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Titlest AP1 714 or TM SpeedBlade?


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#1 stuart374

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Posted 19 October 2013 - 03:43 PM

Has anyone had a chance yet to compare these two? I tried an AP1 6 iron today, and it was great. High, far and mishits went very well. Haven't had a chance yet to try the SpeedBlades. I have been using Ping i20s, but could use irons that are more forgiving, especially since I often don't have much time to practice. On the other hand, I don't want a game improvement club that is too clunky.
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Posted 19 October 2013 - 04:58 PM

I'd say the ap1's would better looking at address. The speedbladez aren't bad, but for the money, aren't worth it.

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Posted 19 October 2013 - 05:18 PM

I hit both recently and could tell a big difference in feel and sound.  The SpeedBlades were harder and louder. Plus, I just hit the Ap1's better
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Posted 19 October 2013 - 05:35 PM

I hit both but preferred the feel of the AP1's.

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Posted 20 October 2013 - 08:04 AM

G25s or Mizuno EZ forged as other options?

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Posted 20 October 2013 - 08:58 AM

I tried the G25 and EZ forged as well. I am a Ping guy with sets of G20, I20's, and Ansers. I really was disappointed in the G25.  I wanted to like them to justify buying them but not only did they feel harsh, I couldn't hit them well.

The EZ felt good but just no wow factor for me to buy.  I hit my Anser's great on good days, poor on bad. I am looking for something that is great on good days, good on bad ones.  Just like all of us on this site, I blame my Anser's. Lol

I checked my ego after hitting the Ap2's and tried the Ap1's. I got the wow factor with the Ap1's.

To be fair, my swing was fast for the most part.  When I settled down to my normal tempo, that is when I started hitting the Ap1's. I could not miss with them.  I did try the others for a hit or two but did not see better results.

I shoot normally 3-6 over on nine holes. When I play eighteen is when things get tricky. I can be 3 over through 9,then shoot 12 over on the back 9. Or vice versa. I had the Ap2's on my radar. I recently was 1 over thru 9 with 2 missed putts within three feet of the hole so I know I have some game. My pride went for the Ap2's. After hitting the Ap1's now, I will be the first in line for them. To heck with ego.
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Posted 20 October 2013 - 10:17 AM

View PostTMelectric, on 20 October 2013 - 08:58 AM, said:

I tried the G25 and EZ forged as well. I am a Ping guy with sets of G20, I20's, and Ansers. I really was disappointed in the G25.  I wanted to like them to justify buying them but not only did they feel harsh, I couldn't hit them well.

The EZ felt good but just no wow factor for me to buy.  I hit my Anser's great on good days, poor on bad. I am looking for something that is great on good days, good on bad ones.  Just like all of us on this site, I blame my Anser's. Lol

I checked my ego after hitting the Ap2's and tried the Ap1's. I got the wow factor with the Ap1's.

To be fair, my swing was fast for the most part.  When I settled down to my normal tempo, that is when I started hitting the Ap1's. I could not miss with them.  I did try the others for a hit or two but did not see better results.



I shoot normally 3-6 over on nine holes. When I play eighteen is when things get tricky. I can be 3 over through 9,then shoot 12 over on the back 9. Or vice versa. I had the Ap2's on my radar. I recently was 1 over thru 9 with 2 missed putts within three feet of the hole so I know I have some game. My pride went for the Ap2's. After hitting the Ap1's now, I will be the first in line for them. To heck with ego.



great report what shaft are you considering

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Posted 20 October 2013 - 10:29 AM

There's a ton of tech in the Speedbladez, even in those stock flighted shafts.  8i up they'll play fairly similar, but the Speedbladez will really shine in those low irons.. they get the ball up much, much better.  TM's should be at least 5 yards longer as well.  And just check my posts, I'm pretty close to a TM hater haha.. but the Speedbladez are getting a lot of positive press for a reason.  Really nice sticks.

What makes the AP1's any different this year?  Titleist really needs to work on their R&D.  Companies like TM and Cleveland, even Callaway, are impressing with their new tech improvements.  Titleist... not so much, same old every iteration.  I mean, I like Titleist and their brand in general but.. as far as GI clubs, they're not even close to being able to compete.

