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Why are ping i20s more consistent for me that G25s?

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#1 Megadriver455

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Posted 15 June 2013 - 06:02 PM

I have been to 3 different fitters trying out clubs.
I am coming from a set of Forged Ben Hogan Apex Edge Pros.

Trying mizuno, ok, callaway, ok, but I loved the feel of ping i20s. My dispersion was super tight vs any other club.
So I thought, how about more forgiveness like G-25?  Well I did not get the consistency I got with the i20s and I am not sure why. I hit both a ton, and they were set up correctly. I thought the 25s were supposed to be easy and forgiving.
X flex, 1/2 long, 2' upright. I swing a 7 with about 95mph head speed.
I really wanted the game improvement and I am not in the "recommended" handicap zone for the i20s yet I shot them way better. Will they bite me?

Anyone here shot both who can tell me why The G25s may not have worked out for me?

Edited by Megadriver455, 15 June 2013 - 06:04 PM.


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Posted 15 June 2013 - 09:41 PM

When I went thru a Ping nFlight fitting last year, I got just the opposite result - - tighter dispersion with G20 vs. i20.  The fitter mentioned that, in his experience, the i20's seemed to perform a bit better for higher swing speed players (you're 95 with a 7i while I'm 85 with a 6i).  For me, the ball speed was faster off the G20 than the i20.  Shaft, club balance, and where you hit it on the face (toe, heel, high,low) may all have influenced your results as well.  I've played both G20 and i20, and for me the G20 is noticeably easier to hit / more forgiving - - my misses tend to be to the toe or a bit thin.  But it sounds like the i20 may be a great fit for you.

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Posted 15 June 2013 - 09:41 PM

View PostMegadriver455, on 15 June 2013 - 06:02 PM, said:

I have been to 3 different fitters trying out clubs.
I am coming from a set of Forged Ben Hogan Apex Edge Pros.

Trying mizuno, ok, callaway, ok, but I loved the feel of ping i20s. My dispersion was super tight vs any other club.
So I thought, how about more forgiveness like G-25?  Well I did not get the consistency I got with the i20s and I am not sure why. I hit both a ton, and they were set up correctly. I thought the 25s were supposed to be easy and forgiving.
X flex, 1/2 long, 2' upright. I swing a 7 with about 95mph head speed.
I really wanted the game improvement and I am not in the "recommended" handicap zone for the i20s yet I shot them way better. Will they bite me?

Anyone here shot both who can tell me why The G25s may not have worked out for me?

Best to re-do the tests on a number of different days.

Even the best players don't have the same swing all the time and it's certainly possible that your swing on THAT particular day was more suited to, and simply worked better with, the I20s.

I tried all the different combos (shafts, lies, etc) on a number of different days. The vast majority of the time the G's worked better for ME. Of course those were the G20s, not the G25s. I haven't seriously hit the G25s yet but the couple of times I did I couldn't hit them for beans,,,,,,,,

Edited by gopherguts, 15 June 2013 - 09:42 PM.


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Posted 15 June 2013 - 09:49 PM

BTW . . . . . I'm currently playing G20s, and just hit the G25s for the first time today off grass on the range.  My experience was that I hit the G25s every bit as good as the G20s, and probably slightly better.  I'd agree with gopherguts to try the G25s and i20s multiple times, if possible.

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Posted 15 June 2013 - 09:55 PM

Could be the offset and wider sole on the G25s vs the I20s.


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Posted 15 June 2013 - 09:59 PM

The same thing happened to me. Maybe you were just more comfortable with the shape of the i20

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Posted 16 June 2013 - 12:26 AM

I think you all have valid points. That certainly doesn't make my decision easy lol!
I went on two different days and i20s had the best dispersion, 15 yards at 170ish carry, but I may go back in a week without hitting anything and try again.
Every time, however, I have been +1/2 length, +2 upright and an X flex or projectX 6-6.5 so at least those are consistent measurements.
I think you guys may be on to something regarding being used to that type of clubhead. What scared me about the i20s was the recommended handicap range for them is way below what I am now, and closer to what I used to be when I played often which was an 8.5. Now I'm at an 18ish but I'll get better quick.

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Posted 16 June 2013 - 12:27 AM

View PostMegadriver455, on 15 June 2013 - 06:02 PM, said:

I have been to 3 different fitters trying out clubs.
I am coming from a set of Forged Ben Hogan Apex Edge Pros.

