

    • NFG

      Jul 13, 2022 at 1:58 pm

      Nobody cares fairy Barry.

    • Willl

      Jul 18, 2022 at 9:54 am

      Yeah and the pga tour awarding those terrible Saudi backed petrodollars

    • Jock Hutchison

      Jul 19, 2022 at 10:37 am

      This I agree with 1000%.

    • Tiger

      Jul 24, 2022 at 10:52 am

      Oh no! I’ll inform them of your momentous decision.

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  13. Paul Runyan

    Jul 3, 2022 at 1:45 pm

    I’m sure he won’t be playing much golf for awhile, The Don.

    He’s going to be too busy running for 2024. Or, hiding in Israel. (humor) sort of…

    Who cares anyway about the WUT. The Washed Up Tour

  14. Paul

    Jul 3, 2022 at 12:10 am

    What I like about LIV is I can watch it on YouTube the day of the event. PGA tour also doesn’t pay everyone that plays.
    If Saudi money funding this is bad, then China money funding anything at all is so much worse. All most people can tell you about Saudi Arabia is they killed a journalist. What people can tell you about China is they are an admitted slave state with over 1 million slaves, and that’s just the start.

    • Bob

      Jul 4, 2022 at 7:33 pm

      And were complicit in 911.

    • Thomas Woodward

      Jul 5, 2022 at 6:50 pm

      You ARE 100% correct! What many people don’t know about the CCP. They have sex slave camps where they are raping middle eastern women everyday in their attempts to GROW a ‘superior race” much like Nazi Germany during the dictatorship of Adolph Hitler. The Chines people are inherently BEAUTIFUL, (I’m married to one), but the Chinese Government is the WORST oxygen wasters on the planet…

      • Funkadelic

        Jul 11, 2022 at 1:05 pm

        Chinese people aren’t very attractive. As Asians go the Japanese and South Koreas are by far a better liking people.

      • Himmler

        Jul 12, 2022 at 12:01 pm

        Muh Nazis.
        You’re a fool.

    • geohogan

      Jul 10, 2022 at 9:33 am

      Agreed, everyone should dump whatever, China funds
      Prime example is the over $1 trillion in US treasury bonds owned by China…
      Who is your DADDY, America.

  15. Paul Booij

    Jul 3, 2022 at 12:06 am

    Nah, they are all almost the same. Your’s look cooler, I will admit.

  16. Mark

    Jul 2, 2022 at 9:15 pm

    LIV Tour: Bonesaws and Class!

  17. Mark

    Jul 2, 2022 at 9:13 pm

    That Saudi scud missile every Saturday night must be intense, Greg. Good for you.

  18. Goobers

    Jul 1, 2022 at 5:47 pm

    It is boring golf and a shotgun start. Basically a solo member guest with team points along the way.

    • Gerry T

      Jul 1, 2022 at 8:31 pm

      Actually,compared with the PGA arrogant tour, the LIV is actually the breath of fresh air I needed. Watching PXG commercials is about like watching wet paint dry. It’s like PXG owns the Golf Channel. Yawn!

      • Bob Parsons

        Jul 2, 2022 at 7:41 pm

        Ya but nobody makes clubs like we do!

        • Paul Booij

          Jul 3, 2022 at 12:05 am

          Nah, they are all almost the same. Your’s look cooler, I will admit.

    • Thomas Woodward

      Jul 5, 2022 at 6:55 pm

      CLEARLY, your IQ is about -50 and it SHOWS…

      • Prime21

        Jul 5, 2022 at 9:25 pm

        Says the guy who hit post again because he didn’t see his post quickly enough for his liking. Multiple posts about IQ levels & syndromes, stop trying so hard bro. LIV is WEAK, players are washed. If you’re SO into it why haven’t you been to an event in person yet? Go watch the Diluted Tour with no cut, team events, last place pay, probably all things you believe in. Also, don’t watch any of the majors this year either cause the players are boring, the format is old, & its just not your kind of event. Get a grip man.

  19. Jolter

    Jul 1, 2022 at 4:16 pm

    At this point, Norman should just hold his tongue. Even though the Saudi’s have deep pockets, he has nothing to crow about until 2-3 years down the line if his league is not only still in existence, but flourishing.

  20. Leo

    Jul 1, 2022 at 11:28 am

    I dislike Greg Norman being involved more than who funds the tour.
    Money is money these guys are independent contractors who just hit the lottery

    • Gerry T

      Jul 1, 2022 at 8:33 pm

      It’s commentary like this that turn me off to the PGA Tour airhead. Thanks for clearing the air for me. I fully support Greg over the yawn tour.

    • geohogan

      Jul 10, 2022 at 9:37 am

      Like Julia Roberts in Pretty Woman, they are whores aka independent contractors, who struck “oil”

  21. geohogan

    Jul 1, 2022 at 11:00 am

    Younger Americans… millenials(Gen Y)
    grew up with “Participation trophies”

    “no cut” golf tours, with millions for simply showing up…
    “participation trophy world” meant for four year olds, comes to prime time.