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Posted 20 October 2013 - 10:55 AM

View Postdrew4008, on 20 October 2013 - 10:29 AM, said:

There's a ton of tech in the Speedbladez, even in those stock flighted shafts.  8i up they'll play fairly similar, but the Speedbladez will really shine in those low irons.. they get the ball up much, much better.  TM's should be at least 5 yards longer as well.  And just check my posts, I'm pretty close to a TM hater haha.. but the Speedbladez are getting a lot of positive press for a reason.  Really nice sticks.

What makes the AP1's any different this year?  Titleist really needs to work on their R&D.  Companies like TM and Cleveland, even Callaway, are impressing with their new tech improvements.  Titleist... not so much, same old every iteration.  I mean, I like Titleist and their brand in general but.. as far as GI clubs, they're not even close to being able to compete.

Well, if you like high tech in your irons, then perhaps you're right.

But there is no high tech in blades, and lots of really good players seem to play them.

Personally I think the "tech" in the AP1's is just about right.  After all, they're irons, and you get a bunch of them to hit different distances.  What you really want in an iron is the right amount of offset for your game to be able to hit them straight.  For the best players, very little offset is preferred.  But I prefer the offset in the AP1's, and the ease of getting a good shot out of them.  And I can count on getting approximately the correct distance out of them time after time, given a good swing.

If you want to to think that you can kill your 7-iron for distance to satisfy your ego that you can almost hit it as long as a tour pro, maybe high tech works.  For me, hitting the ball the same distance with an iron time after time is more important.

My take on the AP1's is that you can pick up a set and play it for many years, because a fine set of irons doesn't go out of fashion.
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Posted 20 October 2013 - 11:22 AM

I will go with the XP dynolite S300 in stiff flex. I believe it is around 115 grams Heavy enough to help my tempo but not too heavy like the S300 are.  For me anyways.

I tried them with the KBS tour and one that I believe was X95(?)

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Posted 20 October 2013 - 04:34 PM

View PostTMelectric, on 20 October 2013 - 08:58 AM, said:

I tried the G25 and EZ forged as well. I am a Ping guy with sets of G20, I20's, and Ansers. I really was disappointed in the G25.  I wanted to like them to justify buying them but not only did they feel harsh, I couldn't hit them well.

The EZ felt good but just no wow factor for me to buy.  I hit my Anser's great on good days, poor on bad. I am looking for something that is great on good days, good on bad ones.  Just like all of us on this site, I blame my Anser's. Lol

I checked my ego after hitting the Ap2's and tried the Ap1's. I got the wow factor with the Ap1's.

To be fair, my swing was fast for the most part.  When I settled down to my normal tempo, that is when I started hitting the Ap1's. I could not miss with them.  I did try the others for a hit or two but did not see better results.

I shoot normally 3-6 over on nine holes. When I play eighteen is when things get tricky. I can be 3 over through 9,then shoot 12 over on the back 9. Or vice versa. I had the Ap2's on my radar. I recently was 1 over thru 9 with 2 missed putts within three feet of the hole so I know I have some game. My pride went for the Ap2's. After hitting the Ap1's now, I will be the first in line for them. To heck with ego.
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Posted 20 October 2013 - 07:40 PM

From a looks perspective the AP1s look way chunkier than the Speedbladez.
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Posted 21 October 2013 - 09:10 PM

View Postdrew4008, on 20 October 2013 - 10:29 AM, said:

There's a ton of tech in the Speedbladez, even in those stock flighted shafts.  8i up they'll play fairly similar, but the Speedbladez will really shine in those low irons.. they get the ball up much, much better.  TM's should be at least 5 yards longer as well.  And just check my posts, I'm pretty close to a TM hater haha.. but the Speedbladez are getting a lot of positive press for a reason.  Really nice sticks.

What makes the AP1's any different this year?  Titleist really needs to work on their R&D.  Companies like TM and Cleveland, even Callaway, are impressing with their new tech improvements.  Titleist... not so much, same old every iteration.  I mean, I like Titleist and their brand in general but.. as far as GI clubs, they're not even close to being able to compete.

