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TM SDLR on the launch monitor

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Posted 05 August 2013 - 04:16 PM

I regard Taylormade as a marketing company first. Ping is my driver Mfg of choice; very consistent incremental innovation. I have not hit the SLDR on the course yet, but judging by my time on the launch monitor, this driver does not represent incremental innovation. It is markedly better than any driver that I have hit before.

Looks

The overall silver and charcoal grey is attractive, but not anything outstanding. It just looks like a serious functional product. Very understated for a TM product.

The Shaft

I hit the regular Speeder 57. The shaft felt stouter than the stock regular Phenom in the R1. However, the “made for” Phenom 55 seemed to have better feel. Based on about 25 hits, I would say that this Speeder 57 actually plays to flex. I don’t know if this is true, but someone at Fujikura told me that this is not a real speeder, but an older model with actual triax construction; as in an older “real” Fujikura. I was told that Taylormade actually spent a little more on shafts this time around to get it right, I swing around 97  to 102 mph when warmed up,  but I’m actually going to go with this club in a regular.I was concerned about the quality of the shaft because the “made  for” phenom was limp. By the way, the tour spec 6.3 speeder  in the TP version must be pretty stout.

Driver Comparison

I compared a 10.5 Titlelist with a regular Diamana to a SLDR 9.5 degree with stock regular. I picked a driver with a Diamana in it because I know and love that shaft. Of course, the Tittleist went higher, but best hits were around 240 on this monitor, The SLDR was consistently 20 yards longer. The trajectory was high and flat. The amazing thing about the SLDR was that every shot was almost the same. I picked up a regular R1 and a regular R1 TP for comparison. All drivers were consistently shorter by 15 to 20 yards. Feel is good, not great, but the driver is very, very solid and consistent. It felt like a very high MOI driver: very forgiving

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I didn’t get into the adjustability at all and that will be a bonus, but this has to be the most solid and longest driver that I have hit. It is like no Taylormade that I have ever hit. I’m picking up  my 9.5 degree with stock regular on Friday. My Ping G25 with a regular “real” Phenom 50 is history.

Edited by mbradley, 05 August 2013 - 05:21 PM.


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Posted 05 August 2013 - 04:22 PM

Thanks for the review!

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Posted 05 August 2013 - 04:28 PM

Easier to hit than the G25?

I will have to see that to believe it.

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Posted 05 August 2013 - 04:31 PM

I think alot of people have had similar results, looking forward to trying it; cheers for the review.

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Posted 05 August 2013 - 04:32 PM

NIce review but you may want to hold on to the "history" comments until you've played on the course a few times. Just curious, why did you compare a 10.5 Titleist to a 9.5 SLDR and why didn't you compare your gamer G25 on the monitor?

I too am looking forward to hitting it and might even get one in the fall when they're $200.

Edited by pingpring, 05 August 2013 - 04:33 PM.


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Posted 05 August 2013 - 04:34 PM

So this driver is clearly longer than the R1?...kinda hard to believe...but I am paying attention as my driver SS is essentially the same as yours...I just got the R1 2 months ago and I am hitting that driver higher and longer than any driver I have hit in a long time...I have to use technique and technology as I am not as strong as i was 10 years ago.

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Posted 05 August 2013 - 04:36 PM

View Postnova6868, on 05 August 2013 - 04:28 PM, said:

Easier to hit than the G25?

I will have to see that to believe it.

The MOI on the G25 is probably 60% higher then the SLDR which can't be much higher then 3000 due to the weight being so far forward.  WIth that said I look forward to hitting the SLDR this week.
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Posted 05 August 2013 - 04:43 PM

View Postnova6868, on 05 August 2013 - 04:28 PM, said:

Easier to hit than the G25?

I will have to see that to believe it.

In terms of construction ONLY. (Although I'm sure some TMAG Kool-aider will refute this) ... There is NO WAY the SLDR is more forgiving or easier to hit ... With all that weight moved forward - The forgivness / MOI MUST BE much higher on G25 than SLDR - Just a matter of physics ....  

