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2014-2015 Decisions on the Rules of Golf - announcement tomorrow


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Posted 18 November 2013 - 01:15 PM

Thought I'd add yet another thread on a real Rules topic!

USGA, R&A to make rules announcement Tuesday

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The USGA and R&A will issue a joint announcement Tuesday as part of their biennial review of the Decisions on the Rules of Golf.

Though any potential rules change has not yet been made public, Golf Digest reported on its website Monday that the announcement is expected to concern viewer call-ins during tournaments. It is not immediately clear what decision has been reached, but any potential rule would take effect Jan. 1, 2014.
The topic of viewer call-ins seemed to reach a breaking point at this year’s Masters, when Tiger Woods made an improper drop in the second round. He also was in the midst of another rules imbroglio at the BMW Championship, when he was slapped with a two-shot penalty after slow-motion HD cameras showed his ball move, a review that was prompted by a videographer covering the event.



Edited by rogolf, 18 November 2013 - 01:19 PM.


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Posted 18 November 2013 - 01:42 PM

Check out Dec 25-2/0.5

Edited by Newby, 18 November 2013 - 01:46 PM.


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Posted 18 November 2013 - 01:48 PM

View PostNewby, on 18 November 2013 - 01:42 PM, said:

Check out Dec 25-2/0.5

Thanks for the edit...

Is that one changing?

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Posted 18 November 2013 - 03:21 PM

View PostNewby, on 18 November 2013 - 01:42 PM, said:

Check out Dec 25-2/0.5

Why? Is there a reason for a change?

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Posted 18 November 2013 - 04:33 PM

View PostMr. Bean, on 18 November 2013 - 03:21 PM, said:

View PostNewby, on 18 November 2013 - 01:42 PM, said:

Check out Dec 25-2/0.5

Why? Is there a reason for a change?

I read somewhere that there were some illustrations added to this Decision.


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Posted 18 November 2013 - 05:39 PM

http://www.geoffshackelford.com/

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Posted 18 November 2013 - 05:43 PM

Interesting.

Now if they'll just do something about Stoke & Distance on OB......
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Posted 18 November 2013 - 05:44 PM

...and we're off...

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Posted 18 November 2013 - 09:36 PM

View Postlumberman2462, on 18 November 2013 - 05:43 PM, said:

Interesting.

Now if they'll just do something about Stoke & Distance on OB......

Been there, done that. Read Tufts.
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Posted 18 November 2013 - 10:34 PM

View PostNewby, on 18 November 2013 - 05:39 PM, said:


You obviously can get to his site, so can you shed any light? Does one have to somehow pay to get on his site or?  I keep getting a "no access" message- and that's it- whether I've gone from  a link to his column on Golf Digest or putting the full web address in my browser. This is for months, so I stopped trying. I'm using a Mac now, but I'm sure I had he same issue when I was running a Windows computer.

I tried it tonight on three different browsers, made sure I was set to accept cookies from the site, same "no access" message and that's it.

Edited by myspinonit, 18 November 2013 - 10:35 PM.

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Posted 18 November 2013 - 11:43 PM

View Postmyspinonit, on 18 November 2013 - 10:34 PM, said:

View PostNewby, on 18 November 2013 - 05:39 PM, said:


You obviously can get to his site, so can you shed any light? Does one have to somehow pay to get on his site or?  I keep getting a "no access" message- and that's it- whether I've gone from  a link to his column on Golf Digest or putting the full web address in my browser. This is for months, so I stopped trying. I'm using a Mac now, but I'm sure I had he same issue when I was running a Windows computer.

I tried it tonight on three different browsers, made sure I was set to accept cookies from the site, same "no access" message and that's it.

US access only?

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 01:02 AM

View Postrogolf, on 18 November 2013 - 11:43 PM, said:

View Postmyspinonit, on 18 November 2013 - 10:34 PM, said:

View PostNewby, on 18 November 2013 - 05:39 PM, said:


You obviously can get to his site, so can you shed any light? Does one have to somehow pay to get on his site or?  I keep getting a "no access" message- and that's it- whether I've gone from  a link to his column on Golf Digest or putting the full web address in my browser. This is for months, so I stopped trying. I'm using a Mac now, but I'm sure I had he same issue when I was running a Windows computer.

I tried it tonight on three different browsers, made sure I was set to accept cookies from the site, same "no access" message and that's it.

US access only?
Don't think that is the issue as Newby flagged it and is in England.

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 02:43 AM

View Postmyspinonit, on 18 November 2013 - 10:34 PM, said:

View PostNewby, on 18 November 2013 - 05:39 PM, said:


You obviously can get to his site, so can you shed any light? Does one have to somehow pay to get on his site or?  I keep getting a "no access" message- and that's it- whether I've gone from  a link to his column on Golf Digest or putting the full web address in my browser. This is for months, so I stopped trying. I'm using a Mac now, but I'm sure I had he same issue when I was running a Windows computer.

