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#61 pitchinwedge

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Posted 29 June 2016 - 03:14 PM

Another question for you Richie... am I correct that it's better to match a calculated MOI figure (kg/cm squared) rather than the measured SW?  The reason I ask is because I've read +/-0.5 SW progression with 3/8" intervals; however, some of my results are 0.25 SW or less between some clubs.

FWIW, I don't have the MOI machine but I do have a SW scale.  So again I'm using a spreadsheet to estimate the MOI for all clubs.  Thanks!

Edit:  I was thinking about adding a counter weight to the short-irons for better balance (ie. 12g OptiVibe at 10" down the shaft in the PW) but seems like doing so will drastically reduce SW.  Something just doesn't seem right.  I'm open to any suggestions.

Here's a chart of the components I'm working with if it helps:

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917 D2 8.50* - Tensei CK Pro White 60
917 F2 13.5* - Rogue Max 70
816 H2 19.0* - D+ Plus 90
716 T-MB (3i, 4i) - Modus 120
716 CB (5-PW) - Modus 120
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#62 RichieHunt

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Posted 01 July 2016 - 10:13 PM

I don't like the swingweight methodology for this exact point.  If you add a counterweight or a heavier grip, the SW drops.  

I have applied counterweights to my clubs and measured the MOI and the MOI stays the same.  

I have not used Tour Lock Opti-Vibe counterweights.   These are counterweights that you can move more up-and-down the shaft in order to get the SW you want.  I've talked to some clubmakers that have used the Opti-Vibe and if you slide it down the shaft more (towards the club head), the MOI increases...slightly.  

MOI increases the most when you add weight to the head.  And it increases less when you add weight towards the butt end.

With counterweights, since they are rather small...all of the weight goes towards the butt and you're not going to increase the MOI by much.

With the Enlow Grips, my guess is that since there is so much weight added towards the mouth of the grip...that is more down the shaft and that's why the MOI increases by about 20-30 points.

I would suggest that you get an MOI machine.  I know they aren't cheap, but it will completely change your buying habits and understanding of equipment.  And in the end, it will help you find the best possible fit and you will likely save money in the end instead of being dissatisfied with equipment and purchasing new equipment.





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Posted 04 July 2016 - 01:06 PM

Ok thanks again for your input Richie.  As you pointed out, the swingweight methodology seems to be misleading.  I was getting confused because the measured swingweights do not correlate well with my MOI calculations.  

Howard Jones (who seems to be a very reputable club builder), and number of others people on WRX, recommended the +/-0.5 SW progression with 3/8" intervals as a way to build a basic MOI matched set.  So, if I'm understanding this correctly now, they are suggesting the +/-0.5 SW progression as an alternative to estimating, calculating, or measuring actual MOI.  Since I've got good measurements for all my components, I think I should stick to the MOI calculation over measured SW.

As for balance, how noticeable do you think the difference will be within my set?  Doesn't seem like it will be bad between say the 6i and the 8i or 4i but perhaps another story when comparing 3i to PW?
917 D2 8.50* - Tensei CK Pro White 60
917 F2 13.5* - Rogue Max 70
816 H2 19.0* - D+ Plus 90
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716 CB (5-PW) - Modus 120
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Posted 08 July 2016 - 01:37 AM

Nice set(s)!  Just ordered the MOI speed match scale and looking forward to tweaking my setup as well.

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Posted 17 August 2016 - 01:15 PM

Richie,

I'm interested in how your Danger Zone© concept influenced your bag setup.  Particularly the decision to go with a 2h & 3h and eschew the traditional 56° sand wedge.

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FliHi 18° w/Altus
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#66 RichieHunt

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Posted 07 September 2016 - 07:23 AM

View PostDan Drake, on 17 August 2016 - 01:15 PM, said:

Richie,

I'm interested in how your Danger Zone© concept influenced your bag setup.  Particularly the decision to go with a 2h & 3h and eschew the traditional 56° sand wedge.

The big thing is the gapping.  I determined that I'd rather be in-between clubs with a short club than a long club.  It's just difficult to take off the appropriate amount of distance when you get to the longer clubs.  You can swing easier, but then you fear the 'swing easy and hit hard' shot.

I believe the hybrids should be the best clubs in your bag because you're essentially having to hit them the furthest from the worst lies.  So, I was determined to have a hybrid in my bag.

I used to carry a 3-iron and I found from a decent lie it's a bit more accurate to hit to the green than the hybrid.  But, the 3-hybrid works better from crappy lies and it is better at carrying trouble.  It also seemed to me that a lot of shots that require a 3-iron tend to have trouble in front of the green, so I wanted the 3-hybrid which could consistently carry the trouble no problem.

