Hey guys, I've been out of the loop for awhile. I was probably the first thorn in Ryans side on this very subject some time ago. My problem was I viewed these, "forums" as places to post your opinion's and for some reason in my mind that loosely translates into, "freedom of speech" somehow. So I found myself getting all bent out of shape feeling like my rights were violated and yada, yada, yada. The bottom line is this is their sandbox and they make the rules. If you don't like it you have some choices. You can find another sandbox. You can decide forums just aren't for you. Or you can build your own sandbox and make your own rules! If you choose the latter I promise I'll visit! Anyways I know where your coming from Springbok but your blowing things out of proportion and its really not worth it. Take a break from this site for awhile and check out some others, I find they are all fairly similar in that respect so I choose to respect their rules now if I want to play in their sandbox.
Disclaimer: The sandbox thing was something I read
in a post by Doug on TCC forums and it was ultimately
what made me see the light.
Gotta disagree with you there Placebo. It's the members that make the content. And if your members feel like they have to walk on eggshells with their speech (posts), the content will be mediocre at best.
Similarly, there is no reason the rules and the application of those rules can't be discussed openly. Maybe Springbok is blowing things out of proportion, maybe he isn't. But I can't help but wonder if he'd been allowed to vent earlier if things would have gone this far. My experience with message boards is that the members themselves are the best moderators. If a post is out of line, the other members should, and do, let the poster know. And not just by hitting the "report" button - remember, you are always going to hear from the people unhappy with the post, not those who don't mind the post. (Maybe if there was a "Report if you are unhappy with the moderating done to this post/thread" button, things would be more even?)
Oddly enough Charlie I agree with you. I just try to put myself in the mods shoes. You know how the old adage goes: "You can please some of the people some of the time, but you can't please all of the people all of the time" There is no way the mods can keep everyone happy with what is allowed and what is not, it's a catch-22. The best they can do is set general guidelines and try their best to enforce them without offending anyone. Not an easy task imo.
Instead of ranting about it use the energy to make something better.
Ok, honestly, I have no idea what all has happened and quite frankly I don't really care. Evidentally something has happened that has caused a problem between Deon and the Mods. I hate that Deon chooses not to participate in this forum anymore as his stuff was insightful and he took great pics.
I do at times think that things get a little choppy around here. Some people jump the gun and get a little personal and it seems like those things get let go. Then you have someone cross the line too much and something gets deleted.
Hoenstly, we all need to step back and look at the big stinking picture. This is a golf forum. This is not a place to sit here and rant and rave back and forth over and over again. We are all adults here, including our younger members as some of them have insightful posts as well. We all need to act like adults and carry ourselves with class.
I am still a member here until class walks out the door and I can say that there have been some posts lately that have had zero-class, but it is impossible to always keep things in line.
Let's just all put our differences aside and move on together and try to find the happy median that we should have. We don't all know each other personally, but we post enough on here to where we should have respect for each other.
Let's put ourselves in the other person's shoes before we roll off with some smart aleck comment or snide remark. Let's think about how a thread could turn in the wrong direction before we open it. Let's give the membership the chance to be civil before something is closed.
All in all, I still enjoy this site. There is still class left, but if it ever completely leaves then so will I. Hopefully that wont happen though.
There my rant is over. Let's all carry on and talk some golf.
Agree. And here's a good thread that we should be hanging out at doing what we can to make it's reply count higher than this thread.
That much is clear. Why don't you explain why you are unhappy.
Based on everything you've said in this thread, doesn't he have the right to not explain?
Of course! It was an invitation, not a directive.
And I'm glad you mention that, because it gives me the chance to say that I don't mind a well-played insult (just make sure its creative and funny). I'm just trying to explain that attacks without explanations are not likely to be given much thought by those who read them. And after all, if you are posting something, its because you want people to read it.
EDIT: Sorry TMF, I was typing this so I didn't see your post. I'll hold off for awhile.
And to TuffK-
If I genuinelly posted something NSFW, that was my mistake. If it happens again, just shoot me a PM. I think you'll see that I respond well.
Everybody likes to talk about their rights. We are all guests here, we have the rights that the website owners allow us to have, no more, no less. All we have to do is follow a few simple rules, basically just get along with your fellow members. It's not that hard. The leaders of this forum have shown a lot of class in keeping this thread open for discussion. I would not have been able to do so, I would have taken this as a personal attack and closed it. Let's talk golf!
Because that's a genuine abuse of mod powers in my opinion.
Again, glad that this thread is being allowed to stay. Productive discussions going on from both sides.
I am not kidding at all. I cut and pasted it to my Word when I saw the changes. And compared it to the original post. And I am not taking sides. It was just an observation. I love GolfWRX and this isn't going to change my mind.
I still don't understand your point? You saw a version with a quote box and then you saw it without? Are you saying someone changed the post?