  22. Mike

    Jul 1, 2022 at 10:49 am

    The LIV League is exhibition golf. Nothing more. Nothing less.They are the Harlem Globetrotter’s of golf.

    • Brian

      Jul 1, 2022 at 11:36 am

      So it’s more entertaining? Is that what you’re saying?

      • Eric

        Jul 1, 2022 at 12:47 pm

        Yea sure thing “brian”

        • GaGolfer

          Jul 1, 2022 at 1:06 pm

          I guess we know what “Brian” would be watching if the GTs were on opposite the NBA playoffs. Says a lot.

      • Mike

        Jul 2, 2022 at 12:07 am

        Not from my perspective. I saw the Harlem Globtrotter’s once when I was a kid. They were fantastic entertainers, but as good as Meadowlark Lemon and Curley, etc. were, once was enough for me. They weren’t playing for anything. There was no competition to be better than their opponents. I don’t see how the LIV league is any different. They have all been paid. It’s no-cut. What is their incentive to go out and practice everyday so they can make it to the weekend?

        The players on the Celtics and the Warriors make boatloads of money. When it’s all said and done they want to be able to raise the championship trophy on national television. The LIV league doesn’t have that legacy (or public acceptance/following).

    • Thomas Woodward

      Jul 1, 2022 at 12:06 pm

      YO Mike, LOL!!! Your ‘woke’ comment speaks volumes about YOU! Personally, I’m a 72 year old golf fanatic and play 3 times a week and I LOVE the LIV Golf Tour! It’s a MUCH better format, the competition is two fold, NO CUTS, and watching the streamed telecast on my laptop, NO COMMERCIALS, it’s just enjoyable nonstop golfing action. BTW, these players put on a great show and there’s ALWAYS some excellent shotmaking to enjoy!…

      • Thomas Woodbored

        Jul 13, 2022 at 4:20 pm

        Figured out why Thomas here loves LIV so much… guy can’t stay awake long enough for the PGA

    • geohogan

      Jul 1, 2022 at 5:24 pm

      Though it’s money that will make the monkey dance
      Yes, it’s money that will make the monkey dance
      And it’s money that will make the monkey dance
      Yes, it’s money that will make the monkey, monkey
      Monkey dance

      • Thomas Woodward

        Jul 5, 2022 at 7:00 pm

        Your comment reeks of indoctro-procto syndrome affliction ignorance which equates to a intelligence level so low, it hasn’t been established yet….

  23. Smitts

    Jul 1, 2022 at 10:37 am

    This seems like celebrating while sitting on a big 3rd round lead at a major (let’s use the Masters for fun). A nice story but not really a win yet. This is Greg Norman, so it’s hardly a sure thing

  24. Chuck

    Jun 30, 2022 at 8:23 am

    It seemed to me that younger respondents had much more awareness of the LIV Tour, but only marginally more actual favorability.

    It’s an interesting age-dividing line (45); I don’t think of people in their 40’s as “young”, and indeed golfers in their 40’s might identify more with tour players of their own age (Perez, Westwood, etc.) who are of that same age, and who are likewise past their prime as championship players.

    To me, it’s a pity that Harris did not poll, or SI did not report, whether respondents were broken down by political affiliation and/or support for Trump. In the comments pages here, it seems to me that that’s a major divisional marker.

    • Mike

      Jun 30, 2022 at 2:08 pm

      Wow, it’s a damn shame some people can’t write a response without alluding to Trump. It’s amazing how he’s gotten into people’s heads!

      • Chuck

        Jul 1, 2022 at 1:26 pm

        It’s amazing how Trump has gotten into the LIV Tour.

        No, wait; it’s not amazing at all. It’s got “Trump” all over it. He’s hosting the LIV Tour season-ending event. It feels a lot like his ill-fated involvement in the USFL:

        https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/09/opinion/when-trump-made-the-usfl-great-again.html

        • The Donald

          Jul 2, 2022 at 12:59 pm

          Someone has Trump derangement syndrome.

          • Chuck

            Jul 5, 2022 at 1:53 pm

            “The Donald” makes an accusation of “Trump Derangement Syndrome.” You can’t make this stuff up.

            I get a lot of that. Trump defenders attacking the messenger, with nothing to say about the substance of the message.

            Let me add this; I really and truly think that we are still in a rather innocent phase, of this LIV argument. When the LIV show actually arrives at Trump courses for events, it is going to get a thousand times more intense.

            • The Donald

              Jul 10, 2022 at 10:33 am

              Someone still has Trump derangement syndrome. Derp derp

              • Chuck

                Jul 18, 2022 at 10:07 pm

                Right on schedule, Donald Trump fails to resist the urge to make LIV events all about him.

                This will get much, much worse.

                Trump will continue to spout off about the LIV events and his courses, and he will end up making it about him even if the LIV guys don’t really like it. (I suspect many of them LOVE Trump weighing in.)

                And of course it will be the kind of spectacle that the PGA Tour wanted to avoid, when they pulled out of Doral. It’s what the R&A sought to avoid when they pulled Turnberry off the Open rota. And it’s what the PGA wanted to avoid when they broke off the PGA Championship contract.

