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‘Bullsh*t of an excuse’ – Tennis legend blasts ‘pathetic’ LIV Golf players

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On the eve of the RBC Canadian Open and the Scandinavian Mixed events on either side of the water, the LIV Golf International Series continues to hog the headlines.

Impossible to ignore, it seems everyone has a view on the moral rights, or wrongs, of taking part in the Saudi-backed series, and current and former sports legends are of no exception.

Martina Navratilova, 18-time Grand Slam champion, was prompted to make her views known after Graeme McDowell’s response to one reporter’s question this week.

Under intense scrutiny at the press conference, G-Mac was asked about the controversial Saudi funding and admitted that the “Khashoggi situation was reprehensible,” before saying that “we are proud to help Saudi if they want to use golf to get to where they want to be.”

The nine-time Wimbledon ladies champion didn’t hide her feelings and called the comments, “pathetic”, adding, in frustration, “How exactly is golf going to help women in Saudi?!”

Explaining further her view on political morals over cash, the nine-time Wimbledon champ made clear her own experiences when invited to play at a controversial event.

“In the 80’s, Chris (Evert) and I were offered a lot of money to play an exhibition in South Africa and we refused. Something called #principle made that an easy decision,” she wrote, before saying “I am so disappointed with my fellow athletes for doing this… seems everybody has a price.”

 

And so it goes on…..

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  1. Purveyor a truith

    Jun 25, 2022 at 3:33 pm

    Lol at all these idiots who have never paid one bit of attention to the fact that the DP World Tour, in conjunction with the PGA Tour, has been playing golf in Dubai, South Africa, and Russia for ages. But NOW it’s reprehensible. Brainwashed dum-dums.

  2. Gianni daddi

    Jun 15, 2022 at 11:47 am

    Hey Gianni wanna post my comments? Or nah?? Too much of a little puss????? Who else? Grwxmod, that jobless childless female dog???

  3. How

    Jun 14, 2022 at 8:47 am

    Are we ok with the PGA sanctioned Saudi Aramco tour funded by the same people though? How does that work?

  4. Michael

    Jun 10, 2022 at 11:00 am

    I don’t think I ever saw a page on this website so filled with ridiculous, irrelevant comments from wannabe tough guys.Have some self-respect boys.

    • Just an Opinion

      Jun 10, 2022 at 2:33 pm

      I have to agree with you. Martina is as qualified as anyone to comment of this “situation” Character and integrity used to stand for something. But to paraphrase Martina, seems almost everyone has a price.

      I don’t believe these guys have thought this through though. Apparently, the LIV Tour has applied for OWRP though the Asian Tour. But LIV is an invitational Tour, with 54 hole events, and a shotgun start it feels more like a member-member than anything else. What points could they possible expect to earn in a format like LIV’s?

      It’ll also be interesting to see if LIV will have any effect on equipment and clothing contracts. I’m sure TaylorMade and Adidas pay DJ an obscene amount of money because he’s going to play 15-20 events on the PGA Tour. 8 events in the LIV Tour hardly gives them the same ROI.

      Then of course, we all know the Saudis are notorious for not paying their bills so what happens when the Saudis have decided they’ve had enough and take their money and go home? The PGA Tour will hardly welcome them with open arms. Nor should they.

      • geohogan

        Jun 10, 2022 at 5:34 pm

        The latest report is over the top.Cant be true?

        Dustin Johnson, changes his name to BJ.

      • Thomas Woodward

        Jun 10, 2022 at 9:09 pm

        CLEARLY, forums have many demented folks posting ignorance because they’re too indoctrinated to see the ENTIRE picture. EVERY pro golfer, male, or female SHOULD be FREE to PLAY on ANY tour in the world with it being men vs. men and women vs. women competition. NO trans allowed since these are BIRTH gender created venues. IMHO, the tryannical PGA Tour boneheaded CEO made a HUGE mistake suspending and banning LIV participants from their STALE and rip-off golf tour and from what I see, only indoctrinated players have an issue with the LIV Tour. It’s so sad the world these days are LOADED with YDFC, uneducated morons who DON’T have a clue…

  5. ForeignAgentsofDictators

    Jun 10, 2022 at 9:00 am

    Saudi agents and NK, Chinese and russian agents posting on here trying to stir up the masses.

