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52 degree or 54 degree wedge, which one


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#1 joecollege

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Posted 14 June 2007 - 01:02 PM

I noticed in the last edition of Golf digest, the wedge article, the suggestion was  a 52 and a 58 setup. I curently play the 54 and 58 MP-R wedges.  

Here is the technical. I used to play the MP-14's. The pitching wedge was 50 degrees. So when I bought wedges, the spacing was 4 degrees. Now I play the MP-32's and the pitching wedge is 47. Therefore the spacing is 7 degrees and 4 degrees. I have been playing the 54 with good success and was curious what others thought.  Is there a big difference in 2 degrees? Right now I hit my 54 at 100 yards and for a varity a shots around the green, a la Ernie els single wedge philsophy. The 58 is used as a sand wedge or when I need to lay it open and hit a high shot. My inquirey was based on looking at the WITB on this site and reading the WITB's in Golf Digest.

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Posted 14 June 2007 - 01:15 PM

I play the 54* 58* setup. I used to play a 52 , but then I started playing the Nike blades, which standard have a 49* PW. The 54* came out to be a good gap. The real deciding factor is your yardage gap between the PW, and the next. If you're comfortable with the Mp32's PW, and the gap of 7*, then stick with it, I'd say it would be okay.

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Posted 14 June 2007 - 01:16 PM

i would say either 52,58 or 54,60
with your pw the 52 58 would probably work better, with a 5 degree between pw and 52 and then 6 degrees between that and the 58, and you could also save some money because you already have the 58

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Posted 14 June 2007 - 01:19 PM

I would think you'd want a fairly consistent spacing between your PW and your highest lofted wedge.  With a 47 or 48 degeee PW, I'd think you'd either want 52,56,60 or 52,58 or 54,60.

For me, I carry the 51,56,60 Mizuno combo right now.  But I'm finding that I use the gap wedge seldom and I'd like to get my 3-iron back in the bag.  So I'm switching to a 54,60 combo instead, and I'll probably use the 54 out of most bunkers.  We'll see how it goes - I've been using 52,56,60 for about the last 8 years so it'll be kind of a big change.
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Posted 14 June 2007 - 02:20 PM

I don't believe the 2* difference makes that big of a difference. The biggest thing difference to me would be to have a low bounce and a high bounce wedge. My gap and lob wedges have low bounce but my sandwedge has a high bounce. This makes it easier from me to hit a variety of shots from different lies.


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Posted 14 June 2007 - 04:31 PM

It's more about bounce for me as well. I play a 50-08 and a 58-08 but also carry a high bounce 56* that virtually cannot be played off the fairway without a very agressive swing and a massive divot. It's great out of deep rough or bunkers though. Just drop the head on the ball and it's out. I rarely hit the 58* full and it's more for those short pitch shots. I recently added it and it's a great weapon. So for me the setup is more about usability in the bounce than distance. I am more a feel player and will pull 4 different clubs and 12 different shots from 100 out.

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Posted 14 June 2007 - 06:16 PM

IMOP it depends on how far you hit your PW.  Is there an unreasonable gap between your PW and your 54? Do you find yourself having to muscle your 54 a lot because the distance is to short to hit a soft PW comfortably?  I try to pay less attention to the loft of the club and more attention to what it does for me.  
How far do you carry it? How well do you hit it? How does it interact with the turf? Does it serve a purpose/fill a void in your bag?  

Those are all much more important questions then what the stated loft is of any club.  

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Posted 14 June 2007 - 06:27 PM

If you have the right 54, like the Vokey 254-10, it is very versatile.  And a 58 is easier to play than a 60.  I carry the 54/58 combo and am very happy with it....I have more confidence in those 2 wedges than any other I own

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Posted 14 June 2007 - 06:32 PM

just got my first proper wedges, Vokey spin milled 56-10 and 60-4.  Hope I made a good choice.  My instructor recommended the 60 and he's pretty damn good.

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Posted 14 June 2007 - 08:13 PM

First, thanks for all your input!