If you want to stay with TM go Rocketbladez and save your money on the Speedblades ,  Basically Rbladez with a new paint.

I much prefer the Ap1 over the Rbladez or Speedblades , feel sound , looks , sole , better on the AP1. The TM's are longer I will give you , can't take the look or sound of them.
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Posted 21 October 2013 - 09:27 PM

View Postcxissi, on 21 October 2013 - 09:10 PM, said:

If you want to stay with TM go Rocketbladez and save your money on the Speedblades ,  Basically Rbladez with a new paint.

This is not a very well-informed post.  They're quite different.  Every OEM's iron "upgrade" from one to the next is going to be similar (within the same line, ie. GI, SGI, players, etc.), but I'm pretty confident in saying a lot more changes have been made in this upgrade than most OEMs make each cycle.  Especially compared to say Ping.. the G15's, G20's, G25's are more or less identical.. and that's over what, 5 years?

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Posted 21 October 2013 - 10:04 PM

View Postdrew4008, on 21 October 2013 - 09:27 PM, said:

View Postcxissi, on 21 October 2013 - 09:10 PM, said:

If you want to stay with TM go Rocketbladez and save your money on the Speedblades ,  Basically Rbladez with a new paint.

This is not a very well-informed post.  They're quite different.  Every OEM's iron "upgrade" from one to the next is going to be similar (within the same line, ie. GI, SGI, players, etc.), but I'm pretty confident in saying a lot more changes have been made in this upgrade than most OEMs make each cycle.  Especially compared to say Ping.. the G15's, G20's, G25's are more or less identical.. and that's over what, 5 years?

I so agree!!! Not even close to being a repainted rbz.  SB are the best SGI in a GI package yet. Forgiving, long and soft. Gotta sign off for a few months. Launch monitor, indoor reviews off of mats are useless...ciao!


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Posted 21 October 2013 - 10:04 PM

View Postdrew4008, on 21 October 2013 - 09:27 PM, said:

View Postcxissi, on 21 October 2013 - 09:10 PM, said:

If you want to stay with TM go Rocketbladez and save your money on the Speedblades ,  Basically Rbladez with a new paint.

This is not a very well-informed post.  They're quite different.  Every OEM's iron "upgrade" from one to the next is going to be similar (within the same line, ie. GI, SGI, players, etc.), but I'm pretty confident in saying a lot more changes have been made in this upgrade than most OEMs make each cycle.  Especially compared to say Ping.. the G15's, G20's, G25's are more or less identical.. and that's over what, 5 years?

I so agree!!! Not even close to being a repainted rbz.  SB are the best SGI in a GI package yet. Forgiving, long and soft. Gotta sign off for a few months. Launch monitor, indoor reviews off of mats are useless...ciao!

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Posted 21 October 2013 - 10:11 PM

View Postdrew4008, on 21 October 2013 - 09:27 PM, said:

View Postcxissi, on 21 October 2013 - 09:10 PM, said:

If you want to stay with TM go Rocketbladez and save your money on the Speedblades ,  Basically Rbladez with a new paint.

This is not a very well-informed post.  They're quite different.  Every OEM's iron "upgrade" from one to the next is going to be similar (within the same line, ie. GI, SGI, players, etc.), but I'm pretty confident in saying a lot more changes have been made in this upgrade than most OEMs make each cycle.  Especially compared to say Ping.. the G15's, G20's, G25's are more or less identical.. and that's over what, 5 years?

Your post is based on your opinion which I might say is uniformed . Well I have hit both Sblades and Rbladez in my opinion there is no improvement on performance... cosmetic changes only .
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Posted 22 October 2013 - 06:44 AM

View Postlowdraw16, on 19 October 2013 - 04:58 PM, said:

I'd say the ap1's would better looking at address. The speedbladez aren't bad, but for the money, aren't worth it.
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Posted 22 October 2013 - 06:50 AM

View PostTMelectric, on 20 October 2013 - 08:58 AM, said:

I tried the G25 and EZ forged as well. I am a Ping guy with sets of G20, I20's, and Ansers. I really was disappointed in the G25.  I wanted to like them to justify buying them but not only did they feel harsh, I couldn't hit them well.

