Equipment
Cameron & Crown putters come up short, on purpose
Golf is great because people of all shapes, sizes and ages can play and enjoy it. In that case, however, not every golfer fits into a 34- or 35-inch putter like you’d think when scanning the putter racks at your local golf shop.
If you do happen to fit into a “standard-length” 34- or 35-inch putter, then maybe you don’t know that most people playing a 33-inch putter are doing so with a putter that’s been cut down to size. The problem with that is shortening the putter without adding weight back will affect swing weight, overall weight and ultimately, feel and performance.
“When we pioneered the adjustable sole weight system, it became possible to match the putter head weight relative to the length for a balanced stroke,” said Titleist Master Putter Maker Scotty Cameron. “Cameron & Crown models are purpose-built 33-inch designs, not manipulated 35-inch putters, with two 20-gram weights to ensure the swing weight and feel of these putters are consistent with their longer counterparts.”
With Scotty Cameron’s new line of putters — called Cameron & Crown — the aim is to give juniors, women and shorter athletes an opportunity to play a line of putters designed specifically for them. And the head models featured in the Cameron & Crown line are some of the most popular heads from his other lines.
The Cameron & Crown line will consist of the Select Newport 2, the Select Newport M2 Mallet, the GoLo 5 and the Futura X5R models. Each of the putters will measure 33 inches, and will come with a White Matador putter grip that measures smaller in diameter than Cameron’s Matador grips that now come stock on all of his other current models. The smaller grip is said to better match performance, feel and weight.
Cameron & Crown putters will be available in stores (MSRP $410) in Canada and the U.S. on September 23, and the rest of the world on October 21.
See below for more photos of each putter, and click here to see what GolfWRX members are saying about the Cameron & Crown putters.
Select Newport 2
- Heel and toe weighted
- Plumber’s neck
- 303 stainless steel head and face inlay
- Available in both right- and left-handed versions
Newport 2 Left-handed version
Select Newport M2 Mallet
- 303 stainless steel body, 6061 aircraft-grade aluminum face-sole technology
- Flowing single-bend shaft
- Pop-through sight line as seen in the Newport M2 from the 2016 Scotty Cameron Select line
GoLo 5
- Made from 303 Stainless Steel with 6061 aircraft-grade aluminum sole plate and pop-through sight line
- Parallel and perpendicular sight lines
Futura X5R
- Made from 303 Stainless Steel with wingback for more MOI and forgiveness
- Aluminum sole flange
See what GolfWRX members are saying about the Cameron & Crown putters in our forums.
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Equipment
Why Rory McIlroy will likely use the new TaylorMade BRNR Mini Driver Copper at the RBC Heritage
Although we spotted Rory McIlroy testing the new TaylorMade BRNR Mini Driver Copper last week during practice rounds at the Masters, he ultimately didn’t decide to use the club in competition.
It seems that will change this week at the 2024 RBC Heritage, played at the short-and-tight Harbour Town Golf Links in Hilton Head.
When asked on Wednesday following his morning Pro-Am if he’d be using the new, nostalgic BRNR Copper this week, McIlroy said, “I think so.”
“I like it,” McIlroy told GolfWRX.com on Tuesday regarding the BRNR. “This would be a good week for it.”
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According to Adrian Rietveld, the Senior Manager of Tour at TaylorMade, the BRNR Mini Driver can help McIlroy position himself properly off the tee at the tight layout.
Here’s what Rietveld told GolfWRX.com on Wednesday:
“For someone like Rory, who’s that long at the top end of the bag, and then you put him on a course like Harbour Town, it’s tough off the tee. It’s tight into the greens, and you have to put yourself in position off the tee to have a shot into the green. It kind of reminds me of Valderrama in Spain, where you can be in the fairway and have no shot into the green.
“I’m caddying for Tommy [Fleetwood] this week, so I was walking the course last night and looking at a few things. There’s just such a small margin for error. You can be standing in the fairway at 300 yards and have a shot, but at 320 you don’t. So if you don’t hit a perfect shot, you could be stuck behind a tree. And then if you’re back at 280, it might be a really tough shot into the small greens.
“So for Rory [with the BRNR], it’s a nice course-specific golf club for him. He’s got both shots with it; he can move it right-to-left or left-to-right. And the main thing about this club has been the accuracy and the dispersion with it. I mean, it’s been amazing for Tommy.