After reading the posts, I took a look at my distances with relation to the wedge and I am rarely stuck between having to muscle the 54. My pro has the 52/58 setup, but he said that he hits the ball shorter than I do (Boy, I wish I was getting paid for it). The 54 has been my go to with 100 to go and can play that David Toms' skipper wedge shot.

On the subject of the wedge itself, the reason I selected to go to the Mizuno MP-R was due to the unique sole grid of the club. Very similar the the Cleveland DSG, except that it is forged. I can hit it square or if needed, can lay it on it's back.

Just was curious what you guys (and ladies) thought on the subject.


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Posted 14 June 2007 - 08:41 PM

I'd feel comfortable with a 54* if I had a blade PW. My split cavity PW is too bulky to hit the shots I want inside 120, hence the lower lofted 50* wedge to start the more specific pin attacking trajectories.

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Posted 14 June 2007 - 08:43 PM

As others have said, it depends on your current PW and also what kind of wedge set-up you want to play (3 or 4). Personally, my 54deg SW is my favourite club in the bag. I also carry a 60deg and my PW is 48deg. If your PW is more like 46deg, then a 52 would probably be better.

I used to carry 4 wedges (52,56,60) and I hardly ever used the 56. I think the 54 is the ideal loft to take one of them out the bag, its great for pitching and a easy fullish swing gives me a nice even 100yds. I found the 52 to be more like a PW (just another iron) than an all purpose short game club which my 54 has become.

However, if you go this route I'd advise not getting a massive amount of bounce on a 54 wedge if it is to be used off the fairway, especially in firm conditions. I've got a TM TP 54deg wedge with 10deg of bounce and this works well of both the fairway and out of the sand and cabbage.

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Posted 14 June 2007 - 08:49 PM

I have a 54.09* and a 60.04*.  It depends on what you do most with your wedges.  I like the 54, out of the sand and from around 80yds out.  I use the 60 from anywhere in that and they are both money.  I find myself using the 60 around the green when I get a bad bounce and the green is uphill.  It is a tuff shot but since I work on a golf course, get all the free golf I want, and practice everyday it is my go to shot.  I love my wedge set-up and I think I would use my 54 a lot more than a 52 and I would use a 60 because of the low bounce a lot more than the 58.

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Posted 14 June 2007 - 08:58 PM

View Postjlww3, on Jun 14 2007, 07:16 PM, said:

IMOP it depends on how far you hit your PW.  Is there an unreasonable gap between your PW and your 54? Do you find yourself having to muscle your 54 a lot because the distance is to short to hit a soft PW comfortably?  I try to pay less attention to the loft of the club and more attention to what it does for me.  
How far do you carry it? How well do you hit it? How does it interact with the turf? Does it serve a purpose/fill a void in your bag?  

Those are all much more important questions then what the stated loft is of any club.  

jlww3

This is the best post so far IMO.  If you hit your PW 125 and your gap wedge (52, 54 or whatever) up to 105, and hit your LW (58, 60 or whatever) up to 85, then you have good spacing.  You can fill the 20 yard gaps by choking down or making a shorter swing.

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Posted 14 June 2007 - 11:31 PM

I play 54 & 60. I've used to play 52 & 58 but honestly both set up's are basically the same.

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Posted 14 June 2007 - 11:40 PM

I play the following:

PW 46*
GW 50*
SW 54*
LW 58"

Seems to work well for me

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Posted 15 June 2007 - 12:45 AM

View Postbammerz59, on Jun 14 2007, 06:13 PM, said:

First, thanks for all your input!

After reading the posts, I took a look at my distances with relation to the wedge and I am rarely stuck between having to muscle the 54. My pro has the 52/58 setup, but he said that he hits the ball shorter than I do (Boy, I wish I was getting paid for it). The 54 has been my go to with 100 to go and can play that David Toms' skipper wedge shot.