Trying mizuno, ok, callaway, ok, but I loved the feel of ping i20s. My dispersion was super tight vs any other club.
So I thought, how about more forgiveness like G-25?  Well I did not get the consistency I got with the i20s and I am not sure why. I hit both a ton, and they were set up correctly. I thought the 25s were supposed to be easy and forgiving.
X flex, 1/2 long, 2' upright. I swing a 7 with about 95mph head speed.
I really wanted the game improvement and I am not in the "recommended" handicap zone for the i20s yet I shot them way better. Will they bite me?

Anyone here shot both who can tell me why The G25s may not have worked out for me?

Maybe there's a golf pro inside of you waiting to burst out?

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Posted 16 June 2013 - 08:14 AM

I've got an arsenal of different irons to play with, including (currently) i5's and G25's, and the G's are flat out more forgiving than the i's.  The i's are fine on those good ball striking days, but when you are off, they will punish you.  Had several shots the other day with the i's where I thought to myself that I lost yards because of a toe hit.  The shorter blade length gives the sensation that you can really aim at the flag sometimes, but when you count results on the course, the G's win.

The i's are better if you want to work the ball a lot, particularly high and low.  G's tend to go high.  Both are as accurate as your swing is in terms of sideways control.

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Posted 16 June 2013 - 10:40 AM

View PostNessism, on 16 June 2013 - 08:14 AM, said:


The i's are better if you want to work the ball a lot, particularly high and low.  G's tend to go high.  Both are as accurate as your swing is in terms of sideways control.

I do like to work the ball left, right, high and low, trap it for spin, etc.  my side spin with the G25s was +700ish, i20s ranged -65 to -375 ish. Baby draw.  I think if I hit high I would be messed up by the loss of distance and affected more by wind..  I will have to compare a bit more. Really wish I could just hit them on a course or real range to decide.


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Posted 16 June 2013 - 10:48 AM

View PostMegadriver455, on 16 June 2013 - 10:40 AM, said:

View PostNessism, on 16 June 2013 - 08:14 AM, said:

The i's are better if you want to work the ball a lot, particularly high and low.  G's tend to go high.  Both are as accurate as your swing is in terms of sideways control.

I do like to work the ball left, right, high and low, trap it for spin, etc.  my side spin with the G25s was +700ish, i20s ranged -65 to -375 ish. Baby draw.  I think if I hit high I would be messed up by the loss of distance and affected more by wind..  I will have to compare a bit more. Really wish I could just hit them on a course or real range to decide.

Not a fan of launch monitors telling the story when it comes to accuracy.  As for an 18 handicap on the way to 8 goes, that's G territory all the way.  I'm an 8 currently and have no interest in giving away strokes needlessly.  The i's can work the ball easier, but not sure why an 8 would want to work the ball often anyway.

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Posted 16 June 2013 - 11:13 AM

I have the G25 but I am inclined to tell you to get the i20.

It sounds like you are getting back into the game and were a very good ball strker in the past. Your present handicap has no bearing on how good of an iron player you are, just the fact that you can and do like to work the ball tells alot about your ability.

The i20 are as easy and forgiving an iron in the player category as can be. If you like the looks of them better and they are working better for you they might just be the better club for you.

Find a course that sells Ping and see if they have demo irons. Try both out on the range off of grass then make your decision.

I still have a set of Apex Edge Pro, great irons. But those and all the other forged player irons are gathering dust in the basement since I got the G25s. It did take some getting use to but I can get away with murder and still shot good scores.

Good Luck

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Posted 16 June 2013 - 11:28 AM

View PostMegadriver455, on 15 June 2013 - 06:02 PM, said:

Anyone here shot both who can tell me why The G25s may not have worked out for me?

It took me weeks to adjust to the G20 review set Ping sent me before I could give them a fair review. My eye does not adjust easily to offset, and I'm used to looking at something smaller behind the ball.

Once past that, forgiveness was crazy.

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I am coming from a set of Forged Ben Hogan Apex Edge Pros.

My first new set of irons. What great irons they were.
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Posted 16 June 2013 - 05:20 PM

I tried again today, just couldn't resist. Compared at two different vendors.
Ordered i20s. CFS Xflex, yellow dot, mid grip, +1/2 length.
I am going to play a 9 hole course 2x when I get them. Once with my old set and once with the i20s.
Will be interesting.

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Posted 16 June 2013 - 05:26 PM

Funny this came up.  

I'm a mediocre golfer, maybe a 20 if I kept a handicap.  When I hit it good, it's real good but my irons can be really inconsistant.  I hated my R11 irons so I decided to go in a get fitted for some G20's or 25's at our big Ping Dealer who has the iFlight/Trackman setup.  