I am waiting for a review where somebody actually admits they didnt catch the center of the face - and post how much distance they lost - cuz I bet you do. THAT will be a real review. But on the center of the face / sweetspot ... I bet SLDR is a FREAK !!!.

Dont any TMAGrs get excited .. I am still geeked to try this ... just being real ... Dont get yur panties in a wad

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Posted 05 August 2013 - 04:47 PM

Saw this thing today. I like the charcoal color so much better than the white. Got to hit it about three times. The feel IMO is way better than any of the last five TM drivers (maybe more as the last driver I liked was the r9).  I'm not the biggest TM fan, so other guys will have a different opinion on feel.

Like has been said, the stock shaft (Speeder 57) is pretty stout. The one I had felt closer to X than Stiff. I didn't get any numbers cause my simulator wasnt up and running yet, but it looked like it was coming off the face at a pretty high launch angle.

Little rep rid-bit. He said the SLDR has been producing better numbers for a wider range of swing speeds. In his words, the r1 worked better for faster swingers and not so well for slower speeds. The SLDR is working for either.
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Posted 05 August 2013 - 04:57 PM

View PostROBOPTI, on 05 August 2013 - 04:43 PM, said:

View Postnova6868, on 05 August 2013 - 04:28 PM, said:

Easier to hit than the G25?

I will have to see that to believe it.

In terms of construction ONLY. (Although I'm sure some TMAG Kool-aider will refute this) ... There is NO WAY the SLDR is more forgiving or easier to hit ... With all that weight moved forward - The forgivness / MOI MUST BE much higher on G25 than SLDR - Just a matter of physics ....  

I am waiting for a review where somebody actually admits they didnt catch the center of the face - and post how much distance they lost - cuz I bet you do. THAT will be a real review. But on the center of the face / sweetspot ... I bet SLDR is a FREAK !!!.

Dont any TMAGrs get excited .. I am still geeked to try this ... just being real ... Dont get yur panties in a wad

You are spot on with your MOI statement. I think we were even told the moi decreased. It is certainly not the most forgiving driver out.

I hit a bunch off the toe.  I wish could say on purpose to see the distance loss, but it wasn't. It was probably a good 20yds shorter then on solid hits.  I had some long second shots.  So for me about 8% loss in distance.  

Might be different from person to person.


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Posted 05 August 2013 - 05:00 PM

View Postnova6868, on 05 August 2013 - 04:28 PM, said:

Easier to hit than the G25?

I will have to see that to believe it.

The G25 is still  the straightest long  driver that I have hit. It will not, however, be anywhere near this long and I doubt if i'll have problems hitting fairways with this driver. I would think that the weighting being in the back would significantly contribute to the G25 having a higher MOI.

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Posted 05 August 2013 - 05:02 PM

View Postpingpring, on 05 August 2013 - 04:32 PM, said:

NIce review but you may want to hold on to the "history" comments until you've played on the course a few times. Just curious, why did you compare a 10.5 Titleist to a 9.5 SLDR and why didn't you compare your gamer G25 on the monitor?

I too am looking forward to hitting it and might even get one in the fall when they're $200.

Just went with what was avaliable at the time. Didn't know that Roger Dunn would have a SLDR that they would let me hit.

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Posted 05 August 2013 - 05:06 PM

View Postmact3333, on 05 August 2013 - 04:34 PM, said:

So this driver is clearly longer than the R1?...kinda hard to believe...but I am paying attention as my driver SS is essentially the same as yours...I just got the R1 2 months ago and I am hitting that driver higher and longer than any driver I have hit in a long time...I have to use technique and technology as I am not as strong as i was 10 years ago.

The R1 is long.but this driver is more consistent. The R1 would be hard pressed to produce this agressive trajectory. I think that you will find that the R1 is a tweak of the R11. The SLDR is  definitely something different.I can't believe that I'm going to buy a Taylormade.

