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Tursky’s Takes: Justin Thomas vs. PGA Tour fans

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GolfWRX Editor Andrew Tursky — with his new “Tursky’s Takes” segment — discusses what Justin Thomas SHOULD have done when the golf fan heckled him, and why PGA Tour fans should never root for a golfer to fail.

Watch the video below to see Tursky’s take.

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  1. Marc

    Feb 28, 2018 at 8:00 pm

    What’s Justin going to do at this year’s Ryder Cup? Ask the fans to be quiet while he hits?
    I don’t think so.

  2. Kelly

    Feb 28, 2018 at 3:44 pm

    What was the big deal. It was said after the shot had been hit. JT needs to grow a set of balls and quit acting like a little kid who just got told no.

  3. Joro

    Feb 28, 2018 at 2:25 pm

    What a bunch of stupid comments, Straighten up Justin and quit acting like a spoiled Brat and encouraging these A-Holes. There fans today are not the reserved fans of yesterday, take your millions and be quiet.

  4. Bbp1

    Feb 28, 2018 at 2:17 pm

    What people get out of the yelling is a mystery. It doesn’t get them any recognition. The Barstool guys have this all wrong. No you shouldn’t want to yell out against another player. It’s fine to root against a player but keep it to yourself. It’s not funny. Not entertaining. Adds nothing to the event. It’s interesting to see how this lack of self control has creeped into the culture.

    Part of it is the new idea “I can do what ever I want because it makes me happy, regardless of whether it screws up the experience for others” and it does come off as a bummer to a lot of people.

    Sort of like the dudes who drive down the street in their Honda Accord that has headers with the window down all the way and the radios jacked up all the way. Dbag.

  5. Boyo

    Feb 28, 2018 at 1:12 pm

    Right on Mikey.
    Throw the bums out.
    Nobody wants to hear it.

  6. Robert

    Feb 28, 2018 at 11:54 am

    Justin needs to talk with Monty, Sergio (re-gripping episodes), Fat Jack. and many more.
    This is not a new problem. Get over it and play golf.

  7. MikeyB

    Feb 27, 2018 at 11:28 pm

    Ok, toss out the dude who wants the ball in the bunker. When he’s gone,find the *ssclowns who yell ‘Bobba Booey!’ or ‘Mashed Pataytahs!’ or the always original ‘It’s in da’ hole!’after every goddamn tee shot.

    Oh and while PGA security gets those idiots into the parking lot, I’ll go make some popcorn to watch the 1,000+ riot cops descending on the 16th at the WM Open and arresting ALL the morons who either throw beer cans into the bunkers OR boo bad tee shots. Now watching drunks get their melons cracked live on the Golf Channel? THAT there is entertainment gold.

    Of course Brandel Chamblee and David Duval will have to offer opposing viewpoints on how the cops are using a long enough backswing, staying on plane, and following through on their baton strikes….

    Look. Boorish behaviour has existed in golf since 5 minutes after the game was invented, ok? “Aye McTavish, you goat f*cker, you swing that stick thing like a wee girl!” It only exists because the mob and the media tolerate it. If the mob turns and collectively points to the offender, or if the media willingly and publicly helps ID the jerks, then those who might act in this fashion will know they will ALWAYS be caught and dealt with, so why chance it?

    I appreciate the point when it comes to not having jerks on the course at PGA events. The reality is the genie has been out of the bottle for some time now. It’s going to take a couple years to get it back in.

    • makaveli

      Feb 28, 2018 at 12:05 am

      The PDW “Who do you think you are, I am” is a classic. By the way its Baba Booey…Hey Nowww

    • Alfredo Smith

      Feb 28, 2018 at 11:46 pm

      Wow MikeyB! You absolutely nailed it!

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The Wedge Guy: What we can learn from tour stats

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Today’s post was inspired by a conversation one of the Edison Golf customer service team had with a follower/challenger on Facebook. The skeptical golfer claimed that he could “hit it to 12 feet from 85 yards anytime he wanted.” His claim drove our rep to the PGA Tour website just to compare this golfer’s claim to PGA Tour reality.

His relating of this conversation and my subsequent research into tour stats inspired me to share how actual PGA Tour players’ performance might be used to help you understand your own game and how to get better, no matter whether you are a low single-digit player or still working to break 80, 90, or even 100.

The “entry point” for the research was to see how this golfer’s claims of “hitting it to 12 feet” from 85 yards would stack up to tour-level performance. Turns out this guy would be the best on tour by far if he can really do that.

INSIGHT #1: Through the entire 2021 season, only ONE tour professional averaged less than 12’ from 75-100 yards, and the tour average is almost 18 feet from that range. Now we all know that they hit it to three feet or less reasonably often, so that must mean that it is just as “normal” for tour players to hit a 75- to 100-yard wedge shot to 20-25 feet or further. In fact, just this past weekend, I saw a number of wedge shots of that distance end up 40-50 feet from the hole. It happens, even to these guys.

This revelation inspired me to dive a bit deeper into PGA Tour stats to understand the difference between hitting approach shots from the fairway and from the rough. I’ve done this deep dive periodically through my twenty years of writing this blog as “The Wedge Guy,” and the data revealed is amazing — and very enlightening.

The PGA Tour “strokes gained” analysis over the years has implied that hitting it far is much more important than hitting it straight. I won’t argue that this approach to statistics must show that, or it wouldn’t be published.

But I’ve long been an advocate for recreational golfers to find a way to get their drives in the fairway, even if it means sacrificing a few yards. There are few courses that play as easy from the rough as the fairway, and PGA Tour statistics seem to support that hypothesis, even for these guys, who have extraordinary skills and strength to gouge shots from the rough. The rest of us just do not have either.
But what is the difference — for them — between hitting approach shots from the rough and the fairway? Here is a look at the entire 2021 season stats for proximity to the hole from both, from various distances:

These figures illustrate that, on average across all approach shot distances from 5-6 iron (200-225) or less, hitting their approach from the rough will increase the length of the resulting putt or chip by about 60 percent or more. The only takeaway you can make from this is that it is extremely important to these guys to be able to hit approaches from the fairway rather than the rough, regardless of what the “strokes gained” numbers seem to imply.

Even more glaring is that the average approach from 150-175 yards in 2021 ended up closer to the hole than one from the rough from only 75-100 yards from the rough! This means that tour professionals are more accurate from the fairway with a 7- or 8-iron than they are from the rough with a sand wedge.
If the rough is that penalizing for them, maybe you should re-think what it does to your scoring.

I’m just sayin’…

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