                PR chaos, division, distraction from the event… it’s all there, and it is what golf’s responsible ruling bodies wanted to avoid. But which Greg Norman’s public relations stunt loves

        • JPH

          Jul 20, 2022 at 1:15 pm

          What’s worse – is you have a US President actively supporting and promoting the group that executed 9/11 – 11 of the 15 involved in 9/11 were Saudis. If that isn’t fucked-up and a major black mark (and embarrassment) on the US as a country – I’m not sure what is.

    • George Jerry

      Jul 1, 2022 at 4:32 am

      Trumps hosting LIV events.

    • Vas

      Jul 1, 2022 at 10:03 am

      Yeah, I think it’s safe to say that 90% of professional golfers themselves don’t exactly identify as “progressive”. Give that other 10% about 3 years of hiring accountants and filling out tax forms in 20 different states.

      • SHAD HUGH GOLDSTON

        Jul 5, 2022 at 5:46 pm

        Paying taxes is just legalized theft. Liberals are a cancer on this nation

    • geohogan

      Jul 1, 2022 at 5:38 pm

      Generation Y grew up with “Participation Trophies”
      “no cut”, so called tournaments suit their
      narcissistic personality; just as the Donald
      suits their politics.

      • geohogan

        Jul 22, 2022 at 1:59 pm

        Trump cheats more than Patrick Read.
        Just what Thomas “foot wedge” Woodword likes to see.

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Report: LIV likely to win battle for world ranking points thanks to ‘strategic alliance’ with minor tour

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According to the Telegraph, LIV Golf has found a path to securing OWGR points.

The report indicates that LIV is forming a “strategic alliance” with the MENA (Middle East and North Africa) Tour. In theory, this would allow the players to earn world ranking points starting this week at LIV Bangkok.

In turn, the alliance with LIV will give the struggling MENA Tour a path to relevance. The current OWGR rule indicates that a tour must have the majority of it’s events with a cut. It would seem that the LIV events will be the in the minority of events plays, with the regular MENA Tour events starting to ramp back up after LIV Bangkok.

“No Laying Up” holds the opinion that this move by LIV won’t grant them OWGR points right away.

The OWGR has not released a statement as of yet regarding this turn of events.

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Analyst and close friend says Tiger ‘might surprise everybody’ this fall

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There has been plenty of negative speculation regarding Tiger Woods ability to play competitive golf in the future. It was viewed as a troubling sign that Woods wasn’t able to attend to Presidents Cup due to “physical limitations” and instead had to conference with American team captain Davis Love III over the phone.

Then, it was rumored that he “didn’t look right” while caddying for his son Charlie at a tournament.

However, there seems to be a glimmer of hope for Tiger fans as his good friend Notah Begay III just speculated that Woods may “surprise everybody” while on SiriusXM PGA TOUR Radio.

When asked the next time we will see the 15-time major champion play. Begay said:

“I’m fairly certain it’s going to be at the PNC [Championship] with Charlie. Charlie’s starting to play a few more events – he played in one of my junior golf tour events last weekend, which was great to see him shoot his career-low round 68 with Tiger on the bag so that was kind of cool to be able to see that.”

More importantly, Begay said that Tiger is still looking for ways to improve the condition of his leg.

“Tiger’s just steadily trying to find ways to get a little bit more stability in his leg,” he said. “It was really presenting some major challenges at St. Andrews. I had a chance to talk with him during the round out there and it’s just constant discomfort so it’s hard to focus on golf, which is hard enough, much less having to deal with the literal pain of your leg aching throughout the day.

“I know that as soon as he feels like he can be competitive because I think he got a good taste of what it’s going to take this past year, we’ll see him. We might see him one time this fall, he might surprise everybody.”

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Golf mad parents name newborn child after a golf club

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Last week we reported on a golf obsessed couple, and their Masters themed wedding. Cute it may have been, but there was something a little over the top about it.

If you think it couldn’t get worse, how about naming your newborn child after a golf club and dressing his hospital bed with golf bedding?

Social media site reddit.com yesterday hosted a photo taken by user ‘jellybloom17’ and caused an obvious reaction.

Welcome to the world, Driver. I know there is a joke here and I know what it is. You make it tho. And go! from golf

Yep, the parents swaddled the baby in a golf-themed blanket and photographed him on a duvet, with the name ‘Driver’ plastered in giant letters.

Reddit users were confused and astounded, with one claiming that:

“I wasn’t sure what the green blob in front of the car was,” before realising, ” it was a golf course.”

“They didn’t name him after a person who operates a motor vehicle. They named him after a golf club!”

Hence the title of the original post – “Welcome to the world, Driver.”

Others questioned the naming, whilst there were doubts if the child grows up not to enjoy the sport:

“What if he grows up and hates golf?” was one comment, whilst another poster concluded, “Probably should not name your kids after sports.”

Either way, it would be good to hear what siblings Nineiron, Wedge and Teepeg say on the matter.

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