Yes the post was changed. It wasn't a quote box. I was reading his original post only a minute after it was posted. Then I tried to refresh it to see any responses. That went to a broken link. I went back to the new posts button and clicked on it and what I saw is what I put in quotations. It wasn't a quote it was Springbok's original post that had been edited by someone other than himself because there was no "edited" tag at the bottom of the post.
Springbok is on this thread and can comment if his post was edited. It was removed and I brought it back. I didn't quote and unquote it but, the post is unmodified.
The thread was edited, and NOT by me. I have a copy of the edited thread, in which I am degraded, and a report of everthing that happened. The original was edited, but then a couple of minutes later, replaced with a copy of the original again. To my knowledge, only a mod and the creator of the thread can edit it. They have logs in MSQL, and I assure you that if they wanted to find out who edited my post, they can. My posting priviledges were recvoked, and I guess temporarliy restored. I guess to reply to this post. I don't intend on commenting any more on this topic, since obviously I am seriously out-gunned. However, the editing of my post is yet more proof of the issue that exists with moderation on this board.
The thread was edited, and NOT by me. I have a copy of the edited thread, in which I am degraded, and a report of everthing that happened. The original was edited, but then a couple of minutes later, replaced with a copy of the original again. To my knowledge, only a mod and the creator of the thread can edit it. They have logs in MSQL, and I assure you that if they wanted to find out who edited my post, they can. My posting priviledges were recvoked, and I guess temporarliy restored. I guess to reply to this post. I don't intend on commenting any more on this topic, since obviously I am seriously out-gunned. However, the editing of my post is yet more proof of the issue that exists with moderation on this board.
Yeah great job Deon, since that post is still around I'm sure that will . . . . oh yeah, it's gone, along with the 15 other posts you made today. Even if a mod did edit your post (it sure as heck wasn't me) I'm sure he or she was just blowing off a little steam. In 10 minutes today you've given us more work to do than the past 2 years. I had a chat from UST I was going to finish editing so I could post it tonight (how's that for a sob story) but instead I'm dealing with Deon's nonsense.
For everyone that didn't know Deon posted his "farewell cruel world" on every page of our forum and on other forums (GolfOpinions, GolfDiscussions) to "test" their moderation. All the other threads have been locked or deleted, only this one remains open.
Lay off the woe is me garbage . . . you're clutching at straws here.
Because that's a genuine abuse of mod powers in my opinion.
Again, glad that this thread is being allowed to stay. Productive discussions going on from both sides.
I am not kidding at all. I cut and pasted it to my Word when I saw the changes. And compared it to the original post. And I am not taking sides. It was just an observation. I love GolfWRX and this isn't going to change my mind.
I still don't understand your point? You saw a version with a quote box and then you saw it without? Are you saying someone changed the post?
Yes the post was changed. It wasn't a quote box. I was reading his original post only a minute after it was posted. Then I tried to refresh it to see any responses. That went to a broken link. I went back to the new posts button and clicked on it and what I saw is what I put in quotations. It wasn't a quote it was Springbok's original post that had been edited by someone other than himself because there was no "edited" tag at the bottom of the post.
Springbok is on this thread and can comment if his post was edited. It was removed and I brought it back. I didn't quote and unquote it but, the post is unmodified.
The thread was edited, and NOT by me. I have a copy of the edited thread, in which I am degraded, and a report of everthing that happened. The original was edited, but then a couple of minutes later, replaced with a copy of the original again. To my knowledge, only a mod and the creator of the thread can edit it. They have logs in MSQL, and I assure you that if they wanted to find out who edited my post, they can. My posting priviledges were recvoked, and I guess temporarliy restored. I guess to reply to this post. I don't intend on commenting any more on this topic, since obviously I am seriously out-gunned. However, the editing of my post is yet more proof of the issue that exists with moderation on this board.
Deon,
Littlepingman showed me a copy of the changed quote. That was wrong and should not have been done. I personally apologize for that.
The thread was edited, and NOT by me. I have a copy of the edited thread, in which I am degraded, and a report of everthing that happened. The original was edited, but then a couple of minutes later, replaced with a copy of the original again. To my knowledge, only a mod and the creator of the thread can edit it. They have logs in MSQL, and I assure you that if they wanted to find out who edited my post, they can. My posting priviledges were recvoked, and I guess temporarliy restored. I guess to reply to this post. I don't intend on commenting any more on this topic, since obviously I am seriously out-gunned. However, the editing of my post is yet more proof of the issue that exists with moderation on this board.
