It’s been three days since J.B. Holmes took more than four minutes to hit his second shot at Torrey Pines’ 18th Hole during the final round of the Farmers Insurance Open, and, oh boy, hot takes aplenty from fellow pros and GolfWRX members.

Holmes needed eagle to tie for the lead at the par-5 18th on Sunday. With 230 yards to the green, J.B. debated whether to aim for the putting surface or lay up. Four-minute long story short, he laid up (in the rough) and didn’t make eagle. Making matters worse, his playing partner, Alex Noren, would have won the tournament with a birdie, but he was effectively iced by Holmes (you could make the argument Noren should have been able to rise above, or merely told Holmes he was going to go ahead and hit).

We’ve heard from Holmes himself, who apologized, but didn’t seem to understand the outrage as he was “trying to win the tournament,” his fellow pros, and talking heads aplenty.

Most tour players aren’t slow but because of a handful of slow ones we all get a bad rep

— Daniel Berger (@DanielBerger59) January 28, 2018

Last group was over a hole behind, we can all blame JB…and yes the player should take responsibility for their pace of play, but if they don’t that’s why we have Tour officials – they needed to step in a while ago IMO.

— Luke Donald (@LukeDonald) January 28, 2018

1. JB needs to be fined or better yet given 2 shots
2 Needs eagle to tie. After all that lays up? Really???
3 Horrendous sportsmanship to Noren and Palmer
4 wow ????

— Mark Calcavecchia (@MarkCalc) January 28, 2018

Now, let’s see what the GolfWRX membership has to say about the incident. And J.B., if you’re reading, avert your eyes. The first point to note: There were multiple “J.B. Holmes’ slow play” threads active prior to the incident at the 18th, which were merged into a single thread after “Fourminutetencecondgate.” Anyway, here’s a sampling of the responses from this now 13-page long thread.

Now, to be fair and balanced, the most diplomatic response was one of the first in the thread.

Mjen43 writes

“I don’t care about pace of play on television. They’re not holding me up, I’m just sitting here watching.”

Zz24hours (which is nearly as long as J.B. took) says

“That JB Holmes 2nd to 18 was borderline unsportsmanlike, moronic.”

Straightshot7 says

“They did just take 6 hours to play. That’s a problem. JB needs someone to follow his group with a shot clock and an air horn.”

North Texas looked at the situation from Noren’s perspective

“If I’m Alex Noren, I’m absolutely livid.” He later added, “Not only that, he [J.B.] “chickened out” and didn’t play to get into the playoff.”

Deadsolid…shank pointed out some potential lasting damage

“I’ve always been a JB fan. That just changed.”

Knock it close, ultimately, may have had the best take.

“Until someone other than a 14 year old asian kid [Guan Tianlang at the Masters in 2013] in is made an example of nothing will change. All other rules are enforced by the PGATour, why pace of play isn’t is beyond me.”

If you’re fired up about pace of play on the PGA Tour in general, or the J.B. Holmes ordeal in particular, you’ll want to check out this thread, because the GolfWRX membership has all the angles covered.