On the subject of the wedge itself, the reason I selected to go to the Mizuno MP-R was due to the unique sole grid of the club. Very similar the the Cleveland DSG, except that it is forged. I can hit it square or if needed, can lay it on it's back.

Just was curious what you guys (and ladies) thought on the subject.

I have the MP-Rs in 54-10 and 60-05.  I love them and the forged feel is great.  I came from a Cleveland CG10 58 standard bounce and the switch to forged was positive for me.  I also abide by the "consistent loft" theory, with 6 degrees from 48 PW to 54 SW to 60 LW.  You cannot go wrong with the MP-Rs.  Not only is the grind good, but the grooves are sweet as well.  I didn't think I would take a Cleveland wedge out of my bag until I played these babies.  Let me know if you concur after some time with your MP-Rs.

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Posted 15 June 2007 - 11:45 AM

I'll second your call on the MP-R's. I too came from Cleveland, playing the FoamForged 900's in gunmetal. They where sweet, but too heavy. I was looking at the Cleveland DSG's when I saw the MP-R's in the display. They both had relatively the same principle with the grind, but the weight was lighter in the Mizzy's, not to mention the forged feel.

Always fighting the golf advertisments towards new and improved equipment, did you see the Mizuno wedge ad with the guy hitting with the shovel? Makes sense to me. Back to the subject-

I play the 54 and 58 with 10 degrees bounce. My wedge game has greatly improved due to the weight and the bounce not being so drastic as my old Cleveland's. My golf game has progressed from being a digger to hitting more shallow-if that makes sense. The Mizuno's are really nice, easy to set up and that brings more confidence. Coupled with my MP-32's, there seems to be little gap between the PW and the wedges. So I'll stay with what I have.

Thanks for your input!

Edited by bammerz59, 15 June 2007 - 11:47 AM.


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Posted 16 June 2007 - 08:49 AM

i've played 52/58 and 52/56, but right now i think 54/60 is the best combination that works for me..   depending on which course i play i actually carry a 64 sometimes as well..

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Posted 16 June 2007 - 09:05 AM

I play a 53° and 58°. The 300 Forged PW is 48° so I go for 5° gaps. Has worked out fine over the last year and a bit.

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Posted 28 December 2013 - 09:31 PM

View Postezra76, on 14 June 2007 - 04:31 PM, said:

It's more about bounce for me as well. I play a 50-08 and a 58-08 but also carry a high bounce 56* that virtually cannot be played off the fairway without a very agressive swing and a massive divot. It's great out of deep rough or bunkers though. Just drop the head on the ball and it's out. I rarely hit the 58* full and it's more for those short pitch shots. I recently added it and it's a great weapon. So for me the setup is more about usability in the bounce than distance. I am more a feel player and will pull 4 different clubs and 12 different shots from 100 out.

Ordered the Cleveland 588 TT irons with TT SL Dynalite XP shafts.  The W is ridiculously strong, a 9 iron loft from the "old" days.  Thinking of going with Cleveland 50*-8* for DW, 54*-8* RTX CB (custom, very lofted pw), and 58*-12* on the SW/Lob.

I play a lot of southern, wet, tight fairways,

I am thinking 3 PW type wedge s, and 1 true SW.

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Posted 28 December 2013 - 09:51 PM

View Postmetrybill, on 28 December 2013 - 09:31 PM, said:

View Postezra76, on 14 June 2007 - 04:31 PM, said:

It's more about bounce for me as well. I play a 50-08 and a 58-08 but also carry a high bounce 56* that virtually cannot be played off the fairway without a very agressive swing and a massive divot. It's great out of deep rough or bunkers though. Just drop the head on the ball and it's out. I rarely hit the 58* full and it's more for those short pitch shots. I recently added it and it's a great weapon. So for me the setup is more about usability in the bounce than distance. I am more a feel player and will pull 4 different clubs and 12 different shots from 100 out.