Thanks, I knew I wasn't totally crazy when I noticed that!!
while i haven't agreed with all locked and/or deleted threads, i know there is a reason and unfortunately, sometimes better safe than sorry. i've always had a great respect for golfwrx and the members of golfwrx, and was quite disappointed with springbok "fairwell" thread - which i thought was quite the drama queen thread, and additionally thought springbok was looking for more attention. however after reading this thread and this quoted post - i've become increasingly disappointed with some of the mods. someone makes a post that is deleted/edited and then ends up back with the mods taking credit for being the bigger person and allowing this thread open for discussion only to later found out springbok post was changed - while briefly - and posting privelages revoked - it just plain stinks. some of the mods responses have been downright tasteless in this post too.
today, i become disappointed in golfwrx - a very sad day.
Everybody likes to talk about their rights. We are all guests here, we have the rights that the website owners allow us to have, no more, no less. All we have to do is follow a few simple rules, basically just get along with your fellow members. It's not that hard. The leaders of this forum have shown a lot of class in keeping this thread open for discussion. I would not have been able to do so, I would have taken this as a personal attack and closed it. Let's talk golf!
Kevin
Great post! Thats exactly what I've been trying to say. They donate their own personal time, money, and effort to create this place and then let us all participate in it for FREE provided we follow a few simple rules. Why is that so hard to comprehend?
TuffKukae--Chill out dude. No need to point out everybody's flaws...er...what you think about people. I guarentee that you last post was not thought through for a second. There is a line between speaking your mind and degrading people based upon personal opinions.
The thread was edited, and NOT by me. I have a copy of the edited thread, in which I am degraded, and a report of everthing that happened. The original was edited, but then a couple of minutes later, replaced with a copy of the original again. To my knowledge, only a mod and the creator of the thread can edit it. They have logs in MSQL, and I assure you that if they wanted to find out who edited my post, they can. My posting priviledges were recvoked, and I guess temporarliy restored. I guess to reply to this post. I don't intend on commenting any more on this topic, since obviously I am seriously out-gunned. However, the editing of my post is yet more proof of the issue that exists with moderation on this board.
Thanks, I knew I wasn't totally crazy when I noticed that!!
while i haven't agreed with all locked and/or deleted threads, i know there is a reason and unfortunately, sometimes better safe than sorry. i've always had a great respect for golfwrx and the members of golfwrx, and was quite disappointed with springbok "fairwell" thread - which i thought was quite the drama queen thread, and additionally thought springbok was looking for more attention. however after reading this thread and this quoted post - i've become increasingly disappointed with some of the mods. someone makes a post that is deleted/edited and then ends up back with the mods taking credit for being the bigger person and allowing this thread open for discussion only to later found out springbok post was changed - while briefly - and posting privelages revoked - it just plain stinks. some of the mods responses have been downright tasteless in this post too.
today, i become disappointed in golfwrx - a very sad day.
During the initial post frenzy, there is a time of uncertainty on what to do. Moderators took action before I or Richard could step in. Its a reactive process. I restored Deon's account after he registered and posted multiple times the original message under another ID. I agree that its sad to see this but when Deon says he is going to take action and does so on multiple golf sites, I think a response is within reason. I don't expect other website owners would want us to come to their site to air grievances.
I am disappointed in the modified posting and have apologized to Deon for that.
while i haven't agreed with all locked and/or deleted threads, i know there is a reason and unfortunately, sometimes better safe than sorry. i've always had a great respect for golfwrx and the members of golfwrx, and was quite disappointed with springbok "fairwell" thread - which i thought was quite the drama queen thread, and additionally thought springbok was looking for more attention. however after reading this thread and this quoted post - i've become increasingly disappointed with some of the mods. someone makes a post that is deleted/edited and then ends up back with the mods taking credit for being the bigger person and allowing this thread open for discussion only to later found out springbok post was changed - while briefly - and posting privelages revoked - it just plain stinks. some of the mods responses have been downright tasteless in this post too.
today, i become disappointed in golfwrx - a very sad day.
I'm the moderator who limited Deon's account. Just to set the story straight, again, there's a REASON why Deon's posting privilidges were revoked. I can't speak to who edited his post, I agree that was poor taste. However, Deon posted his "farewell" on EVERY forum in GolfWRX (Tour, Domestic, Golfstyle, General Golf, etc). He left us no choice. If he had just left one I wouldn't have had to suspend him at all.
In typical Deon fashion, he forces us to take action against him and cries bloody murder when we do. So over the top, so much drama.
He's not suspended or limited in ANY way now, it's HIS choice now.
Allow me to set the record straight on the "edited post" so that all is transparent.
Also, we need to keep today's events in proper context. Lastly, I am speaking for myself, not for all marshalls nor ownership.
If members could see our deleted thread list, they would see several posts within minutes, under your Springbok name and your other accounts which you created which is in violation of GolfWRX rules. Regardless of what occurred before today, the fact is you premeditated and executed and attack on this site. Your original post was deleted and you still posted it again and again in an attempt to get your word out as well as frustrate marshalls who have better things to do than chase your threads around.
There was much chaos among the marshalls online not knowing how to head off the damage and what the official response would be until Ryan stepped in and restored order.
