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How do you measure forgiveness in irons? – GolfWRXers discuss

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In our forums, our members have been taking a deep dive into forgiveness when it comes to irons. WRXer ‘Nev Adams’ uses Mizuno’s MP-20 and JPX921 irons as an example and asks:

“I wonder what the difference is in forgiveness, and how do you measure it?”

And our members have been sharing their thoughts in our forum.

Here are a few posts from the thread, but make sure to check out the entire discussion and have your say at the link below.

  • NRJyzr: “Forgiveness is measured in MOI, moment of inertia. MOI for the clubhead is the measure of its resistance to twisting on off-center contact.”
  • AC in TX: “I measure by my crap swings … if it still flies straight, it’s forgiving … otherwise not so much.”
  • TigerinTheWoods: “Anecdotally, I find the 921 Tour more forgiving than the MP20. I find the spin consistency a big part of that. Very easy to balloon the MB because they are designed for workability. I think that is something not always factored into forgiveness. Your dynamic loft control is tested, and any manipulation of the club face is exaggerated with the COG closer to the hosel. Everything about the tour is more friendly IMO.”
  • MtlJeff: “I’ve never really looked at MOI numbers when it comes to forgiveness, just would hit the clubs and see. I remember when the Epic SZ driver came out it had the highest MOI of all time, and I didn’t find it super forgiving for a 460cc driver. I guess some of this is just a personal thing, or how you usually miss. It’s kind of like bounce to me with wedges. I understand the numbers, but I find it doesn’t always mean as much to the individual.”

Entire Thread: “How do you measure forgiveness in irons?” 

 

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Gianni is the Managing Editor at GolfWRX. He can be contacted at [email protected].

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  1. Deadeye

    Nov 18, 2020 at 2:39 pm

    Golfworks is the answer. Ralph Maltby published a list of clubs in 2004 that gives all the details on almost any club made. It updated regularly. They also make great clubs.

  2. Frank Crowe

    Nov 18, 2020 at 11:13 am

    It’s a fine line between forgiveness, clunkiness and playability. The original Big Bertha irons were easy to hit off a tee or a tempting lie but on tight lies or thick rough they were a disaster. Have forgiving long iron in the bag and some nice blades for the scoring shots from 6 iron in.

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Putter Roundup: 2024 Zurich Classic of New Orleans

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We always get some great photos of some phenomenal putters at tour events and love to share them. Here are a few from the 2024 Zurich Classic that caught our eye and seemed interesting. (And as a reminder, you can check out all our photos from New Orleans here)

MJ Daffue’s Scotty Cameron T-11 Prototype

MJ is going with the new Scotty Cameron T-11 Prototype this week. The putter is a multi-piece mallet that puts an emphasis on stability with the wings on the back. Daffue’s putter does have a design that differs from retail with a monotone finish, which eliminates the black paint on the aluminum parts that we see at retail. He also has a half siteline milled into the top and an L-neck welded on for some additional toe hang. The face features a deeper milling that should offer a softer feel and slightly quieter sound.

Scotty Cameron T-7.5 Prototype

We spotted a few different Scotty Cameron Phantom models with modified rear flanges. It looks like the straight black flange was cut into a half circle for a little softer look at address. On this T-7.5, you can still see the raw aluminum from the back view, so this might have been a last-minute job to get them out on tour. The semi-circle also has a white line on it, maybe to frame the ball differently.

Alex Fitzpatrick’s Bettinardi SS16 DASS

Alex’s SS16 is made from Bettinardi’s famous D.A.S.S., or double-aged stainless steel, for a softer and more responsive feel. The face has a unique diamond pattern milling and features a logo that I feel like I have seen before, but can’t put a name to. The putter is a classic mid-mallet style with a simple, single white siteline on the top. The sole is clean with just the SS16, DASS, and a green triangle logo on it.

Steve Stricker’s Odyssey White Hot No. 2

This putter has made some amazing putts in its long career! Stricker’s White Hot No. 2 might be in the top 10 of most famous putters in golf. When you see all the dents and lead tape, you know the heel will be up and it will be sinking putts! The soft White Hot insert looks to be in good shape and has less wear on it than the rest of the putter. We don’t know how much lead tape is on the sole, but it has to be multiple layers compacted down over the years.

Doug Ghim’s Scotty Cameron T-7 Prototype

This T-7 should win the award for “best color finish” in this list with its deep chromatic bronze. It looks like Scotty added a cherry bomb dot to the heel of the deep-milled face and filled it with a very dark blue paint. The rest of the putter looks pretty stock with its single site line on the topline and twin site lines down the “fangs” of the putter. Twin 5-gram weights are installed in the sole and the putter is finished off with a gloss black double bend shaft with a fill shaft offset.

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Spotted: Project X Denali hybrid shaft

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Project X’s Denali wood shafts have been seen in more and more golf bags this year as we start off the season. As a refresher, Denali Blue is the mid-launch and mid-spin model while Denali Black is for players seeking lower launch and spin.

Denali combines great feel with stability and increased ball speed. Currently, Project X only offers Denali Blue and Black in wood shafts, but we spotted a hybrid shaft in Daniel Berger’s bag at the 2024 Zurich Classic.

The shaft looks to be a Denali Blue 105G – HY in TX flex. No word on details from Project X yet but we can assume that this is a mid-launching shaft that weighs around 105 grams in Tour X-Stiff flex.

Berger has this shaft in his TaylorMade P770 3-iron, likely for some added launch and spin to hold the green from longer distances.

Hopefully, this means we will see some more shafts coming under the Denali name in the future, as I think many of us would like to try one in a hybrid or utility iron!

 

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Daniel Berger WITB 2024 (April)

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  • Daniel Berger what’s in the bag accurate as of the Farmers Insurance Open. More photos from the event here.

Driver: Ping G430 LST (10.5 degrees)
Shaft: Fujikura Ventus Black 6 X

3-wood: TaylorMade Qi10 (15 degrees)
Shaft: Fujikura Ventus Black 7 X

6-wood: TaylorMade Qi10 Tour (21 degrees)
Shaft: Fujikura Ventus Black 8 X

Irons: TaylorMade P770 (3), TaylorMade Tour Preferred MC 2011 (4-PW)
Shafts: Project X Denali Blue 105 TX (3), Project X 6.5 (4-PW)

Wedges: Titleist Vokey Design SM9 (50-12F), Titleist Vokey Design SM10 (56-14F), Callaway Jaws Raw (60-08C)
Shafts: Project X 6.5 (50), True Temper Dynamic Gold Tour Issue S400 (56, 60)

Putter: Odyssey Ai-One Jailbird Mini DB
Grip: SuperStroke Zenergy PistolLock 1.0

Grips: Golf Pride Tour Wrap

Ball: Titleist Pro V1

Check out more in-hand photos of Daniel Berger’s clubs in the forums.

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