“This was the first event Tommy used a BRNR last year, and I remember talking to him about it, and he said he couldn’t wait to play it at Augusta next year. And he just never took it out of the bag because he’s so comfortable with it, and hitting it off the deck.
“So you look at Rory, and you want to have the tools working to your advantage out here, and the driver could hand-cuff him a bit with all of the shots you’d have to manufacture.”
So, although McIlroy might not be making a permanent switch into the new TaylorMade BRNR Mini Driver Copper, he’s likely to switch into it this week.
His version is lofted at 13.5 degrees, and equipped with a Fujikura Ventus Black 7X shaft.
See more photos of Rory testing the BRNR Mini here
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Equipment
Spotted: TaylorMade P-UDI driving iron
It seems like the RBC Heritage is full of new gear to be spotted, and you can add TaylorMade’s P-UDI utility irons to that list.
We spotted a 17-degree P-UDI 2-iron in Nick Dunlap’s bag yesterday, and now have some photos of both the 3- and 4-irons. Nick has his P-UDI 2-iron setup with a Project X HZRDUS Black 4th Gen 105g TX shaft.
From what we can tell, this new P-UDI utility iron looks to have some of the usual TaylorMade technology as we can see the Speed Slot on the sole of the club for additional face flexibility. A toe screw is usually used to close off the hollow body design that will probably be filled with a version of TaylorMade’s Speed Foam that is present in the current iron lineup. This hollow body, foam-filled design should offer additional ball speed, soft feel, and sound, as well as an optimized CG for ball flight.
“Forged” is etched into the hosel, so we can assume that either the face, body, or both are forged for a soft and responsive feel. The club looks good from behind and at address, where we can see just a little offset and a topline that I would consider medium thickness. We don’t have the full details on what is under the hood or how many loft options will be available yet.
TaylorMade P-UDI 3-iron – 20°
TaylorMade P-UDI 4-iron – 22°
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Whats in the Bag
Collin Morikawa WITB 2024 (April)
- Collin Morikawa what’s in the bag accurate as of the RBC Heritage. More photos from the event here.
Driver: TaylorMade Qi10 LS (9 degrees)
Shaft: Mitsubishi Diamana D+ Limited 60 TX (45 inches)
3-wood: TaylorMade Qi10 (13.5 degrees)
Shaft: Mitsubishi Diamana D+ Limited 80 TX
5-wood: TaylorMade Qi10 (18 degrees)
Shaft: Mitsubishi Diamana D+ Limited 80 TX
Irons: TaylorMade P770 (4), P7MC (5-6), P730 (7-PW)
Shafts: True Temper Dynamic Gold Tour Issue Mid 115 X100 (4-6), True Temper Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 (7-PW)
Wedges: TaylorMade MG4 (50-SB09, 56-LB08), TaylorMade MG4 TW (60-TW11)
Shafts: True Temper Dynamic Gold Tour Issue S400
Putter: TaylorMade TP Soto
Grip: SuperStroke Zenergy Tour 2.0
Grips: Golf Pride Z-Grip Cord
Ball: TaylorMade TP5x
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Ryan
Feb 27, 2017 at 5:09 pm
I read this article when it first came out, and I have been saving my money ever since. I just purchased the Newport 2, and as the first putter I’ve ever paid for, (others were hand-me-downs) this one is worth every penny! Absolutely awesome putter! I could have gotten a standard Newport 2, and had it cut down, but it would have been the same price. I don’t see why everyone is upset about the price. I tried tons of putters, and every manufacturer had a $400 putter in their line. Bettinardi, Ping, Odyssey, etc. I think even Wilson had a $350 putter, so why is it so outrageous that SC is charging $379??
digitalbroccoli
Sep 20, 2016 at 9:45 am
The marketing machine that is Cameron marches on.
effyouscott
Sep 3, 2016 at 12:03 pm
its nice to know scotty thinks we are so dumb as to cut down our putters and not add lead tape or weights. ANY club repair person who doesn’t advise their customers of this wholly uninteresting and paltry fact of physics is probably voting trump. Get an old select off the bay for $90 and add some $20 aftermarket weights.