While that was going on, it was I who edited one of the many deleted threads and had some fun at your expense. It was not official policy or an attempt to ruin you. It's just humor/parody to highlight just how out of hand this situation has become over a very simple misunderstanding. However, I meant to move it into another "offline" forum before and accidentally placed it in the general forum. I realized my mistake quickly (within less than 5 minutes) and deleted it. I don't think any other marshall had a chance to see it. Yes, some members who just live on GolfWRX seemingly 24/7 and love to find away to stir up more trouble saw it. No big deal.
The thread was never meant for public consumption so we can all quit wasting time with the conspiracy theories. No one else knew I was doing it. If you know me, you know no harm is intended and if there is a misunderstanding, then I apologize to all.
On to more important matters. It's too bad the two of us had not exchanged much threads or PMs before. I think I could have addressed your concerns and helped you understand what is going on long before it got out of hand. But it's never too late. However, some consistency is needed from you. And so you know I harbor no ill will towards you, I was one of the first to nominate your picture taking efforts for a fuji shaft. All the stuff that happened after that went so fast, it blew right by me. I stayed out of it because it's a lot of work to go back and figure it all out. Plus, I trust there are other marshalls equally adept as myself in brokering agreements.
Anyways. Don't you think all this drama over golf postings and marshall behaviour is blown way out of proportion. I invite you to take a few steps back to when in your mind GolfWRX was a great place; when you really enjoyed being here. It's still that place. You just have to embrace the positive and rise above the very few things you do not like. It's never going to be perfect, believe me I know. But it can still be great. Just let go a little. You have a lot of passion, but maybe sometimes turning the volume down a little is best. Not off, not a dramatic departure, just a little down sometimes.
Good luck and hopefully this can be all squared away.
The thread was edited, and NOT by me. I have a copy of the edited thread, in which I am degraded, and a report of everthing that happened. The original was edited, but then a couple of minutes later, replaced with a copy of the original again. To my knowledge, only a mod and the creator of the thread can edit it. They have logs in MSQL, and I assure you that if they wanted to find out who edited my post, they can. My posting priviledges were recvoked, and I guess temporarliy restored. I guess to reply to this post. I don't intend on commenting any more on this topic, since obviously I am seriously out-gunned. However, the editing of my post is yet more proof of the issue that exists with moderation on this board.
Thanks, I knew I wasn't totally crazy when I noticed that!!
while i haven't agreed with all locked and/or deleted threads, i know there is a reason and unfortunately, sometimes better safe than sorry. i've always had a great respect for golfwrx and the members of golfwrx, and was quite disappointed with springbok "fairwell" thread - which i thought was quite the drama queen thread, and additionally thought springbok was looking for more attention. however after reading this thread and this quoted post - i've become increasingly disappointed with some of the mods. someone makes a post that is deleted/edited and then ends up back with the mods taking credit for being the bigger person and allowing this thread open for discussion only to later found out springbok post was changed - while briefly - and posting privelages revoked - it just plain stinks. some of the mods responses have been downright tasteless in this post too.
today, i become disappointed in golfwrx - a very sad day.
huh ?
maybe we thought this whole springbok thing was over.. I know I thought I did, atleast until tonight. I'll agree the post should not have been changed, but the correct wording was posted no less then a dozen times and by different alias of his. I guess we should all just ignore that obvious attack as well. Yes I know two wrongs dont make a right, but come on he is not an angel here either.
Anyone notice that gas is almost $3.50 a gallon for premium grade and that the 5-year swap rate index has increased by over 25 basis points in the last 2 weeks? I know those things aren't as important as a he said / she said discussion on a golf forum, but I just thought I point out some of the things that concern me.
Allow me to set the record straight on the "edited post" so that all is transparent.
Also, we need to keep today's events in proper context. Lastly, I am speaking for myself, not for all marshalls nor ownership.
If members could see our deleted thread list, they would see several posts within minutes, under your Springbok name and your other accounts which you created which is in violation of GolfWRX rules. Regardless of what occurred before today, the fact is you premeditated and executed and attack on this site. Your original post was deleted and you still posted it again and again in an attempt to get your word out as well as frustrate marshalls who have better things to do than chase your threads around.
There was much chaos among the marshalls online not knowing how to head off the damage and what the official response would be until Ryan stepped in and restored order.
While that was going on, it was I who edited one of the many deleted threads and had some fun at your expense. It was not official policy or an attempt to ruin you. It's just humor/parody to highlight just how out of hand this situation has become over a very simple misunderstanding. However, I meant to move it into another "offline" forum before and accidentally placed it in the general forum. I realized my mistake quickly (within less than 5 minutes) and deleted it. I don't think any other marshall had a chance to see it. Yes, some members who just live on GolfWRX seemingly 24/7 and love to find away to stir up more trouble saw it. No big deal.