Edited by mbradley, 05 August 2013 - 05:24 PM.


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Posted 05 August 2013 - 05:12 PM

View PostJ13, on 05 August 2013 - 04:36 PM, said:

View Postnova6868, on 05 August 2013 - 04:28 PM, said:

Easier to hit than the G25?

I will have to see that to believe it.

The MOI on the G25 is probably 60% higher then the SLDR which can't be much higher then 3000 due to the weight being so far forward.  WIth that said I look forward to hitting the SLDR this week.

I would agree that a weight backward club would have a stronger MOI, but this thing has a very strong and consistent energy transfer; it is different. I would like to know the MOI on this one also. I will say this. The track that the sliding weight rides on is large and deep and  it appears that a lot of weight has been moved to the perimeter. Wouldn' that significant affect MOI?

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Posted 05 August 2013 - 05:19 PM

View PostROBOPTI, on 05 August 2013 - 04:43 PM, said:

View Postnova6868, on 05 August 2013 - 04:28 PM, said:

Easier to hit than the G25?

I will have to see that to believe it.

In terms of construction ONLY. (Although I'm sure some TMAG Kool-aider will refute this) ... There is NO WAY the SLDR is more forgiving or easier to hit ... With all that weight moved forward - The forgivness / MOI MUST BE much higher on G25 than SLDR - Just a matter of physics ....  

I am waiting for a review where somebody actually admits they didnt catch the center of the face - and post how much distance they lost - cuz I bet you do. THAT will be a real review. But on the center of the face / sweetspot ... I bet SLDR is a FREAK !!!.

Dont any TMAGrs get excited .. I am still geeked to try this ... just being real ... Dont get yur panties in a wad

I kinda understand where you are coming from. I really don't like Taylormade and I always thought their emphasis on CG forward was at the expense of MOI. The CG on this one is so close to the face and so low that the club is definitely easy up. I'm sure that you can hit it high on the face and get a serious tail of in performance, but once you hit it, youl'll see how consistent the energy transfer is.


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Posted 05 August 2013 - 05:34 PM

View PostJ13, on 05 August 2013 - 04:36 PM, said:

The MOI on the G25 is probably 60% higher then the SLDR which can't be much higher then 3000 due to the weight being so far forward.  WIth that said I look forward to hitting the SLDR this week.

That's what I'm saying. Weight low and forward may be lower spin, but the MOI can't be nearly as high. There is always a trade-off.

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Posted 05 August 2013 - 05:42 PM

View PostROBOPTI, on 05 August 2013 - 04:43 PM, said:

View Postnova6868, on 05 August 2013 - 04:28 PM, said:

Easier to hit than the G25?

I will have to see that to believe it.

In terms of construction ONLY. (Although I'm sure some TMAG Kool-aider will refute this) ... There is NO WAY the SLDR is more forgiving or easier to hit ... With all that weight moved forward - The forgivness / MOI MUST BE much higher on G25 than SLDR - Just a matter of physics ....  

I am waiting for a review where somebody actually admits they didnt catch the center of the face - and post how much distance they lost - cuz I bet you do. THAT will be a real review. But on the center of the face / sweetspot ... I bet SLDR is a FREAK !!!.

Dont any TMAGrs get excited .. I am still geeked to try this ... just being real ... Dont get yur panties in a wad

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Posted 05 August 2013 - 05:49 PM

View Postmbradley, on 05 August 2013 - 05:00 PM, said:

View Postnova6868, on 05 August 2013 - 04:28 PM, said:

Easier to hit than the G25?

I will have to see that to believe it.

The G25 is still  the straightest long  driver that I have hit. It will not, however, be anywhere near this long and I doubt if i'll have problems hitting fairways with this driver. I would think that the weighting being in the back would significantly contribute to the G25 having a higher MOI.

How is the sldr longer than the g25?  If we're comparing apples to apples, they should be very similar in length.

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Posted 05 August 2013 - 05:57 PM

Where is everyone hitting this thing? I went looking for it this weekend and came up empty.