Ordered the Cleveland 588 TT irons with TT SL Dynalite XP shafts.  The W is ridiculously strong, a 9 iron loft from the "old" days.  Thinking of going with Cleveland 50*-8* for DW, 54*-8* RTX CB (custom, very lofted pw), and 58*-12* on the SW/Lob.

I play a lot of southern, wet, tight fairways,

I am thinking 3 PW type wedge s, and 1 true SW.

Man those wedges sure did spin though back in 2007 didn't they?
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Posted 28 December 2013 - 11:03 PM

View PostJay845, on 14 June 2007 - 11:40 PM, said:

I play the following:

PW 46*
GW 50*
SW 54*
LW 58"

Seems to work well for me

I am light years from this post but it rings very well with me.  Low, PW type  bounce (6* to 8*) on the 46, 50, and 54 until some modest bounce (12*) on the 58,

By today's standard loft, before the modern game, the old Masters of the game played with 3 wedges - 9 iron (today's P) by loft), Wedge (50*) and SW (54*-56*). Take into account the balata, spinning golf balls of the era, and we are still where we started out 40+ years ago.  Same clubs but with different numbers.  Today's 5 iron was the 3 or 4 iron of my youth.

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Posted 28 December 2013 - 11:08 PM

View PostBamaPhiSig, on 28 December 2013 - 09:51 PM, said:

View Postmetrybill, on 28 December 2013 - 09:31 PM, said:

View Postezra76, on 14 June 2007 - 04:31 PM, said:

It's more about bounce for me as well. I play a 50-08 and a 58-08 but also carry a high bounce 56* that virtually cannot be played off the fairway without a very agressive swing and a massive divot. It's great out of deep rough or bunkers though. Just drop the head on the ball and it's out. I rarely hit the 58* full and it's more for those short pitch shots. I recently added it and it's a great weapon. So for me the setup is more about usability in the bounce than distance. I am more a feel player and will pull 4 different clubs and 12 different shots from 100 out.

Ordered the Cleveland 588 TT irons with TT SL Dynalite XP shafts.  The W is ridiculously strong, a 9 iron loft from the "old" days.  Thinking of going with Cleveland 50*-8* for DW, 54*-8* RTX CB (custom, very lofted pw), and 58*-12* on the SW/Lob.

I play a lot of southern, wet, tight fairways,

I am thinking 3 PW type wedge s, and 1 true SW.

Man those wedges sure did spin though back in 2007 didn't they?

Absolutely.  Long and short, too. Remember the low, spinning, check knockdown shot?

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Posted 28 December 2013 - 11:30 PM

View Postmetrybill, on 28 December 2013 - 11:08 PM, said:

View PostBamaPhiSig, on 28 December 2013 - 09:51 PM, said:

View Postmetrybill, on 28 December 2013 - 09:31 PM, said:

View Postezra76, on 14 June 2007 - 04:31 PM, said:

It's more about bounce for me as well. I play a 50-08 and a 58-08 but also carry a high bounce 56* that virtually cannot be played off the fairway without a very agressive swing and a massive divot. It's great out of deep rough or bunkers though. Just drop the head on the ball and it's out. I rarely hit the 58* full and it's more for those short pitch shots. I recently added it and it's a great weapon. So for me the setup is more about usability in the bounce than distance. I am more a feel player and will pull 4 different clubs and 12 different shots from 100 out.

Ordered the Cleveland 588 TT irons with TT SL Dynalite XP shafts.  The W is ridiculously strong, a 9 iron loft from the "old" days.  Thinking of going with Cleveland 50*-8* for DW, 54*-8* RTX CB (custom, very lofted pw), and 58*-12* on the SW/Lob.

I play a lot of southern, wet, tight fairways,

I am thinking 3 PW type wedge s, and 1 true SW.

Man those wedges sure did spin though back in 2007 didn't they?

Absolutely.  Long and short, too. Remember the low, spinning, check knockdown shot?

Yep.  I had to break in those old spin milled because they spun too much.