The thread was never meant for public consumption so we can all quit wasting time with the conspiracy theories. No one else knew I was doing it. If you know me, you know no harm is intended and if there is a misunderstanding, then I apologize to all.
On to more important matters. It's too bad the two of us had not exchanged much threads or PMs before. I think I could have addressed your concerns and helped you understand what is going on long before it got out of hand. But it's never too late. However, some consistency is needed from you. And so you know I harbor no ill will towards you, I was one of the first to nominate your picture taking efforts for a fuji shaft. All the stuff that happened after that went so fast, it blew right by me. I stayed out of it because it's a lot of work to go back and figure it all out. Plus, I trust there are other marshalls equally adept as myself in brokering agreements.
Anyways. Don't you think all this drama over golf postings and marshall behaviour is blown way out of proportion. I invite you to take a few steps back to when in your mind GolfWRX was a great place; when you really enjoyed being here. It's still that place. You just have to embrace the positive and rise above the very few things you do not like. It's never going to be perfect, believe me I know. But it can still be great. Just let go a little. You have a lot of passion, but maybe sometimes turning the volume down a little is best. Not off, not a dramatic departure, just a little down sometimes.
Good luck and hopefully this can be all squared away.
Allow me to set the record straight on the "edited post" so that all is transparent.
Also, we need to keep today's events in proper context. Lastly, I am speaking for myself, not for all marshalls nor ownership.
If members could see our deleted thread list, they would see several posts within minutes, under your Springbok name and your other accounts which you created which is in violation of GolfWRX rules. Regardless of what occurred before today, the fact is you premeditated and executed and attack on this site. Your original post was deleted and you still posted it again and again in an attempt to get your word out as well as frustrate marshalls who have better things to do than chase your threads around.
There was much chaos among the marshalls online not knowing how to head off the damage and what the official response would be until Ryan stepped in and restored order.
While that was going on, it was I who edited one of the many deleted threads and had some fun at your expense. It was not official policy or an attempt to ruin you. It's just humor/parody to highlight just how out of hand this situation has become over a very simple misunderstanding. However, I meant to move it into another "offline" forum before and accidentally placed it in the general forum. I realized my mistake quickly (within less than 5 minutes) and deleted it. I don't think any other marshall had a chance to see it. Yes, some members who just live on GolfWRX seemingly 24/7 and love to find away to stir up more trouble saw it. No big deal.
The thread was never meant for public consumption so we can all quit wasting time with the conspiracy theories. No one else knew I was doing it. If you know me, you know no harm is intended and if there is a misunderstanding, then I apologize to all.
On to more important matters. It's too bad the two of us had not exchanged much threads or PMs before. I think I could have addressed your concerns and helped you understand what is going on long before it got out of hand. But it's never too late. However, some consistency is needed from you. And so you know I harbor no ill will towards you, I was one of the first to nominate your picture taking efforts for a fuji shaft. All the stuff that happened after that went so fast, it blew right by me. I stayed out of it because it's a lot of work to go back and figure it all out. Plus, I trust there are other marshalls equally adept as myself in brokering agreements.
Anyways. Don't you think all this drama over golf postings and marshall behaviour is blown way out of proportion. I invite you to take a few steps back to when in your mind GolfWRX was a great place; when you really enjoyed being here. It's still that place. You just have to embrace the positive and rise above the very few things you do not like. It's never going to be perfect, believe me I know. But it can still be great. Just let go a little. You have a lot of passion, but maybe sometimes turning the volume down a little is best. Not off, not a dramatic departure, just a little down sometimes.
Good luck and hopefully this can be all squared away.
Anyone notice that gas is almost $3.50 a gallon for premium grade and that the 5-year swap rate index has increased by over 25 basis points in the last 2 weeks? I know those things aren't as important as a he said / she said discussion on a golf forum, but I just thought I point out some of the things that concern me.
Thanks for listening to my rant!
I know I'm not supposed to post in this thread for awhile, but THAT was funny.
Anyone notice that gas is almost $3.50 a gallon for premium grade and that the 5-year swap rate index has increased by over 25 basis points in the last 2 weeks? I know those things aren't as important as a he said / she said discussion on a golf forum, but I just thought I point out some of the things that concern me.
Thanks for listening to my rant!
Gas prices much higher in Calif. and the US dollar = Canadian in a year??? Where will I go for vacations??????
Whoa Schelbrock! Personal attacks are not cool. I have no problem with you disagreeing with Jer, but you should explain why you disagree instead of implying that his arguments are wrong just because he is young (assuming he is).
Whoa Chewy... there was no personal attack... read it again...
anyways funny you should complain.. since you always push the limits of tastefulness and have been banned from other forums.
Another personal attack. Nice. Don't bother with the merits of my post, go right to insulting my character.
Why don't you go ahead and post a link to anything I have ever posted that was distasteful? Let the readers decide.