I tried it tonight on three different browsers, made sure I was set to accept cookies from the site, same "no access" message and that's it.

Just clicked the link directly in your reply (and all the posts above). No problem.

But this is better

http://golfweek.com/...mera-ball-move/

Edited by Newby, 19 November 2013 - 03:22 AM.


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Posted 19 November 2013 - 06:58 AM

Decision 18-5: Common sense. If whatever happened did not improve anything then nothing happened.
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Posted 19 November 2013 - 07:28 AM

View Postesketores, on 19 November 2013 - 06:58 AM, said:

Decision 18-5: Common sense. If whatever happened did not improve anything then nothing happened.

That's not what the decision says.

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 07:39 AM

'Players will not be penalized under the Rules of Golf if their ball moves and it wasn’t obvious to the naked eye, the USGA and R&A have decided'.
Nonsense!  Cheat's charter.

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 07:41 AM

View PostNewby, on 19 November 2013 - 02:43 AM, said:

View Postmyspinonit, on 18 November 2013 - 10:34 PM, said:

View PostNewby, on 18 November 2013 - 05:39 PM, said:


You obviously can get to his site, so can you shed any light? Does one have to somehow pay to get on his site or?  I keep getting a "no access" message- and that's it- whether I've gone from  a link to his column on Golf Digest or putting the full web address in my browser. This is for months, so I stopped trying. I'm using a Mac now, but I'm sure I had he same issue when I was running a Windows computer.

I tried it tonight on three different browsers, made sure I was set to accept cookies from the site, same "no access" message and that's it.

Just clicked the link directly in your reply (and all the posts above). No problem.

But this is better

http://golfweek.com/...mera-ball-move/

Thanks Newby. Still can't get to the Shackleford site, but the Golfweek one was fine. I pointed my mouse, moved a twig and there it was. :taunt: Thank you.
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Posted 19 November 2013 - 07:48 AM

Very interesting!

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Decision 27-2a/1.5 has been changed to allow players to go forward approximately 50 yards without forfeiting the right to go back and play a provisional ball. Currently that is disallowed.


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Posted 19 November 2013 - 08:23 AM

View PostHitEmTrue, on 19 November 2013 - 07:48 AM, said:

Very interesting!

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Decision 27-2a/1.5 has been changed to allow players to go forward approximately 50 yards without forfeiting the right to go back and play a provisional ball. Currently that is disallowed.

I think (for me at least) "curious" comes to mind more than "interesting" -  just not sure what 50 yards will accomplish - or more specifically why 50 yards was selected?   Sure I can see an advantage in letting the person go back to the tee in the case of a blind tee shot, but all blind shots I've ever played needed way more than 50 yards to realize they should have hit a provisional.

The only think I can think of is that it allows a small buffer for someone to change their mind and prevent even a few steps "going forward" from removing the option to hit a provisional.  But I would have thought something that basic would not need a 50 yard 'boundary'.

Edited by Stuart G., 19 November 2013 - 08:46 AM.


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Posted 19 November 2013 - 08:40 AM

View PostStuart G., on 19 November 2013 - 08:23 AM, said:

View PostHitEmTrue, on 19 November 2013 - 07:48 AM, said:

Very interesting!

Quote

Decision 27-2a/1.5 has been changed to allow players to go forward approximately 50 yards without forfeiting the right to go back and play a provisional ball. Currently that is disallowed.

I think (for me at least) "curious" comes to mind more than "interesting" -  just not sure what 50 yards will accomplish - or more specifically why 50 yards was selected?   Sure I can see an advantage in letting the person go back to the tee in the case of a blind tee shot, but all blind shots I've ever played needed way more than 50 yards to realize they should have hit a provisional.

The only think I can think of is that it allows a small buffer for someone to change there mind and prevent even a few steps "going forward" from removing the option to hit a provisional.  But I would have thought something that basic would not need a 50 yard 'boundary'.
You might be right... the "cooler heads prevail" provision...or the "woulda coulda shoulda".