Ricky
Sep 5, 2016 at 5:00 pm
Well, you have the Cameronbots that believe anything he has to say, even if it sounds illogical and defies physics.
Ricky
Aug 31, 2016 at 8:25 pm
The sad part is Cameron used to be a putter maker that actually cared. Now? He is just a wealthy pompous buffoon. Pumping junk with Titleist name on it.
Ricky
Aug 31, 2016 at 8:00 pm
I’m waiting for the Made for the Tour model with a nice 7k price tag, lol……
joepz
Aug 31, 2016 at 5:42 pm
In the Cameron & Crown video at Scotty’s website, in the video for this new line, Cameron states that the putters are designed from the start to play at 33″ not a cut-down 35″ putter.
I thought that meant that the specs would be different, with perhaps a flatter lie, since it is designed for youngsters, women and shorter men (I’m 5’7″ myself and have used 33″ putters for years). However, the specs of the Cameron & Crown are no different from the Lie, loft, and weight of the recent Select line (I have an M2 Mallet from the Select putter line).
That said, I still ordered a Newport 2, since the one I’d kept in Myrtle Beach was stolen when homeless people broke into my house there and took ALL of my clubs (if you see people there playing golf with flies buzzing around them, those’re probably the perps).
Dave R
Aug 31, 2016 at 4:05 pm
Got to love the price of the sc putters ,and if you believe you put better with one you are only fooling yourself. A good putter can putt with any type I borrowed my sons ping answer 20years ago and he ain’t gettin it back,and I have tried almost every sc putter he made and they do not even come close to this old ping answer. Sorry sc
Jim H
Aug 31, 2016 at 4:02 pm
Originally at 5’9″ and now shrunk to 5’7″ I struggled over the years (70’s and 80’s) with the “standard” 35-inch Bulls-Eye and Zebra putters. I then switched to T.P. Mills and started cutting them down to 31-inch lengths, adding rolls of lead tape to he bottom in the 90’s. I finally switched to an Odyssey White Steel Rossie in the early 2000’s, again cut down to 31-inches but later discovered that 31-inches was actually too short. I currently play a 33-inch Odyssey Black #9, which I ordered directly from Odyssey in 2013, as none of the local shops had a 33 in stock. While I play Titleist irons, wedges and balls, the Scotty Cameron putters never appealed to me. But I do wish manufacturers would either make shorter lengths more readily accessible, or move to adjustable length shafts.
Mike
Aug 31, 2016 at 1:35 pm
Very much a “so what” product….
Ricky
Aug 31, 2016 at 7:39 pm
Come on, is the Cameron Crown, lol….
It should be the Cameron Clown, lol…..
Christosterone
Aug 31, 2016 at 12:37 pm
I’m 6’1, 6’2 in golf shoes and use a 2007 33″ Scotty button back with 20g weights….different strokes…
I putt like Jack,…well, I don’t actually putt like Jack but I setup like him (open, bent over with knees touching)…
-Chris
emerson boozer
Sep 1, 2016 at 12:20 am
god help you
Lou Loomis
Aug 31, 2016 at 6:03 am
A $400 putter aimed at juniors? The death throe of the golf equipment market.
gunmetal
Sep 1, 2016 at 11:51 am
That’s what I was thinking.
What a revolutionary concept. Make headweights in shorter lengths heavier. It’s not like Nike, Odyssey and nearly every other manufacturer haven’t already done this before. Wow!
Ricky
Sep 2, 2016 at 1:44 pm
Hey now, all his designs are original designs????
SNBD
Aug 30, 2016 at 11:49 pm
I’m curious, why do so many people complain about price whenever there is some review on new equipment on this website? Golf equipment has been expensive for years, decades even. I’ve seen a ton of guys who are good players (not tour pros who are given equipment) and none of them play a 14 piece box set from Big 5. If you have anything in your bag from Titleist, TaylorMade, Callaway, Nike, Cleveland, or Mizuno and you didn’t buy used on eBay, then you paid a good amount for those clubs….does that make you a hypocrite? If you think $410 is too much for a putter then don’t buy it, pretty simple.
Colin
Aug 30, 2016 at 9:06 pm
I’ve got a factory made 33″ studio select newport 2 with the same 20g weights. don’t understand how these are any different.