I went to a 52 degree because I noticed that I had an issue with the gap between my PW and 56* SW.  I also noticed that around the green I was far more likely to use my 60* LW than my 56* SW.

I also believed that I could probably find a 52* SW that I could more easily adjust my shot to hit it around the green than I could with a PW and trying to hit a 125 yard shot into the green.

So, I set out to find a 52* SW that was shaped more like a 56* SW, but I could hit 120-125 yards.  The Vokey does the trick really well.  In fact, I will use the 52* on shots from 60-75 yards where I spin the ball a ton and it works like magic.

I also saw that Ernie Els and Sang Moon Bae, both having good (if not great) short games both used the 52* SW with a 60* LW and no 56* SW.  So it wasn't like I was totally off the wall with the idea.






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Posted 07 September 2016 - 10:36 AM

View PostRichieHunt, on 07 September 2016 - 07:23 AM, said:

View PostDan Drake, on 17 August 2016 - 01:15 PM, said:

Richie,

I'm interested in how your Danger Zone© concept influenced your bag setup.  Particularly the decision to go with a 2h & 3h and eschew the traditional 56° sand wedge.

The big thing is the gapping.  I determined that I'd rather be in-between clubs with a short club than a long club.  It's just difficult to take off the appropriate amount of distance when you get to the longer clubs.  You can swing easier, but then you fear the 'swing easy and hit hard' shot.

I believe the hybrids should be the best clubs in your bag because you're essentially having to hit them the furthest from the worst lies.  So, I was determined to have a hybrid in my bag.

I used to carry a 3-iron and I found from a decent lie it's a bit more accurate to hit to the green than the hybrid.  But, the 3-hybrid works better from crappy lies and it is better at carrying trouble.  It also seemed to me that a lot of shots that require a 3-iron tend to have trouble in front of the green, so I wanted the 3-hybrid which could consistently carry the trouble no problem.

I went to a 52 degree because I noticed that I had an issue with the gap between my PW and 56* SW.  I also noticed that around the green I was far more likely to use my 60* LW than my 56* SW.

I also believed that I could probably find a 52* SW that I could more easily adjust my shot to hit it around the green than I could with a PW and trying to hit a 125 yard shot into the green.

So, I set out to find a 52* SW that was shaped more like a 56* SW, but I could hit 120-125 yards.  The Vokey does the trick really well.  In fact, I will use the 52* on shots from 60-75 yards where I spin the ball a ton and it works like magic.

I also saw that Ernie Els and Sang Moon Bae, both having good (if not great) short games both used the 52* SW with a 60* LW and no 56* SW.  So it wasn't like I was totally off the wall with the idea.






RH

Thank you for the explanation, I'm very seriously considering going to an identical bag setup.  I have a few "beliefs" when it comes to bag setup and your bag matches them perfectly and I want to emulate that.  

Would you mind posting your carry yardages with your current bag, just so I can see how you have your Danger Zone clubs gapped vs your short game clubs?  

Thank you,

Dan
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E8 ß 12° w/Rogue
FliHi 18° w/Altus
AP2 4-W w/DG
Vokey 54° SS w/DG
ATV 60° w/DG Spinner
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Posted 07 September 2016 - 12:08 PM

View PostDan Drake, on 07 September 2016 - 10:36 AM, said:


Thank you for the explanation, I'm very seriously considering going to an identical bag setup.  I have a few "beliefs" when it comes to bag setup and your bag matches them perfectly and I want to emulate that.  

Would you mind posting your carry yardages with your current bag, just so I can see how you have your Danger Zone clubs gapped vs your short game clubs?  

Thank you,

Dan

Here's my carry yardages:

Driver = 270-280 yards
3-wood = 240-250 yards
2-Hybrid = 230-235 yards
3-hybrid = 220-225 yards
4-iron = 208 yards
5-iron = 195 yards
6-iron = 182 yards
7-iron = 170 yards
8-iron = 158 yards
9-iron = 147 yards
P-Wedge = 136 yards
S-Wedge (52*) = 122 yards
L-Wedge (60*) = 90 yards






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Posted 07 September 2016 - 01:25 PM

View PostRichieHunt, on 07 September 2016 - 12:08 PM, said:

View PostDan Drake, on 07 September 2016 - 10:36 AM, said:

Thank you for the explanation, I'm very seriously considering going to an identical bag setup.  I have a few "beliefs" when it comes to bag setup and your bag matches them perfectly and I want to emulate that.  

Would you mind posting your carry yardages with your current bag, just so I can see how you have your Danger Zone clubs gapped vs your short game clubs?  