  6. Pingback: ‘It makes me want to puke’ – Chamblee rips LIV Golf stars in scathing attack – GolfWRX

  7. KC Scott

    Jun 9, 2022 at 6:34 pm

    Look, it’s simple. Money makes the world go round, and pro golfers want as much as they can get for competing. They play one less round and there are no cuts, so it’s guaranteed money in their pockets. And on top of huge payouts, they’re on teams that make extra cash above and beyond the standard purse. The “tour” can say and do what they want to these so-called “rebels” resigning from their tour, but it is golf and people are going to watch these major winning players play golf. Period. ??????

  8. Tom Kay

    Jun 9, 2022 at 10:31 am

    I was waiting in anticipation for Martina’s opinion about the LIV.

  9. PJ

    Jun 9, 2022 at 10:11 am

    Why are we reading about what some has-been thinks? She doesn’t play golf so who gives one F what her opinion is? Same for that Brit Eamon Whatshisnutts. Hey Golf WRX we do not care what these morons think.

  10. PGA is the Cuck Tour

    Jun 9, 2022 at 7:16 am

    So Martina, are you against brining in refugees from the Middle East? They come from a regressive primative culture just like these evil Saudis.

  11. Ned

    Jun 9, 2022 at 6:15 am

    Well Martina unless all your vehicles are electric you support them buying fuel.

    • Mhil Pickelson

      Jun 9, 2022 at 1:00 pm

      That’s the dumbest thing ive ever heard

      Drive a per trip or diesel car?

      That means you support state backed murder

      Some people are sooo stupid

      • Max Turner

        Jun 9, 2022 at 8:44 pm

        If we feel so bad toward Saudi Arabia we should stop buying their oil.
        Let the guys go play, It a free world, or is it ????

        • Michael

          Jun 10, 2022 at 10:58 am

          Obviously, no one is stopping anyone who wants to play LIV golf so your comment is just ignorant.

          In life, there are consequences for your actions. Play LIV golf is fine. No one is stopping anyone, but to expect the PGA Tour to still allow you the benefit of their organization makes it clear you are the fool or you lack any sense of self-respect.

          When you get in bed with foul smelling, poop covered people and expect to wake up smelling like perfume, you are the moron, not the people who said this will cost you. Any of you that think Norman and MBS dont fit that description to a tee must be just like them. Both have long established histories accurately described by my assessment and personal experience.

          Most of the responses on this page amply demonstrate the me first, screw you attitude that pervades America. It’s not surprising at all. You guys will screw anything that breathes, including yourselves.

          I fully expect to be verbally assaulted for my comment soif it makes you feel like big strong powerful men bring it on losers. Feel free to shovel your manure at me. Have a nice day kids!

      • Ned

        Jun 10, 2022 at 6:37 am

        Your absolutely right that’s one stupid name. Your name isn’t Martina Navratilova I’m not address you so butt out.

    • Dundundun

      Jun 10, 2022 at 2:51 am

      Have you ever flown in a plane??? Do you take vacations to far off places in electric planes, do you? What about ships and boats??? You ever got in an electric cruise ship to go down the coast, have you?? LOL

      • Ned

        Jun 10, 2022 at 6:41 am

        I assumed the word vehicles would mean cars guess not. I will spell out out “CARS”.

      • Ned

        Jun 10, 2022 at 6:44 am

        I assumed the word vehicles meant cars just not. So let me spell it out for you “CARS”

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‘What’s going on?’ – Justin Thomas left frustrated with two officials over ruling at Hero

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During Thursday’s first round of the Hero World Challenge, Justin Thomas called for a rules official and subsequently, a second opinion, on the par-5 9th at Albany Golf Club.

The players were playing lift-clean-and-place, and Thomas’ ball came to rest about 5o yards short of the green in an area where it was difficult to identify if the ball was sitting in the fairway or the rough. The ball had gathered some mud, so if the rules official had decided that his ball was in fact in the rough, he would have to hit a pretty difficult shot given the condition on his golf ball.

“Basically, what’s going on?” Thomas asked the official.

The official told Thomas that the change of color in the grass was indicative of the change of fairway to rough, and therefore he would have to hit his ball as it lied. Thomas argued that the grass was cut to the same length in both spots, therefore the color didn’t matter.