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Posted 05 August 2013 - 05:58 PM

View Postgunmetal, on 05 August 2013 - 05:49 PM, said:

View Postmbradley, on 05 August 2013 - 05:00 PM, said:

View Postnova6868, on 05 August 2013 - 04:28 PM, said:

Easier to hit than the G25?

I will have to see that to believe it.

The G25 is still  the straightest long  driver that I have hit. It will not, however, be anywhere near this long and I doubt if i'll have problems hitting fairways with this driver. I would think that the weighting being in the back would significantly contribute to the G25 having a higher MOI.

How is the sldr longer than the g25?  If we're comparing apples to apples, they should be very similar in length.

No way! The lowest spinning driver that most have tested is the Ping Anser. That is a driver that is back weighted. For most high spinners, the anser is going to be longer. The SLDR is definitely low spin. The combination real low GC and high lauch with lower spin creates a longer driver. The energy transfer on this is going to be different if you believe that the maximum energy transfer is lower on the face where most hit the ball.


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Posted 05 August 2013 - 06:13 PM

View Postnova6868, on 05 August 2013 - 05:34 PM, said:

View PostJ13, on 05 August 2013 - 04:36 PM, said:

The MOI on the G25 is probably 60% higher then the SLDR which can't be much higher then 3000 due to the weight being so far forward.  WIth that said I look forward to hitting the SLDR this week.

That's what I'm saying. Weight low and forward may be lower spin, but the MOI can't be nearly as high. There is always a trade-off.


Exactly, can't dispute physics.  Honestly I would say if they get 3000 MOI out of the SLDR that would be good.  Again this is going to be a driver for the consistent ball striker.
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Posted 05 August 2013 - 06:22 PM

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No way! The lowest spinning driver that most have tested is the Ping Anser. That is a driver that is back weighted. For most high spinners, the anser is going to be longer. The SLDR is definitely low spin. The combination real low GC and high lauch with lower spin creates a longer driver. The energy transfer on this is going to be different if you believe that the maximum energy transfer is lower on the face where most hit the ball.

The SLDR is the lowest spinning driver I've hit. I've been looking for a new driver for the past couple of weeks and have hit every model of every brand with every shaft combination possible. I swing out of my shoes and was able to hit most of the newer drivers consistently carrying 290 or so and rolling past 300 (R1, Amp Cell, Covert, Anser -- pretty much everything BUT Titleist drivers for whatever reason). The problem is that my drives are spinning in the 3000rpm range.

Finally, yesterday, I went to Roger Dunn and picked up the SLDR 9.5 with a Diamana stiff shaft. First ball carried 310. Next ball carried 330 and rolled through the trackman screen and ended up at 361. I would never swing that hard on the course, but there is no question this driver added a good 30-40 yards of distance to my drive. The key was that for each of those drives the rpms were about 1200.

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Posted 05 August 2013 - 06:28 PM

Just out of curiosity, what is the length of the stock shaft in these? It would be very interesting to see how it compares to the R1/RBZ/etc.

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Posted 05 August 2013 - 06:37 PM

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View Postmbradley, on 05 August 2013 - 05:58 PM, said:


No way! The lowest spinning driver that most have tested is the Ping Anser. That is a driver that is back weighted. For most high spinners, the anser is going to be longer. The SLDR is definitely low spin. The combination real low GC and high lauch with lower spin creates a longer driver. The energy transfer on this is going to be different if you believe that the maximum energy transfer is lower on the face where most hit the ball.

The SLDR is the lowest spinning driver I've hit. I've been looking for a new driver for the past couple of weeks and have hit every model of every brand with every shaft combination possible. I swing out of my shoes and was able to hit most of the newer drivers consistently carrying 290 or so and rolling past 300 (R1, Amp Cell, Covert, Anser -- pretty much everything BUT Titleist drivers for whatever reason). The problem is that my drives are spinning in the 3000rpm range.

