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Posted 13 December 2013 - 10:42 AM

I was able to hit the Jetspeed and SLDR drivers and FWs on an indoor Foresight and here are some notes I compiled. Disclaimer - used some well worn balls on an indoor Foresight with no baseline, so just consider the Jetspeed and SLDR numbers relative to each other for what they are worth. Obviously, since there are demo clubs they are of different flex, SWs and lengths. I just need to do this sort of thing to help me through the cold weather.

Fairways - compared a Jetspeed 15* 3W with stock stiff shaft vs a SLDR TS (13 *?) with stock Speeder 77 stiff (I also hit one with the TS 8.3 in X flex):

Visuals - the Jetspeed is really shallow faced, shallower than both generations of RBZ, from what I could tell. It also has a longer footprint from front to back than the RBZ and SLDR. The SLDR is much more compact, with a deeper face as we've already seen. To my eye, the Jetspeed seems pretty symmetrical at address, which is what I like, but the SLDR alignment aid looked closer to the heel slightly. It also looked like the Jetspeed sat more square/open than the SLDR did. The SLDR was in the square position, but it might just be the face progression and head shape throwing me off.

Feel - biggest thing that jumped out at me was how good the Jetspeed felt. Yes, the Jetspeed. They are both pretty muted, but the Jetspeed somehow felt solid but still "light" as the ball came off the face. The SLDR had a more solid, duller thump through the ball. The SLDR I think felt like a slightly more muted G25 or RBZ Stage 2, and the Jetspeed was like a Diablo Edge Tour, that's the best comparison I can make. Both felt worlds different, and better, than the louder, more hollow X-Hot Pro and dead feeling OG RBZ.  

Ballspeed and dispersion - Pretty close in terms of ballspeeds, even with the longer lighter shaft of the Jetspeed. However, I felt like I didn't have much control with the Jetspeed. I hit the SLDR with the TS 8.3 in X flex after these, and saw much tighter dispersion but also slightly lower flight, spin, and carry. Hit mostly draws with these, but cuts with the drivers.

First four shots are the Jetspeed and next four are the SLDR (but with the 77 not with the 8.3). I honestly don't think the spin numbers make much sense, I was really just comparing ballspeed and feel. I hit more than 8 balls, but cleared the screen for this sample to try to give a clean comparison side by side.

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Drivers - Jetspeed 9.5* with stock stiff vs SLDR 9.5* TP with TS 6.3 stiff

Visuals - as with the FWs, the Jetspeed is larger and flatter, but still pretty square. The SLDR is actually not as compact as I thought it would be after seeing the FW, but still a nice footprint. The driver did have the same "heel biased" look as the FW. For some reason the SLDR made me want to move my hands forward more to square it up.

Feel - slightly closer in feel to each other than the FWs were, but still each had their unique feel. Again, both very solid and muted, not obnoxious at all. Both reminded me of older TM offerings - the SLDR reminded me a lot of the 420cc R9, and the Jetspeed like the Superfast TP 1.0, but actually a little softer. That's the best way I can put it.

Ball speed and dispersion - Dispersion was pretty good for both clubs. All cuts, vs draws for the FWs, must be my swing. Can't figure that one out at all. Ball speed (and swing speed) estimates off the drivers weren't much higher than the FWs. As with many indoor demos, could be many factors - the balls, my getting tired, or that I really just swing the driver slow. Not much to draw from the BS data except both drivers were close in BS for me.

First seven shots were with the Jetspeed, next six with the SLDR.


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Overall, I really liked the Jetspeed FW, and could see myself trying one with a shorter shaft, but was slightly underwhelmed with both drivers. I was pretty excited for the SLDR driver, so I'm a little disappointed in not liking how it looked at address. I'll try to find a place to hit them outside in the spring though.

Again, take this for what it is worth, a crude side by side comparison. I also hadn't swung a club since early November, so that adds more variance to it.

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 10:49 AM

Oh yeah, I also hit the SLDR 3 hybrid with the 9.3 shaft and that was really nice. Pretty tight dispersion, similar look and feel to the 2009 Rescue TP. I liked the feel of the 9.3 in the hybrid a lot more than the 8.3 in the FW for some reason. Didn't get a screen shot because I didn't compare it with anything. Maybe I'll compare it with the RBZ Stage 2 next chance I get.
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Posted 13 December 2013 - 11:21 AM

" The driver (SLDR) did have the same "heel biased" look as the FW. For some reason the SLDR made me want to move my hands forward more to square it up. "

I have been saying this since day one......I feel that they are more closed then past TM offerings and for sure sit at address this way. My on course play confirms this.

I am testing an 8 degree right hoping that it sits more square at address and in my hands and so far, much better with about the same trajectory as my 9.5.

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 11:35 AM

Yeah, I don't remember any of the R9 drivers looking like that - the 420cc, SuperTri, SuperDeep. Definitely not the Superfast TP 1.0. I skipped all of the white ones though. :)
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Posted 13 December 2013 - 02:03 PM

With the adjustability why not just open the face on the driver??

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Posted 13 December 2013 - 04:18 PM

I wanted to try them all square for square for a start. Didn't want to start fiddling around with different settings because I could be there all night if so. If I do get myself a SLDR to try, I'll likely get a 10.5 head and open it a deg.
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Posted 13 December 2013 - 05:11 PM

Good stuff.

I too really liked the SLDR TP Hybrid.  I may just have to try the X2-Hot Pro and i25 first, but it is the leader in the clubhouse.
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Posted 14 December 2013 - 05:05 AM

Was it set to the stated loft? Every SLDR I have seen comes pre set to higher which closes the face a touch?

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Posted 14 December 2013 - 09:00 AM

SS wise we have very close numbers, but my AoA creates more spin than you
Out of curiosity do you play stiff or X shafts?