Elite
Aug 30, 2016 at 8:53 pm
In fact, just send it to the best gold-plater on Earth and have it fully plated in gold, including the shaft. I’ll be happy to pay $50,000 for it, Scotty, make sure you put your own signature on it, the grip has to be made of the best leather material, I’ve always enjoyed my finest Italian leather shoes so make one out of that, the Italians know how to make leather supremely soft and supple
Elite
Aug 30, 2016 at 8:50 pm
Can they throw some real gold paint on there? I need one exactly at 33 but with all the trimmings, and I won’t pay less than $5000 for it, it has to be the best of the best materials for my kid.
KookieCameron
Aug 30, 2016 at 6:23 pm
What on earth is this garbage?
Ricky
Aug 31, 2016 at 7:40 pm
You answered your own question!
The Dude
Aug 30, 2016 at 4:42 pm
Jumped…..the…..shark
Bob
Aug 30, 2016 at 7:47 pm
The Dude….
NAILED IT!
Donald Quiote
Aug 30, 2016 at 4:40 pm
I don’t even look at Scotty Cameron stuff anymore. There are other manufacturers making things more custom to you for less than scotty makes and off the rack stick. Lots of golfers don’t realize there are so many other options for higher end putter out there. They just know the Titlleist name and Scotty Cameron. So many greater deals to be had out there. Already boosting the prices this year for a standard OTR putter and then this slightly different than his already OTR stuff and bumps the price up even more. #overit
Big Kid
Aug 30, 2016 at 1:46 pm
I’m ok with this. Scotties have always been a top of the line brand, so bitching about their cost is like bitching about the cost of a luxury vehicle. Hopefully it will bring more 33″ putters onto the putting mats at Golfsmith, Golf Galaxy, Edwin Watts, etc. I’m 6’3″ but I have freakishly long arms. I was having problems putting and started gripping down on my putter. I tried to find shorter putters to test out, but ultimately I had to take a stab in the dark and get mine cut down. I don’t regret the decision one bit. I’m putting better than I ever have. And this actually led me to cutting down my driver and 3wood as well.
JoJo
Aug 30, 2016 at 1:22 pm
Cost is $379.99. Scotty has cornered the market on the status symbol of putters as a luxury brand of putter. I’m sure 33” was built to fill a demand (you know, supply and demand, right?) It is up to you to buy it or not. Obviously someone is buying SC’s and is now the most frequently used putters on the PGA Tour. (pgatour.com)
If you are basing your purchase on cost alone, you’ll never buy a SC. And you’d probably fall into the group that wouldn’t buy designer clothes, status symbol vehicles, country clubs, …either. I mean why buy a Ferrari when a Honda can get you to the same place, right? I think everyone should take a chill pill and understand that people place value on many different things for many different reasons. People are not ‘crazy’ for buying these putters; they buy it because they want it and hopefully can afford it. We could all wear generic basic golf shirts from the big box stores but we don’t. Boring world if we did. And we parents are smart enough to teach our kids the right kind of values when young even if someone else’s kid pulls up in a Ferrari. Surely this concept is not new?
For me personally I bought a used 4 year old Newport 2 and out of decades of putting I can honestly say it has been my putter ever since; I love it. You might buy the same putter and hate it. That doesn’t make either one of us crazy or insane and I certainly hope if you saw me with a SC you don’t judge me based on a putter name (in that case your parents should have done a better job). To me, I use the putter a lot more than any other club in my bag and keep it the longest, yet I pay 400 bucks for a driver that only gets used a few times a round and is obsoleted in 6 months.
Here is the way I look at it…as Ferris Bueller said “If you have the means, I highly recommend picking one up.”
Double Mocha Man
Aug 30, 2016 at 12:48 pm
When I first saw this I immediately thought Scotty was teaming up with Crown Royal spirits. I’ll drink to that.
G
Aug 30, 2016 at 12:18 pm
So custom lengths down to 31″ is available, right?
Maslie
Aug 30, 2016 at 9:36 am
Hey SC, I am 5’6″, play your mill spec 33″ 350gr and way too long, I play it at 30.5″ and need to add lumps of leadtape of 28gr at the bottom. Your new line still left me no option. If you are making 33″ for shorter golfers than I am looking forward to see your product for mini golfers. Please let me know date of realese, I am saving for it starting now. around $510 or $610?
