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What’s going on with Jordan Spieth’s putting? GolfWRX members discuss.

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As Shakespeare wrote, “Something is rotten in the Texas wunderkind’s putting stroke.” Maybe it was “Something is rotten in Denmark.” Regardless…

Jordan Spieth is, as we know, not rolling the rock well and is having his worst putting season since turning pro in 2012.

Spieth is currently 192nd in strokes gained: putting. Although, to be fair, he had sporadic difficulties with the flatstick last year when he finished 42nd in the category. From 2014-2016, he wasn’t worse than 20th.

GolfWRX members are keen to discuss what’s going on with Spieth on the green (figures are from before the final tally for the Fort Worth Invitational).

flopshotscott started a thread dedicated to the subject

“Currently, for the 2018 PGA Tour Season, JS is ranked 190th in strokes gained putting, while he is ranked 2nd in Strokes Gained tee-to-green (everywhere else).

“Jordan Spieth is the second best golfer on tour until it gets to the green, yet his best finishes are 3rd at the masters and T3 the week before that.

“As a big Spieth fan, the only part that really bothers me is how he fails to really admit that he has a problem. Is there not a big problem? Will it just go away as he gets amped for the rest of major season? How long do these ruts last, or is this like other cases of the yips that won’t go away?”

Mjen43 points to confidence and variance

“I don’t think he has the yips, as I haven’t seen any evidence of an actual yipped out stroke. He just seems to not be making much and has lost some confidence. At this point I’d just chalk it up to an extended case of variance.”

BNGL says belief is key

“Part of playing at this level is thinking you’re the best no matter what the numbers say. I guarantee if anyone here is noticing. Jordan is more than aware of his decencies.

“Vijay when he went in that tear of a season with 9 wins, told himself he’s the world’s best putter before every putt (even though he isn’t even close). Gotta believe.”

Eagle1997 says let’s tap the brakes

“1/2 a year does not a season make. Let’s revisit the discussion after this year’s Open. I think he’s still playing catch-up after the early season bout with mono.”

Ghostwedge says

“He’s over-thinking this putting thing. Don’t remember him taking this much time with putts when he was draining everything. If i was Greller, i?d take that greens book away from him.”

Of course, as WRXer ibanesto suggested, Spieth could always try this method on the green…

What do you think, GolfWRX members? What’s are you seeing in Spieth’s putting stroke, and what remedy do you suggest (if any)?

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  1. gunmetal

    May 30, 2018 at 9:34 pm

    Haney says very adamantly that he does have the yips and that he’s witnessed a yip in his wrist countless times last season and obviously this season it’s gotten even worse. The strange thing is that the yips usually only present themselves on short putts and JS hasn’t ever been a very good short putter. Where he dominates is 10-25 feet but he’s just not making any of those this year.

  2. Bob Parson Jr.

    May 30, 2018 at 3:57 pm

    Oh, so the Cameronites are not going to blame the putter? They are quick to give victories to Cameron, specially when the Douche of California is not the one swinging the club. Barf!

  3. Man

    May 29, 2018 at 2:00 am

    Putting is not the problem. His ball striking and proximity to the green in hot situations is what’s putting pressure on having to get up and down more often, is the true problem. He needs to get his hybrid and iron play in order. His putting is the same, if he can just get his GIR up.

  4. Kata dan Cerita

    May 28, 2018 at 6:38 pm

    hopefully he’s always okay,.

  5. Deacon Blues

    May 28, 2018 at 4:17 pm

    Reduce or eliminate the forward press, which hurts the consistency of his stroke (especially on short putts). Phil putts much better these days with a reduced forward press.

  6. Hoople

    May 28, 2018 at 12:21 pm

    If you look at video down the line from the front, Jordon is standing one to two inches further away from the ball then when he putted great. Close the gap and speed and line will get back to normal.

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2021 Hero World Challenge: Best Match Bet of the week

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Colleague Matt Vincenzi makes a terrific case for ‘local’ Justin Rose to contend strongly at Albany this week, and with the same thought processes leading the @LostForePod to independently conclude the same on the other side of the pond, there had to be a way to get with the Englishman in the side markets.

In a 20-man field, opportunities were going to be sparse, but Draftkings Sportsbook offer us odds against for Rose to beat Tony Finau in a 72-hole match-bet, and that is worth taking.

Matt points out the tee-to-green game is in great shape, Rose finding around five shots at Sedgefield and Sea Island, figures that sandwich a gain of almost 12 shots at favoured Wentworth.

Top that with a solid enough short game and plus figures for putting in each of his last four starts, and we have a golfer whose total game is in decent nick. Certainly, when adding his impressive course form (three consecutive top-five finishes) and his clear will to do well at his ‘second home’, his chance of contending is clear.

Opponent Finau will have needed to have improved during his two week break given he hasn’t finished higher than 24th in four outings since September, and that was in the 30-man field of the Tour Championship.

A couple of top-50 finishes at the CJ Cup and in Mexico don’t read particularly well and the missed cut in Houston on his last outing came via a combined five-over the two back nines.

Not renown for his putting prowess, the 32-year-old has been leaking shots to the field on the greens, and his game looks in poor shape at present. On a course that rewards a solid all-round game plus the ability to make the most of the birdie opportunities that present themselves on fairly flat greens, the Englishman is much preferred.

As Butch would no doubt say, ‘Attaboy, Rosey’.