I freaking love the look of the SLDR both in driver and fwy
But it seems they are very finiky w shafts and i really dont wanna mess around w 300 shafts to find that "perfect" combo

Good review tho and i hear ya on winter boredom, its killing me! Lol!
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Posted 16 December 2013 - 08:32 AM

View Postenis750, on 14 December 2013 - 09:00 AM, said:

SS wise we have very close numbers, but my AoA creates more spin than you
Out of curiosity do you play stiff or X shafts?

I freaking love the look of the SLDR both in driver and fwy
But it seems they are very finiky w shafts and i really dont wanna mess around w 300 shafts to find that "perfect" combo

Good review tho and i hear ya on winter boredom, its killing me! Lol!

The prior 2 years, at two different fittings, I was fit into a DI-7X for the driver and X100 for my irons (and KBS Tour S hardstepped once). One fitting was outdoors on a Trackman, the other was indoors at a Callaway Performance Center (not sure what LM they use, except it is camera based). However, my ballspeeds were in the 158-164 range then, with spin in the 2500-2800 range, so it's probably not that comparable now (or I need to get myself back in shape, haha). My AoA used to be in the +3 to +5 range, but I think it's more level now.

Based on the numbers posted in the screen shots in this thread, I'd be fine using both the stock stiff or 6.3 stiff, both of which felt pretty good. But then again, the balls were pretty worn, so maybe spin should be higher in real life. Those launch angles were pretty good though, maybe on the higher side, but also because those were all cuts. However, I haven't seen ball flight outdoors, so I'll reserve judgement on things for now.

But if I had to pick on based on this brief demo, I'd go with the Jetspeed driver and FW, and SLDR hybrid. Maybe a slightly heavier shaft in the driver and FW, and both half an inch shorter. The SLDR hybrid with the 9.3 I'd gladly play as is, that thing was nice.

Edited by Puppetmaster, 16 December 2013 - 10:12 AM.

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Posted 02 January 2014 - 05:29 PM

i hit the jetspeed lastnight, I liked the way it looked but thought it felt like smacking a golf ball with a 2x4

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Posted 02 January 2014 - 07:57 PM

PM......go back and compare the 430 sldr address position. ...seemed far more open than 460 head

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Posted 02 January 2014 - 09:38 PM

View PostSwooshLT, on 02 January 2014 - 07:57 PM, said:

PM......go back and compare the 430 sldr address position. ...seemed far more open than 460 head

I've actually seen the 430 in-hand but haven't hit it yet. Put the 430 and 460 down together on a hard smooth surface and the 430 sits so much better than the 460. I don't even really need it open, the 430 just sits "right". Not sure if its the face angle or the face progression, whatever it is, it's good.
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Posted 02 January 2014 - 10:56 PM

I am currently gaming a SLDR family of woods. TP Driver, 12 degree with Black Tie. TP 3HL(17 degrees) with stock Motore, and TP 4Hybrid with Stock Motore. Simply killing all three with no desire to switch.  It took quite awhile to dial in the SLDR driver and at first I was underwhelmed but after some experimenting it is firmly in the bag. I did hit Jestspeeds indoors and did not like them as much as the SLDR. To each his/her own.

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 11:30 AM

View PostSwooshLT, on 02 January 2014 - 07:57 PM, said:

PM......go back and compare the 430 sldr address position. ...seemed far more open than 460 head

I like the sound of this! Prepping by hitting my R7 SQ Tour head that has been bent open


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Posted 04 January 2014 - 07:56 PM

So i tried the Jetspeed and the 460 SLDR w the TP speeder 6.3 (we finally got a demo one in)
First off the TP speeder is awesome, very smooth, low spin/launch
I didnt spin anything above 2900, and for me thats good

I hated the stock 57 speeder in the 460, the TP shaft changed this club for me
I was swinging well today and on average was 2600-2900 spin and 10-11 launch
10.5 head, neutral upright settings and one click on open
I liked the SLDR now

For fun i tossed that shaft in the Jetspeed head
First swing .... 294yds, 2400 spin and 12 LA
Also set at 10.5, neutral upright - again same shaft as the SLDR
Feel was much better than the SLDR imo- the SLDR wasnt bad, this just felt much more solid
On average the Jetspeed was 8-10yds longer than the SLDR, same settings
But i was getting about 2* higher LA, which resulted in more carry and more distance

I was NOT expecting to like this driver at all
Its good .... SLEEPER GOOD

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Posted 04 January 2014 - 07:57 PM

I wanna try the 430 against these two now
So far, Jetspeed is #winning ;)
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Posted 04 January 2014 - 11:40 PM

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I really need to go back and to try the 430, and maybe even the Jetspeed again.
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Posted 05 January 2014 - 12:21 AM

I'm going with Jetspeed for all woods.  They are more forgiving overall.  I have a 10.5 sldr but I have a tendency to snap hook it.  With a tour AD BB it's a bomber but for some reason it snaps.  I mostly hit 10 yard cut shots with yhe jetspeed.  I'm excited to try the BB in the jetspeed

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Posted 05 January 2014 - 09:18 AM

View PostPuppetmaster, on 04 January 2014 - 11:40 PM, said:

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I really need to go back and to try the 430, and maybe even the Jetspeed again.

go back and hit the Jetspeed w the TP shaft from the SLDR dude
I did it on a whim, now my head is spinning
We wont have the 430 in for a few weeks at my local store, so I cant try it out for a while
I think I would need the shaft tipped about 1/2" tho if i went Jetspeed

I found w the lighter head, I was about 2mph faster w it, and I lost a few left w it
and ur right, it sets up beautifully and the sound / feel is incredible

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