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Posted 29 December 2013 - 04:37 AM

View PostKTgolf1, on 14 June 2007 - 08:43 PM, said:

Personally, my 54deg SW is my favourite club in the bag. I also carry a 60deg and my PW is 48deg. If your PW is more like 46deg, then a 52 would probably be better.

I used to carry 4 wedges (52,56,60) and I hardly ever used the 56. I think the 54 is the ideal loft to take one of them out the bag, its great for pitching and a easy fullish swing gives me a nice even 100yds. I found the 52 to be more like a PW (just another iron) than an all purpose short game club which my 54 has become.

However, if you go this route I'd advise not getting a massive amount of bounce on a 54 wedge if it is to be used off the fairway, especially in firm conditions. I've got a TM TP 54deg wedge with 10deg of bounce and this works well of both the fairway and out of the sand and cabbage.

I agree - the 54* is my favourite and probably most used club. I add a 60* though I could add a 58*. I previously used a 52* but the 54* is much more versatile for sand and chipping.

But in winter here in the UK the ground is very mushy, and I'm glad of the 13* bounce on my X-Tour 54*. And when the bunkers are wet and compacted I'm glad of the lower bounce 60*.

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Posted 29 December 2013 - 09:14 PM

My problem is that the ap1 714 pw is now 44 degrees and the gw that comes with the ap1  714 is 48 degrees.I hit that around 110-115 and form there I have a 52 that I hit around 100 and my sand wedge at 56 that carries me around 85.Both are 12 bounce but I am going for a titilest fitting so I am hoping to get some recommendations from the fitter.I use my 56,sand from 50 yards and in.Didn't have much control with my 60 but that became my 15th club now.

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Posted 29 December 2013 - 09:35 PM

Which of the two lofted wedges do you want to play as your sand wedge?

I prefer something in the neighborhood of 55* or 56* with some flange and bounce for my sand wedge.  I prefer a lob wedge to have less bounce.  So I play a Vokey TVD 54* wedge bent to 55* for my main sand wedge! and a 60* wedge for my lob wedge.  I play my AP1 PW bent 1 degree weak, and no gap wedge.  I make my PW do a lot of different things.  I have even used an AP2 PW with my AP1's.
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Posted 29 December 2013 - 10:03 PM

View Postjoecollege, on 14 June 2007 - 01:02 PM, said:

I noticed in the last edition of Golf digest, the wedge article, the suggestion was  a 52 and a 58 setup. I curently play the 54 and 58 MP-R wedges.  

Here is the technical. I used to play the MP-14's. The pitching wedge was 50 degrees. So when I bought wedges, the spacing was 4 degrees. Now I play the MP-32's and the pitching wedge is 47. Therefore the spacing is 7 degrees and 4 degrees. I have been playing the 54 with good success and was curious what others thought.  Is there a big difference in 2 degrees? Right now I hit my 54 at 100 yards and for a varity a shots around the green, a la Ernie els single wedge philsophy. The 58 is used as a sand wedge or when I need to lay it open and hit a high shot. My inquirey was based on looking at the WITB on this site and reading the WITB's in Golf Digest.

Thanks!


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Posted 30 December 2013 - 06:09 AM

View Postjoecollege, on 14 June 2007 - 01:02 PM, said:

I noticed in the last edition of Golf digest, the wedge article, the suggestion was  a 52 and a 58 setup. I curently play the 54 and 58 MP-R wedges.  

Here is the technical. I used to play the MP-14's. The pitching wedge was 50 degrees. So when I bought wedges, the spacing was 4 degrees. Now I play the MP-32's and the pitching wedge is 47. Therefore the spacing is 7 degrees and 4 degrees. I have been playing the 54 with good success and was curious what others thought.  Is there a big difference in 2 degrees? Right now I hit my 54 at 100 yards and for a varity a shots around the green, a la Ernie els single wedge philsophy. The 58 is used as a sand wedge or when I need to lay it open and hit a high shot. My inquirey was based on looking at the WITB on this site and reading the WITB's in Golf Digest.

Thanks!
Go with a 50* and keep what you have now.


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