And by the way, I was banned from the other forum for questioning the moderators' habit of bashing a member, editing threads to make themselves look good, and refusing to allow any criticism at all. Something that the WRX mods ARE allowing in this very thread.
No -- that is not why you were banned -- but that is for another thread.
Anyone notice that gas is almost $3.50 a gallon for premium grade and that the 5-year swap rate index has increased by over 25 basis points in the last 2 weeks? I know those things aren't as important as a he said / she said discussion on a golf forum, but I just thought I point out some of the things that concern me.
Thanks for listening to my rant!
Gas prices much higher in Calif. and the US dollar = Canadian in a year??? Where will I go for vacations??????
I would gladly pay $3.50 for gas. $3.90 is criminal.
Ok, I am off to play some poker, so go ahead and bash me all you want for the next few hours.
But go easy, I am probably going to get whacked on the golf course tomorrow morning.
Cheers to all.
Oh, and check out the pic of Kasco Pro and his snake in the other thread. LOL
Anyone notice that gas is almost $3.50 a gallon for premium grade and that the 5-year swap rate index has increased by over 25 basis points in the last 2 weeks? I know those things aren't as important as a he said / she said discussion on a golf forum, but I just thought I point out some of the things that concern me.
Thanks for listening to my rant!
we are still pricing some loans at 200 bps over 5.05 from April...
getting rid of the inverted yield curve is good...it screws everything up
Dude gas is flipping $3.00 for regular here in VA. I saw it down in the $1.90's for regular last year...that was the lowest I had seen in forever. Now it's over $3.00 again.
^^^Maybe that's why minimum wage just rose again to like $7.00!
Anyone notice that gas is almost $3.50 a gallon for premium grade and that the 5-year swap rate index has increased by over 25 basis points in the last 2 weeks? I know those things aren't as important as a he said / she said discussion on a golf forum, but I just thought I point out some of the things that concern me.
Thanks for listening to my rant!
we are still pricing some loans at 200 bps over 5.05 from April...
getting rid of the inverted yield curve is good...it screws everything up
Ahh, someone from my industry. Problem is that we don't provide a standard rate lock, there's a fee for it. I'm a commercial R/E lender, so it can be difficult explaining to a customer that his rate on a $1 million or greater loan increased 25 bps or more over the last couple of weeks while we waited for the appraisal to come in.
But that's small time compared to other stuff...
What is it Vince Vaughn said to Owen Wilson in Wedding Crashers..."I'm going upstairs to ice my ba**s and spit up blood. Why don't you try getting je*$%ed off under the table and have some real problems, Team Player!"
Mods, sorry if a couple of those words are unacceptable. I tried to disguise them a bit.
Threads like this are why I mainly just lurk these days. The drama is getting old and cuts away at the quality. This happened at BSG and then happened at Tourspec...as you get bigger you go through the growing pains. I still enjoy the board but some of you are sticking your nose in where it does not belong...ie this thread but in your defense (the ones sticking their nose in) Spring did openly post this so he left himself open to any criticism just like anyone that posts. My final thought on this is that this board is under the control of the owners of golfwrx and they do have the right to do with it what they choose...if you post here then it is under their rules and if you cannot abide by them then find somewhere you can fit in.
In accordance with guys like Charlie who want to hear what happened, here's my half of Deon's incredible story so you all can judge for yourself whether or not I have been overzealous with my moderation power.
I locked this thread (about six months ago) and sent Deon what I believed to be a rather polite PM explaining why. These are the PM back and forths:
Taylormadefan said:
Springbok said:
Taylormadefan said:
Springbok said:
Sheez TMF, live a little. At least let the thread do down hill before locking it. You were simply assuming it was going to go downhill, without it even happening.
Honestly, what good is going to come out of that thread?
We've had identical threads in the past and they always end up the same way. So why is this one going to be any different?
Now, if you want to post a not so flattering picture of yourself and allow members to take pot-shots at you, I'd be more than happy to "let the thread go down hill."
TMF
To each his own TMF. To each his own. Personally, I think humor should always be welcome on this board. I do not see anything wrong with that post, and also see no reason for it to be removed. There is a good old South African saying: "Nothing worse that a monkey with a badge".
A monkey with a badge Deon? That's very nice.
Humor's great, I love it. However, there are ways to find humor in things without poking fun at someone's obesity. In the future you might want to research ways to go about doing so.
Have a nice day,
TMF
After that apprently Deon had a chip on his shoulder and felt he was being "targeted" by the mod crew. I guess this is the culmination of all his "frustration."
I have done exactly TWO things to moderate Deon's topics on his ENTIRE time here at GolfWRX, lock the above post and combine two separate BST threads in accordance with our rules. Apparently I'm too heavy handed.