The EZ felt good but just no wow factor for me to buy.  I hit my Anser's great on good days, poor on bad. I am looking for something that is great on good days, good on bad ones.  Just like all of us on this site, I blame my Anser's. Lol

I checked my ego after hitting the Ap2's and tried the Ap1's. I got the wow factor with the Ap1's.

To be fair, my swing was fast for the most part.  When I settled down to my normal tempo, that is when I started hitting the Ap1's. I could not miss with them.  I did try the others for a hit or two but did not see better results.

I shoot normally 3-6 over on nine holes. When I play eighteen is when things get tricky. I can be 3 over through 9,then shoot 12 over on the back 9. Or vice versa. I had the Ap2's on my radar. I recently was 1 over thru 9 with 2 missed putts within three feet of the hole so I know I have some game. My pride went for the Ap2's. After hitting the Ap1's now, I will be the first in line for them. To heck with ego.
I see that you didn't like the feel of the G25. Just as a heads up, Ping has an insert in the shafts just under the grip that can be order as a custom option to improve feel. It takes all of the harshness away. It's a rubber insert with a couple of balls inside of them to dampen the harshness, but allow you to feel the proper feed back. I had them in my S56's and they felt like a forged club. Only draw back or potenial draw back is that it adds 10 grams to the total weight of the club, although the weight would be at the balance point of the club so I don't know if you'd even notice.

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Posted 22 October 2013 - 06:53 AM

Cant go wrong either one, I hit both and demo both the SB is longer for me, but i donyt like the blue color. i wish it was red or some other color.


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Posted 25 October 2013 - 06:38 AM

Haven't tried ap1 714, but have tried the 712.  I wouldn't call the ap1 more forgiving than the i20.
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Posted 25 October 2013 - 06:39 AM

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Posted 25 October 2013 - 06:47 AM

Seems like you already have the full spectrum covered with G20, I20, and Anser.  Are you just looking for something new?

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Posted 25 October 2013 - 07:29 AM

I'm thinking the new apex forged from cally may be a tough option to beat. I know it's priced along with the ap2, but that with a v2 just may be money.
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Posted 25 October 2013 - 11:48 AM

View Postbrew4eagle, on 25 October 2013 - 06:38 AM, said:

Haven't tried ap1 714, but have tried the 712.  I wouldn't call the ap1 more forgiving than the i20.

The Maltby numbers are quite high on the AP1s. They're marketed as the most forgiving irons Titleist makes.
The i20s are more in the "players" category for Ping. Many people have said the AP1s are close to the G25 in forgiveness. I've hit the AP1s and tend to agree. Not as forgiving, but somewhat close.

I'm not arguing here but I am wondering what I'm missing? When first looking for irons I hit the i20s. They were much closer to my i3+ irons than the G25s for forgiveness.

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Posted 25 October 2013 - 04:56 PM

View Postbstring, on 25 October 2013 - 11:48 AM, said:

View Postbrew4eagle, on 25 October 2013 - 06:38 AM, said:

Haven't tried ap1 714, but have tried the 712.  I wouldn't call the ap1 more forgiving than the i20.

The Maltby numbers are quite high on the AP1s. They're marketed as the most forgiving irons Titleist makes.
The i20s are more in the "players" category for Ping. Many people have said the AP1s are close to the G25 in forgiveness. I've hit the AP1s and tend to agree. Not as forgiving, but somewhat close.

I'm not arguing here but I am wondering what I'm missing? When first looking for irons I hit the i20s. They were much closer to my i3+ irons than the G25s for forgiveness.
I recently bought new irons- came down to i20 vs ap1 vs g25.  I found i20 to be pretty similar to ap1 performance wise.  i20 won out for forgiveness reasons for me.  I realize others will disagree, but that's why you have to try everything yourself.
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Posted 25 October 2013 - 07:15 PM

Saw the AP1 6 iron today.  Loved the look to be honest and felt pretty darn good in the couple of strikes I made with it.

AP2 looks to be improved as well.