Bert
Aug 30, 2016 at 9:26 am
As long as golfers “believe” these products are better the MFR’s will continue to glean off the sales.
AllBOdoesisgolf
Aug 30, 2016 at 9:45 am
welcome to capitalism… join in or keep complaining… I am sure I know which one you will do…
Lester Diamond
Aug 30, 2016 at 10:03 am
Or opt-out, which is apparently what a lot of people are doing judging by sales figures.
Keith
Aug 30, 2016 at 9:20 am
Scotty really needs someone new to copy, this copying of his own copies is really not working out.
Ricky
Aug 31, 2016 at 7:43 pm
There’s nothing else for him to copy, lol….
cp
Aug 30, 2016 at 9:00 am
Really? You can order most SC putters to 33″ and they will come with 20g weights. Did he really need to make a whole new line for this?
Cwolf
Aug 30, 2016 at 8:53 am
$410. What a joke!
Also the Scotty Cameron on the bumpers needs to go. Soo tacky!
Ricky
Aug 31, 2016 at 7:44 pm
Cameron putters are about Cameron. He is completely full of himself.
Nate
Aug 30, 2016 at 8:48 am
Overall this is just a marketing strategy. He has offered 33″ putters for years, but they are hard to find within a retail store (Golf Galaxy, Golfsmith, etc) to be able to test before purchasing. From my experience in golf retail, customers (who require a 33″ putter) are hesitant to buy a $410 putter and have it cut down to fit their needs, especially if they have never putt with a 33″ putter. What I hope this does is increase the awareness within the retail stores to the need to stock 33″ putters.
Also for those complaining about the price it is just the normal MSRP for his putters. The shaft has the same cost whether it is 33″ or 35″.
Shortgame85
Aug 30, 2016 at 8:31 am
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We are the members of the Lolipop Guild and we kindly welcome you to Munchkin Land!
DJ
Aug 30, 2016 at 8:22 am
Bahahaha this guy is ridiculous. There’s always been a 33″ putter, so now he makes a line that he even says is designed for short people. Hilarious. When is his line coming out for minorities? He is one weird guy. No thanks
TheCityGame
Aug 30, 2016 at 8:16 am
I don’t understand this at all.
Scotty has ALWAYS made 33 inch putters. Flip through the archive.
http://www.scottycameron.com/archive/putters/default.aspx
And, I don’t the weighting on a model by model basis, but I know for a fact that some of the models were weighted more heavily in shorter lengths. For instance, the Red X3 was 360/350/340g depending on length.
So, what exactly is new here except for a white paint fill, and a “new” name?
In other words. . .
Thanks for the ad, Golfwrx.
Sincerely, Scotty
TheCityGame
Aug 30, 2016 at 8:17 am
*I don’t “know” the weighting….
M Schnitzel
Aug 30, 2016 at 7:44 am
It’s a mistake not just branding these as Scotty Cameron’s. Some men who want a short length putter will continue to buy a regular Scotty and cut it down, so it’s not perceived they are using a women’s or kid’s club.
Dave
Aug 30, 2016 at 7:31 am
They may be short on this but they are certainly TOO long on price!!! LKook just like the ping answer to me. Except for the designer name.
Ricky
Aug 31, 2016 at 7:58 pm
That’s has been Cameron MO since the nineties. Nothing new here.
JThunder
Aug 30, 2016 at 6:48 am
It’s cool you can all be so high and mighty about Scotty – so *clearly* none of you are involved in any kind of overpriced business (like banking, drug companies, real estate agents, advertising, manufacturing, etc). Thank goodness those people who deliver the essentials of life never charge more than they need to, price gouge or rip us off. Then we’d *really* be in trouble.
G
Aug 30, 2016 at 12:16 pm
How about the real estate and housing market
Bofhus
Aug 30, 2016 at 4:44 am
They are gorgeous – IMO much nicer than the red Scotties. Anyone know if this colourway will be replicated in the 34″/35″ offerings?
Elite
Aug 30, 2016 at 3:39 am
I feel sorry for the parents of the middle lower classes who just got their kids into the game with US Kids Clubs, just barely, and now they have to compete against kids from mega-rich parents who can show off their kids with really expensive equipment.
Truly is an elitist sport, and we are proud of it
Mike
Aug 31, 2016 at 8:06 pm
Middle or lower class opinions not needed for this discussion .