“But you see, what I’m saying, this is also beat down from the carts, but look at how much longer this is than this,” he said before walking over to the thicker grass. “Like see, this is the same height [where his ball was and the apparent fairway.] I totally see it’s down grain and it’s a totally different color, but … the change of the length of grass is just what kind of confused me.”

After relief was denied by the official, “JT” called for a second opinion. While waiting for another official to show up, Thomas was heard saying to his caddie Jim “Bones” Mackay, ““It’s the same exact length, this is not rough.”

When the second rules official came over, he said: “I can see the cutline right here,” and pointed to the different shades of grass that the other official mentioned.

Thomas accepted the decision.

Interestingly, announcer Paul Azinger shared his opinion that the second rules official almost never will disagree with the first rules official’s ruling.

“That second opinion almost never works,” Azinger said to Dan Hicks during the broadcast.

“Really?” Hicks asked.

“Never,” Azinger said. “Very rarely will an official go against another official.”

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Data shows how much more difficult greens become as the day progresses

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For many a golf bettor, betting on the first round leader of any tournament revolves around the early starters.

Even a cursory look at this week’s Australian Open shows the morning wave averaging 1.73 shots better than the afternoon players, resulting in 18 early starters finishing in the top-10 by the end of the day, including current leader David Micheluzzi.

However, over on the South African Open, the roles are reversed, with current leader Thirston Lawrence taking up one of 15 places on the front page of leaderboard for the late starters, who shot around half-a-shot less than the morning groups.

Naturally, there are many factors – wind, temperature, dew, grass-types and, potentially, overall quality of the groupings, but these are variables that can change from day to day.

Step in Lou Stagner, data lead of Arccos Golf and all-round numbers guru.

Stagner does not deal in emotion or factors that cannot be measured. It’s facts, figures and that’s your lot!

He will tell you that from the fairway, 80-yards from the pin, professionals simply don’t get as close as many believe:

On Wednesday, the man who once built a Lego model of Augusta #12, tweeted a table showing the variance in putts made by PGA Tour members under morning and afternoon conditions.

Taking stats over 17 years, the table shows an advantage to the early starters, not by much, but enough to consider.

There are plenty of places to take the stats, with a few respondents asking for a table on grass types through the day – Bent v Bermuda v POA – and that will probably turn up on Stanger’s twitter feed soon.

Of course, on a Sunday, later starters have the pressure of trying to win a tournament, which is why we tend to see flashy rounds from those a few off the pace on Payday, but it is enough to consider when trying to get that illusive three-figure first (or second) round leader.

Either way, two-time major champion, and regular tweeter Justin Thomas, decided this was his chance to get in an early excuse when he’s off late in the day.

Make of what you will. Perhaps the stats will one day include how many of these are for par saves against birdie putts, or is that too much?

Either way, Stagner continues to bombard us with stats that delight and entertain, and that can be no bad thing. Unless you are a buddy of Lou’s…

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Cam Smith fumes at ‘pretty s****y’ opening round at Australian Open

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After an incredible week at the Fortinet Australian PGA Championship, Cameron Smith is off to a rough start at the Australian Open. The Champion Golfer of the Year struggled to hit fairways all day long and finished his round at +1 which is eight shots back of first-round leader David Micheluzzi (-7).

Smith, who received a massive ovation from the crowd, was extremely displeased, calling his play “pretty shitty” as he went from his post-round press conference to the practice range. The 29-year-old also said it was “as bad as I’ve played in a long time”.

“I don’t think it was a mixed bag, I think it was all rubbish to be honest,”

“Maybe some delayed tiredness, maybe. I did feel a little bit foggy out there at times, but it’s not really an excuse, it’s my job to do all that stuff.”

Despite the uninspiring round, the world number three still feels as if he can get back into the event and contend.

“It’s not like I don’t know how to play golf, it was just a bit of a bad day.”

“I’ve just got a few things to clean up, I think. Like I said last week [at the Australian PGA Championship], I felt as though the golf got better every day.”

The Aussie is incredible at recovery shots and finding his way out of trouble. But if he wants to be the first player to win the Australian PGA and Australian Open in the same season since 2011, he needs to start putting the ball in the fairway.

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