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 08:45 AM

http://www.usga.org/...ules-Announced/

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 09:00 AM

Here is some of it:

Among the changes for 2014-2015, four decisions are particularly noteworthy:
  • New Decision 14-3/18 confirms that players can access reports on weather conditions on a smartphone during a round without breaching the Rules. Importantly, this new Decision also clarifies that players are permitted to access information on the threat of an impending storm in order to protect their own safety.
  • New Decision 18/4 provides that, where enhanced technological evidence (e.g. HDTV, digital recording or online visual media, etc.) shows that a ball has left its position and come to rest in another location, the ball will not be deemed to have moved if that movement was not reasonably discernible to the naked eye at the time.
  • Revised Decision 25-2/0.5 helps to clarify when a golf ball is considered to be embedded in the ground through the use of illustrations.
  • Revised Decision 27-2a/1.5 allows a player to go forward up to approximately 50 yards without forfeiting his or her right to go back and play a provisional ball.
I am particularily pleased with the first one above as I have posted here about this issue a few times in the past few years. My experience is that you cannot rely on course personnel to sound the alarm in time for incoming bad weather.

Now does this decision open the door for another change? That being the use of cell phone apps which are measuring distance (if your phone has a weather app and/or compass which cannot be removed)?
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Posted 19 November 2013 - 09:03 AM

The illustration clearly shows a smartphone being used to get weather information...including wind speed and direction...

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 09:16 AM

I don't know of a smartphone app which incorporates an anemometer. (I'll bet someone somewhere is working on it though. Probably not for golf but for sailing or skeet or dominoes.)
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Posted 19 November 2013 - 09:28 AM

This looks to be no change:

9. Distance-Measuring Devices


If the Committee wishes to act in accordance with the Note under Rule 14-3, the following wording is recommended:

“(Specify as appropriate, e.g., In this competition, or For all play at this course, etc.), a player may obtain distance information by using a device that measures distance only. If, during a stipulated round, a player uses a distance-measuring device that is designed to gauge or measure other conditions that might affect his play (e.g., gradient, windspeed, temperature, etc.), the player is in breach of Rule 14-3, for which the penalty is disqualification, regardless of whether any such additional function is actually used.”

So you can be trusted to check the weather using your iPhone, but you cannot be trusted to use an app for distance measurement on that same phone?

This looks like a carve out for the manufacturers of distance measuring devices. For the record, I use a laser when allowed.

EDIT: It could be that this rule has changed as well. I see that decision 14-3/18 is not yet included in the online text of the rules. So perhaps it is one of the 87 changes that have been made. Does anyone know where a complete list can be found?

Edited by mark m, 19 November 2013 - 09:37 AM.

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 09:38 AM

View Post4Wedges, on 19 November 2013 - 09:03 AM, said:

The illustration clearly shows a smartphone being used to get weather information...including wind speed and direction...

The weather information app is not measuring or gauging anything. It is the measuring and gauging that is prohibited.
The rule has not changed. The decision simply gives clarification.

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 09:48 AM

View PostNewby, on 19 November 2013 - 09:38 AM, said:

View Post4Wedges, on 19 November 2013 - 09:03 AM, said:

The illustration clearly shows a smartphone being used to get weather information...including wind speed and direction...

The weather information app is not measuring or gauging anything. It is the measuring and gauging that is prohibited.
The rule has not changed. The decision simply gives clarification.

What smart phone and/or app for a smart phone measures or gauges anything?

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Posted 19 November 2013 - 10:06 AM

I found a list at the R & A (www.randa.org):

http://www.randa.org...es-of-Golf.aspx

Click on the "Amendments to the 2012-13 Decisions" (PDF) on the right hand side of the screen under Related Documents

I haven't gone through the whole thing yet - but I did see a change in regards to the compass - now permits use - 14-3/4
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Posted 19 November 2013 - 11:27 AM

View PostStuart G., on 19 November 2013 - 08:23 AM, said:

View PostHitEmTrue, on 19 November 2013 - 07:48 AM, said:

Very interesting!

Quote

Decision 27-2a/1.5 has been changed to allow players to go forward approximately 50 yards without forfeiting the right to go back and play a provisional ball. Currently that is disallowed.

I think (for me at least) "curious" comes to mind more than "interesting" -  just not sure what 50 yards will accomplish - or more specifically why 50 yards was selected?   Sure I can see an advantage in letting the person go back to the tee in the case of a blind tee shot, but all blind shots I've ever played needed way more than 50 yards to realize they should have hit a provisional.

The only think I can think of is that it allows a small buffer for someone to change their mind and prevent even a few steps "going forward" from removing the option to hit a provisional.  But I would have thought something that basic would not need a 50 yard 'boundary'.

I don't know for sure but I would imagine that it was for a situation where the tee is back from the previous green, so a player puts his bag down, then walks back to the tee and plays. He then decides he needs to hit his provisional, but has to go forward to get a fresh ball from his bag. I think as it stood, it would be okay to say I'm going to play a provisional and then go get a ball, but now you can walk to your bag, pick a ball our and return to hit the provisional without declaring it first.
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Posted 19 November 2013 - 11:31 AM

That 50 yards business is a little puzzling.....

Good change on the weather app.

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