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‘Don’t think I’ve ever seen anything like this’ – Bryson has Eureka discovery with golf swing

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The evolution of Bryson DeChambeau’s golf swing has been fascinating to watch over the past couple of seasons.

In two years, the 28-year-old has gone from T34 in driving distance to the longest hitter in the game, and while on a recent night range session, he appears to have found a formula to hit it even farther and straighter.

In a video posted to his YouTube channel, Bryson is hitting balls alongside Long Drive Pro Martin Borgmeier when DeChambeau had a breakthrough that both men agreed was a ‘Eureka’ moment for the Californian.

After piping a drive dead center early in the session, Bryson excitedly exclaimed, “Oh my god, I’ve finally figured something out”, before going into detail, saying:

“So, when I try to apply force internally, it gets the handle there (in front of body, clubface open)…that’s right. But if I can feel like my wrist is behind my elbow as I’m swinging, it keeps the head more ahead of me.

It needs to stop (forearm/wrist) so that the handle can go forward and keep turning through. Whereas, if I keep applying force, it’s going to keep the wrist going that way (central) and keep the face open.”

After figuring out this ‘Eureka’ moment, Bryson then implored amateur golfers to try different things as “if you don’t hit the golf ball good with a thought process in the first two, three shots, it’s not working.”

Going back to his new swing discovery, Bryson says

“What I’ve found was, when this right forearm goes internal, there’s obviously weight and inertia over here (clubface), and when I apply force, that’s going to make the clubface go open. If I’m strong enough, obviously, I’m going to do that (flip forearm/hands), but then the face to path is way closed. 

So I want to feel like I’m stopping and allowing the hands to go through so I can create this in and out path, and it’s helping to initially close the face.”

With Martin Borgmeier, the two agree that the new swing move helps both path and face but were both fascinated to see how it could eventually affect the speed aspect too.

Between each other, the two big-hitters also agreed that speed would slow down until Bryson began timing it correctly but that it could actually end up adding speed. And that’s exactly what happened. 

After hitting several more shots perfectly with a little draw, Bryson noted how “it’s a way to stabilize everything and control the timing of the closure rate”. The next aspect? Adding speed.

After stabilizing his swing with the new discovery, Bryson ramped up the speed while still hammering each shot down the middle.

Within 15 minutes, Bryson was hitting his 8-iron with a slight draw and reached 163mph ball speed. Something he had never achieved before.

The Californian finished up his session saying: 

“Had a Eureka moment. Figured out something in regards to biomechanics and physics of the swing just in regards to this right forearm’s internal rotation, how it applies force to the club, how that translates into the momentum of the clubhead squaring up or not squaring up. Long story short, I got something unique and cool.”

How impressed was Long Drive Pro Borgmeier with not just the discovery but how Bryson used it to gain speed in such a short space of time? Very. He said:

“Doing that in 15 minutes and how he progressed through it, that was very impressive. I don’t think I’ve ever seen anything like this. One of the most impressive things I’ve seen this year.”

Subscribe to Bryson’s YouTube channel here.

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2021 Hero World Challenge Betting: Former U.S. Open champ set to shine in Bahamas

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19 of the world’s top 50, plus defending champion Henrik Stenson will be teeing it up in Albany, The Bahamas, this week for the Hero World Challenge.

The tournament is not an official PGA Tour event and does not award any FedEx Cup points, but it will count towards the Official World Golf Ranking. While offering World Ranking points for the event is a bit controversial, it does provide an incentive for some of the world’s best players to participate in the event.

Albany Golf Club is hosting the event and is located in a super-exclusive resort that both Tiger Woods has invested in and is also the host of the event.

The course is a Par 72 measuring 7,309 yards and features an unconventional setup with five par 5’s and five par 3’s. The course is described as having characteristics of both a desert golf course and a links golf course and winning scores have been between -18 and -25 since 2015, which was when Albany Golf Club started hosting the event.

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Justin Rose +(2800)

Justin Rose comes into the Hero World Challenge as one of the handful of golfers who have been playing recently, having finished 12th a few weeks ago at the RSM Classic. The Englishman played quite well in the event, gaining strokes on the field in every measurable category, including an impressive 4.8 strokes from tee to green for the week. After a down year, Rose has shown some flashes of getting back on track, having finished 10th at Wyndham and 6th at Wentworth prior to his encouraging week at the RSM Classic.

In addition to some encouraging recent form for the 41-year-old, Rose has also shown that he loves Albany Golf Club. He has finished in the top 5 in his past three trips to Albany: boasting a 5th, 3rd, and 5th in the three starts. Rose’s comfortability at the course may be attributed to the fact that he was a longtime Bahamas resident. He shot a closing 62 on Sunday in the 2015 edition of the event, proving he has what it takes to go low here.

Both recent and course form are clearly in Rose’s favor this week, but there is another factor that pushes him over the edge for me: motivation. A major aspect of handicapping the Hero World Challenge is trying to determine who is there to enjoy a vacation with their family or significant other and who is there to compete for a victory. For me, it is quite clear that Justin Rose is there for the latter reason. Currently sitting at 47th in the Official World Golf Rankings, a good finish this week would go a long way. He has been remarkably consistent throughout his career and is in danger of falling out of the world’s top 50 for the first time in a decade.

While many in the field view the Hero World Challenge as a “hit and giggle” event, Justin Rose is there to hoist a trophy on Sunday.

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