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Posted 08 June 2007 - 11:01 AM

if you hit a shot that happens to pass over an inlet, and just fall in the hazrard over the inlet, are you supposed to play it from where the ball first passed over the water, or can you play it from where it passed over the inlet...?

ball never hit the inlet, just crosses it and goes into the water...

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Posted 08 June 2007 - 11:03 AM

Margin of the hazard is the orientation point you are looking for, so don't worry about the inlet, look for the red or yellow line.
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Posted 08 June 2007 - 11:10 AM

A little more info........................what is the inlet marked as red or yellow??? If red there are options and yellow very limited... respond and I will sum it up
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Posted 08 June 2007 - 11:04 PM

margins of the inlet are all marked with red stakes up and down the hole where the lake / pond borders the land...

the ball travelled from behind the water passed over the inlet and landed in the water just over the inlet...

the ball never touched any part of the inlet, just crossed over top of it and into the drink...

got into a bit of a argument cause i played it from where it went over the inlet... if i'm wrong i'd just like to know for the next time... it was a friendly game, no money, but the one guy who usually shoots well, was having a lousy day, so he started nitpicking...

i play by the rules of golf, so i'd like to know what the official ruling is...

here's a diagram of what happened...

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this is so off scale, but i did this in 2 mintues... i hit about 250 yards off the tee, and put it on the first cut of rough on the left... i then hit a 6 iron about 180 yards which went into the drink, via the path shown... of course it didn't move around that much in the air... ;)... it did have a little draw on it though, which was totally not what i wanted to do, but that's hindsight...
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Posted 08 June 2007 - 11:06 PM

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Posted 09 June 2007 - 02:39 AM

That looks like a correct dropping point, as it is where the ball last crossed the margin of the hazard. In this example, the inlet was irrelevant, all that mattered was that little corner of water where your ball went in.

Your drop choices were:

1. replay the shot from where you hit in the water (probably a bad choice in this case)

2. drop behind the hazard, as far as you like, keeping the point it crossed between you and the hole

3. drop outside the hazard within 2 club lengths not nearer the hold (lateral water hazard only).

It is difficult to see from the diagram whether you did 2 or 3, (or possibly both), but looks like a good drop.
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Posted 09 June 2007 - 11:25 AM

in this situation i dropped 2 club lengths from where it last crossed the hazard margin...

i was unaware that i could have taken it as far back as i liked... but i now know that those are my options in a lateral hazard...

thanks for the clarification fellas...
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Posted 12 June 2007 - 04:13 PM

Since it's red, you could also drop on the opposite side of the hazard equidistant from the hole.

I've only seen that done once.

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Posted 12 June 2007 - 04:18 PM

DMp32-

That's some mad drawing skills considering it looks like you did it in 2 minutes. It made understanding a lot easier.

(No, I'm not being sarcastic. It would take me an hour to draw that on a computer.)
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Posted 12 June 2007 - 08:21 PM

View Postminitour, on Jun 12 2007, 05:13 PM, said:

Since it's red, you could also drop on the opposite side of the hazard equidistant from the hole.

I've only seen that done once.


I have done this and it paid off for me. On the 8th hole of the Champion Course at PGA National, I hooked my tee shot into the water left. If I were to take my drop at that point, I would be behind two large trees and still have to carry another hazard short of the green, in other words, not possible.

Using my range finder, I found the distance to the hole, walked around to the other side of the lake and using my range finder, made sure I was no closer to the hole and dropped my ball within two clublengths on the other side, which happened to be just off the 3rd fairway. I then hit my shot onto the green and made the putt to save par.

Although my opponent didn't like it, (he made bogey from the fairway), I was well within the rules. There are few situations where this is helpful, or practical, but sometimes it's the best move.
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Posted 12 June 2007 - 08:38 PM

View PostBILL12x, on Jun 12 2007, 09:21 PM, said:

View Postminitour, on Jun 12 2007, 05:13 PM, said:

Since it's red, you could also drop on the opposite side of the hazard equidistant from the hole.

I've only seen that done once.


I have done this and it paid off for me. On the 8th hole of the Champion Course at PGA National, I hooked my tee shot into the water left. If I were to take my drop at that point, I would be behind two large trees and still have to carry another hazard short of the green, in other words, not possible.

Using my range finder, I found the distance to the hole, walked around to the other side of the lake and using my range finder, made sure I was no closer to the hole and dropped my ball within two clublengths on the other side, which happened to be just off the 3rd fairway. I then hit my shot onto the green and made the putt to save par.

Although my opponent didn't like it, (he made bogey from the fairway), I was well within the rules. There are few situations where this is helpful, or practical, but sometimes it's the best move.


Can somebody cite me the rule for this option? Not calling bullsh$%, but I've never heard of drop it wherever you like as long as it's no closer, or "equidistant". I don't have a rulebook handy, but I thought mjtoal was spot on. If you don't take 2 club lengths or hit from the original spot, you must keep the point of entry between you & the hole.
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Posted 12 June 2007 - 09:06 PM

Fully explained in this USGA animation. The same would be true if it were a lake, not just a ravine as used in the animation, as long as you drop at a point equidistant from the hole. If the lake is big enough, this may not be possible.

http://www.usga.org/...les/animations/
Then scroll down to Lateral water hazards

Rule 26-1c As additional options available only if the ball last crossed the margin of a lateral water hazard, drop a ball outside the water hazard within two club-lengths of and not nearer the hole than (i) the point where the original ball last crossed the margin of the water hazard or (ii) a point on the opposite margin of the water hazard equidistant from the hole.
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