Well there is the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I talked to Deon tonight. He called me and I was away from my computer and had no idea he posted this. I met Deon at the PGA Merchandise show where we shared a few short discussions about our common passion "Golf". He seems like a great guy. Deon is a great contributor to golf forums. He loves the game and the gear. Takes great Pictures of tournaments and golf related topics. We love members like Deon for the most parts. However it looks like Deon's time has pasted as a member here. I called him after his last dramatic farewell post a couple of weeks ago in a last effort to mend the fence, and he came back a few weeks later. All looked good. Then 2 of Deon's classifieds ads got combined into one (a common thing for general members) and Deon lost it. Felt that he was being singled out again and threw out a lengthy and very abusive message to one of our moderators. After reading it I was shocked and sent Deon a message asking him to never talk to a member or Moderator here like that again. Now we get this post. More drama.
I have to say I am disappointed in Deon but not surprised. Seems that some of the best contributors over the years go south. Not sure if the entitlement they feel they deserve leniency over the general membership or what. How many times did we close controversial threads because they were to difficult to keep clean? A lot. That is how we keep this place what it is today. We consider this forum and message board a country club of the Internet. Not some corner bar where you can throw up a picture of a chubby LPGA player and make fun of her. That isn't us. Deon, you don't understand that or chose to believe you have been singled out.
GolfWRX.com is here not for a "special member" that wants to do as they choose. GolfWRX.com if here for the general member. We are here for them. Not for Ryan and I, not for the mods, not for the pocket book. We are here for the membership. Ryan and I have built this place up to be the best. We have separate careers and WRX is here because WE (yes WE) deserve a place that will be protected by bias. A special place that will never be tainted by the almighty dollar. Golf content that is pure without bias is what we are all about.
Ryan, myself, the Mods, as well as many of the members have dedicated tons of hours and some of us $ to make this place what it is today. I can only tell you the hours, days, and weeks I have spent on this computer instead of my family to build what we have done so in a short time. The work driving around this country covering events and trying to do what we know will make us the BEST golf site online. Only to read that Deon think we are "screwing other companies" and our forums are bad and issuing "warnings" to our membership about the evils. Bla, bla, bla.
We do what we this the GENERAL MEMBERSHIP want us to do. Period. Deon has lost his way. Out of balance I guess. Unfortunately but true. The above exchanges clearly show that has happened. We honestly have nothing to hide. I shake my head to try to understand how these things get to where they are. We work so hard to make and build a place for us with the best of intentions. Then the resentment and anger comes out. We tried the mend the fences and tried to make do the right thing.
We are not evil, we are good people guys. We are golfers just doing what we believe in. There will always be people that will talk behind your back and say things that aren't true. We can only turn our head and continue to do what we believe in. Moderating the largest golf forum in the world is not a walk in the park. There is never a perfect road to take. We would rather close a thread that leave it open that could offend membership and drive them away. I hope that anyone that reads this understands that we are here for all of us. We hope that you are proud of your membership here. I know I am.
OT, does anyone want to buy some BDSO 07 iron byron data?
usually its too valuble to sell, but with the price of gas these days , im taking the highest bidder
OT, does anyone want to buy some BDSO 07 iron byron data?
usually its too valuble to sell, but with the price of gas these days , im taking the highest bidder
OT, does anyone want to buy some BDSO 07 iron byron data?
usually its too valuble to sell, but with the price of gas these days , im taking the highest bidder
Jay, is the paper and ink tour issue, or retail? I'm only interested in tour issue paper and ink, so let me know. Thanks!
Dude gas is flipping $3.00 for regular here in VA. I saw it down in the $1.90's for regular last year...that was the lowest I had seen in forever. Now it's over $3.00 again.
^^^Maybe that's why minimum wage just rose again to like $7.00!
i remember paying $.95/galloon at the gas station across the street from my high school in virgina beach back in 95. those were the good days.
Dude gas is flipping $3.00 for regular here in VA. I saw it down in the $1.90's for regular last year...that was the lowest I had seen in forever. Now it's over $3.00 again.
^^^Maybe that's why minimum wage just rose again to like $7.00!
i remember paying $.95/galloon at the gas station across the street from my high school in virgina beach back in 95. those were the good days.
for what its worth, $2.89 in euless, texas today.
yes and it was very hot today... maybe rain on fri or sat....
Dude gas is flipping $3.00 for regular here in VA. I saw it down in the $1.90's for regular last year...that was the lowest I had seen in forever. Now it's over $3.00 again.
^^^Maybe that's why minimum wage just rose again to like $7.00!
i remember paying $.95/galloon at the gas station across the street from my high school in virgina beach back in 95. those were the good days.
for what its worth, $2.89 in euless, texas today.
Dude, I think I may have mentioned this once before (but I can't remember for sure), but I grew up in Euless. Small world. It was out in the middle of nowhere then. Crazy how big the metroplex has gotten. I used to think Frisco was halfway to Oklahoma, and now its the hot Dallas suburb.