Thank you,

Dan

Here's my carry yardages:

Driver = 270-280 yards
3-wood = 240-250 yards
2-Hybrid = 230-235 yards
3-hybrid = 220-225 yards
4-iron = 208 yards
5-iron = 195 yards
6-iron = 182 yards
7-iron = 170 yards
8-iron = 158 yards
9-iron = 147 yards
P-Wedge = 136 yards
S-Wedge (52*) = 122 yards
L-Wedge (60*) = 90 yards






RH

Thank you.  Those are within a yard or two of my yardages as well.  The top end of the bag really comes into play on a good number of holes (par 5's x 4, long par 3's, long par 4's, holes where you don't hit the driver very well, etc.).  These holes, it's nice to take 3 from long distance, but way more important to NOT take 5, and having good gaps allows for fuller, freer swings, like you said.

I'm also very happy to hear that the 52° works well for you as a partial wedge club.  I often though that it would be even better than a 60°, due to the optimal launch angle for spin generation AND the fact that 52° is a bit more forgiving than 60°.  I would imagine that for those mid range shots where you don't have to carry anything, the 52° is the optimal club.
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E8 ß 12° w/Rogue
FliHi 18° w/Altus
AP2 4-W w/DG
Vokey 54° SS w/DG
ATV 60° w/DG Spinner
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Posted 08 November 2017 - 10:47 PM

Current WITB:

Driver: Callaway Epic, 9.0* loft, 45-3/8" Fujikura Atmos Blue 7x shaft (gamer), TaylorMade M1, 9.5*, 45-3/8" Fujikura VC6.1 (X-Stiff)

3-Wood: Cobra King F6+, 13* loft, 43" Fujikura Atmos Blue 7x shaft

2-Hybrid: Titleist 816H1, 17* loft, 41" Fujikura Motore 8.8HB Tour Spec (Stiff)

3-Hybrid: Titleist 816H2, 19* loft, 40-3/4" Fujikura Motore 8.8HB Tour Spec (Stiff)

4-iron thru P-Wedge: Srixon Z945, standard lie and loft, True Temper Dynamic Gold Tour Issue X100 shafts

S-Wedge: Titleist Vokey Spin Milled 6 F-Grind, 52* loft, 12* bounce, 36-1/4" Nippon Modus 125 Wedge shaft

L-Wedge: Edel Golf Digger Grind, 60* loft, 22* bounce, 35-5/8" Nippon Modus 125 Wedge shaft

Putter:  Toulon Design Long Island, 35" long, 3* loft, 70* lie angle.


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Posted 08 November 2017 - 10:56 PM

I'm currently gaming the Callaway Epic for now, but I also have the M1 on standby.  I think I'm more consistent from a distance perspective with the M1, but the Epic reacts to toe hits better.

The change to the Titleist hybrids has been great.  They are excellent for me.  I plan on getting fitted for new clubs in the Spring and I will not touch the hybrids as I like them so much.

The irons are still the same, although I'm probably going to go to cavity backs in the Spring and perhaps some sort of composite shafts.  I'm working diligently on my swing and I'm making steady progress and I want to have the swing close to where I want it before I go to new irons.

I'm still using the same wedge designs, but I'm using the SM6.  The bore is a little longer on the SM6 and thus the head is about 2 grams lighter.  

The Edel LW is still the best LW I've ever hit.  

I went to the Toulon Long Island.  I actually had a Cameron, but that didn't fit my stroke and this fits my stroke better and I now make a lot more right-to-left putts and feel more comfortable under the short putts.  It's also got a great feel

All of my clubs, driver thru LW are still MOI matched and fitted.







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Posted 09 November 2017 - 12:51 PM

Great Distances!!!
My soon to be 48 WITB ;

Driver: Mizuno JPX 900 8.5*/ 661 X 45"
3-Wood: Titleist FD 13.5*/ S+ 70 X 43.0"
2 Hybrid: Ping G 17*/ Stock 90 X. 40.7"
4 Utility: Callaway Apex UT 21*, DG s. 39.2"
Irons: Callaway 5 & 6i Apex , X2H pro 7i-Pw 6.0
Wedge: Callaway FORGED V 56* Stock.
Putter: Callaway Odyssey #1 WIDE, 33"


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Posted 09 November 2017 - 05:14 PM

Well you know me Richie I had to come on here and see what you have done next--- As always very interesting----
Driver: Titleist 915 D-2 Mitsubishi Diamana 65 R
3 Wood Adams Super S 15* Bassara Regular flex
Hybrid - TM Rescue Mid 19* Pro Launch Blue
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5 Iron 1980 Macgregor VIP TT S-300 High Launch
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Posted 09 November 2017 - 05:29 PM

Baller alert!  Nice gear man.
TM M1 Tour issue 9.5* - Atmos Blue
TM M1 Tour issue 15* - Atmos Blue
TM R15 Tour issue 19* - Rome 988
PXG 0311T - ProjectX LZ 6.0
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