Ever since moving to my epon 502's I've started to appreciate some forgiveness due to lack of practice, despite being a 3 handicap.  The AP1's will be on the radar as well as the Callaway Apex but they will have to be darn good to boot the 502's.
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Posted 26 October 2013 - 09:25 PM

So, I tried both the AP1 and the SpeedBlade on the range yesterday with my pro, who fitted me.  Hit a bunch of balls with both, as well as my current i20s. Distance-wise, both were great. However, my dispersion, consistency and flight angle were better with the AP1s. The SBs just went a bit too high for me and sprayed a bit. I only tried the stock steel shafts with both, but the stock shafts in the AP1s worked great for my swing. The shafts in the SBs seemed a bit too light (not that I couldn't get used to them over time). It was close, but I went ahead and ordered the AP1s (2 degs upright). I really feel that forgiveness-wise, they fall somewhere between the Ping i20s that I played this summer and the G25s which are somewhat too GI for me. The i20s are surprisingly forgiving for a "player's" club, but the AP1s gave me more room for error and more distance on off center shots. The difference is not as noticeable in the short irons, but the AP1 long irons really were easier for me to hit than the i20s. I am really trying to get rid of those 3 or 4 bad shots a round which cost me 6 to 8 strokes (e.g., 89 vs 83).  I also like the idea that Titlest is not going to come out with a new version of the AP1s for another 2 years, as opposed to 6 months for the SBs. It will give me time to get used to the new clubs before I get tempted to buy new ones again. Bottom line, though, is try them both out for yourself with someone knowledgable who can fit you, and see what works for you.
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Posted 27 October 2013 - 12:39 AM

View PostTMelectric, on 20 October 2013 - 08:58 AM, said:

I tried the G25 and EZ forged as well. I am a Ping guy with sets of G20, I20's, and Ansers. I really was disappointed in the G25.  I wanted to like them to justify buying them but not only did they feel harsh, I couldn't hit them well.

The EZ felt good but just no wow factor for me to buy.  I hit my Anser's great on good days, poor on bad. I am looking for something that is great on good days, good on bad ones.  Just like all of us on this site, I blame my Anser's. Lol

I checked my ego after hitting the Ap2's and tried the Ap1's. I got the wow factor with the Ap1's.

To be fair, my swing was fast for the most part.  When I settled down to my normal tempo, that is when I started hitting the Ap1's. I could not miss with them.  I did try the others for a hit or two but did not see better results.

I shoot normally 3-6 over on nine holes. When I play eighteen is when things get tricky. I can be 3 over through 9,then shoot 12 over on the back 9. Or vice versa. I had the Ap2's on my radar. I recently was 1 over thru 9 with 2 missed putts within three feet of the hole so I know I have some game. My pride went for the Ap2's. After hitting the Ap1's now, I will be the first in line for them. To heck with ego.

Have not seen or hit the AP1 in person, looking forward to it. But have hit the g25 and EZ forged extensively, I almost got the EZ forged, I liked them a lot and they just flew for me and very forgiving. I was also not impressed with g25 either. As far as the Speedblade, I could take it or leave it, nothing bad to say about them, but not wowed either. So I'd say AP1 if you're already having a great response with the AP1.
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Posted 30 October 2013 - 12:19 PM

The Speedblade is aboslutely leaner than the Ap1 714. The Ap1 714 is slightly more accurate, not quite as long (no big deal for me), and a bit less forgiving. That said I do not like the Speedblade stock shaft as it is too light. I "currently" have the Rocketbladez with PX 95's which for me is a perfect combination and would likley go with a similar weight shaft if I were to buy the Speedblade. Absolutely love the feel of the i20's but they are not for me and expect my new set to either be the JPX EZ Forged or TM Rocketbladz Tour (or replacement if coming out soon). The JPX EZ Forged is an amazing club and fits between GI and Players Irons, better feel and sound for me than the Bladez Tour but...the Bladez Tour are nothing short of fantastic on the course which is where it counts. The Bladez Tour are fantastic all the way through the line (4 - AW). I describe the EZ Forged as mix between the MP line feel, solidness of the AP1, ease of hitting the Bladez Tour, and fun to hit like the "regular" Rocketbladez. I need to hit the full EZ Forged set before deciding based on only the 6i. TM is going to have tough one in convincing me to move to the Bladez Tour or its replacement if the rest of the EZ Forged set is as good as the 6i.

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