If Deon wants to respond, he can send a message to Richard(easyyy) as I doubt he'll reply to me. For now, I'll close this thread and it will most likely disappear soon afterwards.
In accordance with guys like Charlie who want to hear what happened, here's my half of Deon's incredible story so you all can judge for yourself whether or not I have been overzealous with my moderation power.
I locked this thread (about six months ago) and sent Deon what I believed to be a rather polite PM explaining why. These are the PM back and forths:
Taylormadefan said:
Springbok said:
Taylormadefan said:
Springbok said:
Sheez TMF, live a little. At least let the thread do down hill before locking it. You were simply assuming it was going to go downhill, without it even happening.
Honestly, what good is going to come out of that thread?
We've had identical threads in the past and they always end up the same way. So why is this one going to be any different?
Now, if you want to post a not so flattering picture of yourself and allow members to take pot-shots at you, I'd be more than happy to "let the thread go down hill."
TMF
To each his own TMF. To each his own. Personally, I think humor should always be welcome on this board. I do not see anything wrong with that post, and also see no reason for it to be removed. There is a good old South African saying: "Nothing worse that a monkey with a badge".
A monkey with a badge Deon? That's very nice.
Humor's great, I love it. However, there are ways to find humor in things without poking fun at someone's obesity. In the future you might want to research ways to go about doing so.
Have a nice day,
TMF
After that apprently Deon had a chip on his shoulder and felt he was being "targeted" by the mod crew. I guess this is the culmination of all his "frustration."
I have done exactly TWO things to moderate Deon's topics on his ENTIRE time here at GolfWRX, lock the above post and combine two separate BST threads in accordance with our rules. Apparently I'm too heavy handed.
Well there is the whole truth and nothing but the truth. I talked to Deon tonight. He called me and I was away from my computer and had no idea he posted this. I met Deon at the PGA Merchandise show where we shared a few short discussions about our common passion "Golf". He seems like a great guy. Deon is a great contributor to golf forums. He loves the game and the gear. Takes great Pictures of tournaments and golf related topics. We love members like Deon for the most parts. However it looks like Deon's time has pasted as a member here. I called him after his last dramatic farewell post a couple of weeks ago in a last effort to mend the fence, and he came back a few weeks later. All looked good. Then 2 of Deon's classifieds ads got combined into one (a common thing for general members) and Deon lost it. Felt that he was being singled out again and threw out a lengthy and very abusive message to one of our moderators. After reading it I was shocked and sent Deon a message asking him to never talk to a member or Moderator here like that again. Now we get this post. More drama.
I have to say I am disappointed in Deon but not surprised. Seems that some of the best contributors over the years go south. Not sure if the entitlement they feel they deserve leniency over the general membership or what. How many times did we close controversial threads because they were to difficult to keep clean? A lot. That is how we keep this place what it is today. We consider this forum and message board a country club of the Internet. Not some corner bar where you can throw up a picture of a chubby LPGA player and make fun of her. That isn't us. Deon, you don't understand that or chose to believe you have been singled out.
GolfWRX.com is here not for a "special member" that wants to do as they choose. GolfWRX.com if here for the general member. We are here for them. Not for Ryan and I, not for the mods, not for the pocket book. We are here for the membership. Ryan and I have built this place up to be the best. We have separate careers and WRX is here because WE (yes WE) deserve a place that will be protected by bias. A special place that will never be tainted by the almighty dollar. Golf content that is pure without bias is what we are all about.
Ryan, myself, the Mods, as well as many of the members have dedicated tons of hours and some of us $ to make this place what it is today. I can only tell you the hours, days, and weeks I have spent on this computer instead of my family to build what we have done so in a short time. The work driving around this country covering events and trying to do what we know will make us the BEST golf site online. Only to read that Deon think we are "screwing other companies" and our forums are bad and issuing "warnings" to our membership about the evils. Bla, bla, bla.
We do what we this the GENERAL MEMBERSHIP want us to do. Period. Deon has lost his way. Out of balance I guess. Unfortunately but true. The above exchanges clearly show that has happened. We honestly have nothing to hide. I shake my head to try to understand how these things get to where they are. We work so hard to make and build a place for us with the best of intentions. Then the resentment and anger comes out. We tried the mend the fences and tried to make do the right thing.
We are not evil, we are good people guys. We are golfers just doing what we believe in. There will always be people that will talk behind your back and say things that aren't true. We can only turn our head and continue to do what we believe in. Moderating the largest golf forum in the world is not a walk in the park. There is never a perfect road to take. We would rather close a thread that leave it open that could offend membership and drive them away. I hope that anyone that reads this understands that we are here for all of us. We hope that you are proud of your membership here. I know I am.
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Charlie_Foxtrot, on Jun 6 2007, 10:45 PM, said:
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