Finally, yesterday, I went to Roger Dunn and picked up the SLDR 9.5 with a Diamana stiff shaft. First ball carried 310. Next ball carried 330 and rolled through the trackman screen and ended up at 361. I would never swing that hard on the course, but there is no question this driver added a good 30-40 yards of distance to my drive. The key was that for each of those drives the rpms were about 1200.

Everything you said sounds absurd.
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Posted 05 August 2013 - 06:51 PM

Weight further back increases MOI but it also increases gear effect, which increases curvature. The typical golfer uses that gear effect to find more fairways but for the better player it can be a different story.


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Posted 05 August 2013 - 06:56 PM

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No way! The lowest spinning driver that most have tested is the Ping Anser. That is a driver that is back weighted. For most high spinners, the anser is going to be longer. The SLDR is definitely low spin. The combination real low GC and high lauch with lower spin creates a longer driver. The energy transfer on this is going to be different if you believe that the maximum energy transfer is lower on the face where most hit the ball.

The SLDR is the lowest spinning driver I've hit. I've been looking for a new driver for the past couple of weeks and have hit every model of every brand with every shaft combination possible. I swing out of my shoes and was able to hit most of the newer drivers consistently carrying 290 or so and rolling past 300 (R1, Amp Cell, Covert, Anser -- pretty much everything BUT Titleist drivers for whatever reason). The problem is that my drives are spinning in the 3000rpm range.

Finally, yesterday, I went to Roger Dunn and picked up the SLDR 9.5 with a Diamana stiff shaft. First ball carried 310. Next ball carried 330 and rolled through the trackman screen and ended up at 361. I would never swing that hard on the course, but there is no question this driver added a good 30-40 yards of distance to my drive. The key was that for each of those drives the rpms were about 1200.

Everything you said sounds absurd.

Sounds absurd? Maybe. But it's all true.

I'll go back to Roger Dunn sometime in the next few days, duplicate the results, take a screenshot of all the data, and post it on here. I'll even try to get the sales guy who saw me do it (twice by the way) take a picture holding the results. And for the trouble you can send me a box of Pro V1's. Deal?

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Posted 05 August 2013 - 07:07 PM

For the trouble?  I'm sorry but 1200rpm spin?  Love to see these numbers.
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Posted 05 August 2013 - 07:40 PM

View PostJ13, on 05 August 2013 - 06:37 PM, said:

View PostMisterLomez, on 05 August 2013 - 06:22 PM, said:

View Postmbradley, on 05 August 2013 - 05:58 PM, said:

No way! The lowest spinning driver that most have tested is the Ping Anser. That is a driver that is back weighted. For most high spinners, the anser is going to be longer. The SLDR is definitely low spin. The combination real low GC and high lauch with lower spin creates a longer driver. The energy transfer on this is going to be different if you believe that the maximum energy transfer is lower on the face where most hit the ball.

The SLDR is the lowest spinning driver I've hit. I've been looking for a new driver for the past couple of weeks and have hit every model of every brand with every shaft combination possible. I swing out of my shoes and was able to hit most of the newer drivers consistently carrying 290 or so and rolling past 300 (R1, Amp Cell, Covert, Anser -- pretty much everything BUT Titleist drivers for whatever reason). The problem is that my drives are spinning in the 3000rpm range.

Finally, yesterday, I went to Roger Dunn and picked up the SLDR 9.5 with a Diamana stiff shaft. First ball carried 310. Next ball carried 330 and rolled through the trackman screen and ended up at 361. I would never swing that hard on the course, but there is no question this driver added a good 30-40 yards of distance to my drive. The key was that for each of those drives the rpms were about 1200.

Everything you said sounds absurd.

I'm pretty sure the ball would fall out of the air with spin @ 1200.

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Posted 05 August 2013 - 07:46 PM

+1 on ball falling out of the sky at 1,200 rpms. The theme of this thread seems to be 'you can't argue with physics'.
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Posted 05 August 2013 - 07:47 PM

Yeah, I can't imagine 1200 spin going very far...


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