Sam
Aug 30, 2016 at 2:18 am
All this $410 price on a putter does is give all the companies a chance to raise their $125 dollar putters to $199 without even upgrading the grip .
John G
Aug 30, 2016 at 2:16 am
Correct me if I’m wrong, but I believe all of the 2016 Select models are already available in a 33″ version with 20g weights. I know this because I recently purchased a 2016 Select Newport in a 33″. My local retailer did not carry the size in store, but was able to order the 33″ version from Titleist directly. The only difference between this Cameron & Crown version and the 2016 Select models is the engraved model name, colour and smaller diameter matador grip.
Ken
Aug 30, 2016 at 2:13 am
And the Golf world wonders why golf is loosing some ground to new players…Putter $410, M! Driver $499, 3 wood $239 set of irons $999 bag $150, Shoes $89…dozen balls $48….$2,434 for good equipment (not top of line) to play a round of golf for $89 on a good course……..oh yea how about a lesson so you won’t loose those balls so fast $125 an hour from a good instructor…..just go play tennis on a public court with a $39 racket and a couple cans of tennis balls $6.99 a can….
Elite
Aug 30, 2016 at 3:40 am
So you’re saying you’re going to leave us alone and go play tennis? Good bye! And good riddance!
Y. Drizzle
Aug 30, 2016 at 6:18 am
No, he is saying anyone thinking of taking up golf would be better served taking up tennis and saving themselves a couple grand in the process. You’re not the sharpest tool in the shed, are you? How many credit cards have you maxed out buying this overpriced trash?
AllBOdoesisgolf
Aug 30, 2016 at 9:48 am
If people are starting out the sport with a whole lineup of new clubs, that is on them. Hilarious to even try and use that as the reason why golf is apparently ‘losing’ people.
You mean to tell me there will be less people in jean shorts and tank tops, guzzling from a flask and leaving sunflower seeds and cigarette butts on the green now??? AWESOME!!!!
Lester Diamond
Aug 30, 2016 at 10:27 am
You first dismiss that cost is a reason people are leaving the game, then gloat that there will be less people on the course to bother you. Brilliant logic.
TCJ
Aug 30, 2016 at 1:35 pm
Sunflower seed shells are so annoying!
Elite
Aug 30, 2016 at 8:46 pm
I’m an Elite. I have no money problems. I play golf with the Sheikhs. They have money in their pockets like the hair on their bodies. No need to be a tool, Drizzle, it’s OK if you’re too poor to play this game. Go play tennis. You’ll be happier for it. We’ll enjoy spending all the money we have on golf because we can.
Caesar
Aug 31, 2016 at 1:03 am
No one will ever tell a new golfer to buy a brand new M1, pro v 1’s or a Scotty right of the bat. When I first started I went to big 5 and got a full set of John Daly’s for 120 bag included. Any sport gets more expensive when you get to higher levels. It’s not Scotty Cameron’s fault that 30 handicaps want to buy high end stuff when a set of John Daly’s would suffice. I do have a Scotty Cameron but I’m a 4 handicap and feel makes a difference to me. It’s the only club that I didn’t buy used because I feel that a putter is the best investment in the bag.
Mark
Aug 30, 2016 at 2:05 am
Marketing gone mad. Amazing how many bad putters insist on SC wands…
Ken
Aug 30, 2016 at 2:15 am
anyone who thinks a $410 dollar putter will make them put better then a $139 putter does not watch pro golf much.
Steve
Aug 30, 2016 at 1:43 am
This really is silly. There was nothing stopping us from putting a 20g weight (or heavier) in the earlier Scotty’s, except for the outrageous price that Scotty Custom charged for a job a three-year old could do. Although my putter is at 34″, I have 30g weights, and I grip down to about 32″, which allows me to keep my arms fairly straight… Scotty, start making putters for people, instead of forcing them into a box.
Mat
Aug 30, 2016 at 1:08 am
When your junior wants your Scottie, he wants the actual Scottie, not this “made for kids” stuff. This defines “shank”.
Timmy Kimbles
Aug 30, 2016 at 12:42 am
Finally, a putter for us manlets!
M Shnizzle
Aug 30, 2016 at 12:41 am
Hahahaha $410 for a putter? Hahaha
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