After a really good fitting I found the i20 to be the best most consistant iron.  I was hitting high and towards the toe and lost only maybe 5-7 yards.  The 25 was loosing 7-10 yards on the same miss hit.

The dispensation was also much tighter.

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Posted 16 June 2013 - 07:49 PM

If you're a "sweeper" the I20s with their narrower sole might work better. If you're more of a "digger" the G25s might work better because of their wider sole.

Just a thought.

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Posted 21 June 2013 - 10:58 PM

Hit my i20s today. I have always been a power draw hitter, now I'm a slight fade. Starts straight then at apogee it starts leaking about 10 yards right. Acceptable to pounce on the greens.

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 08:19 AM

View PostMegadriver455, on 15 June 2013 - 06:02 PM, said:

I have been to 3 different fitters trying out clubs.
I am coming from a set of Forged Ben Hogan Apex Edge Pros.

Trying mizuno, ok, callaway, ok, but I loved the feel of ping i20s. My dispersion was super tight vs any other club.
So I thought, how about more forgiveness like G-25?  Well I did not get the consistency I got with the i20s and I am not sure why. I hit both a ton, and they were set up correctly. I thought the 25s were supposed to be easy and forgiving.
X flex, 1/2 long, 2' upright. I swing a 7 with about 95mph head speed.
I really wanted the game improvement and I am not in the "recommended" handicap zone for the i20s yet I shot them way better. Will they bite me?

Anyone here shot both who can tell me why The G25s may not have worked out for me?
Can't tell you why, but I can tell you i'm playing i20's.  I bought a set of G25's, same shaft and color code as the i20's, played them for one round, boxed them up and sold them.  Went back to playing the i20's.  For me, the i20's are much better.  Don't know why, but it's a fact.

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 08:40 AM

I20's are one of the best set of clubs from the driver, woods, hybrids, irons, and even the wedges. It's hard to find a better set than these. I believe people will be talking about these like they do the eye 2's for years to come.
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Posted 22 June 2013 - 09:30 AM

What really matters is how they play on the course......recommended handicap levels and fittings are just that.....recommendations.  You have to play a club to really know if it is right for you.  Good luck with the i20s.


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Posted 22 June 2013 - 11:35 AM

View PostMegadriver455, on 16 June 2013 - 10:40 AM, said:

View PostNessism, on 16 June 2013 - 08:14 AM, said:

The i's are better if you want to work the ball a lot, particularly high and low.  G's tend to go high.  Both are as accurate as your swing is in terms of sideways control.

I do like to work the ball left, right, high and low, trap it for spin, etc.  my side spin with the G25s was +700ish, i20s ranged -65 to -375 ish. Baby draw.  I think if I hit high I would be messed up by the loss of distance and affected more by wind..  I will have to compare a bit more. Really wish I could just hit them on a course or real range to decide.

View PostMegadriver455, on 21 June 2013 - 10:58 PM, said:

Hit my i20s today. I have always been a power draw hitter, now I'm a slight fade. Starts straight then at apogee it starts leaking about 10 yards right. Acceptable to pounce on the greens.

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Posted 22 June 2013 - 03:56 PM

View Postgopherguts, on 22 June 2013 - 11:35 AM, said:

View PostMegadriver455, on 16 June 2013 - 10:40 AM, said:

View PostNessism, on 16 June 2013 - 08:14 AM, said:

The i's are better if you want to work the ball a lot, particularly high and low.  G's tend to go high.  Both are as accurate as your swing is in terms of sideways control.

I do like to work the ball left, right, high and low, trap it for spin, etc.  my side spin with the G25s was +700ish, i20s ranged -65 to -375 ish. Baby draw.  I think if I hit high I would be messed up by the loss of distance and affected more by wind..  I will have to compare a bit more. Really wish I could just hit them on a course or real range to decide.

Really weird. Launch monitor had me as a draw, but real world was fading a bit. I'm ok with a fade and 165 carry on a 7 iron.
Especially when the Mizuno guys were doing a club fitting and had me try a few of their clubs and shafts for comparison. I loved the feel of the 64's, but my i20 7i matched that 6i swing for swing with the same landing and flight. That was CFS X on ping vs KBS Tour C Taper and X100 DGs.
The pings did feel hard by comparison.

View PostMegadriver455, on 21 June 2013 - 10:58 PM, said:

Hit my i20s today. I have always been a power draw hitter, now I'm a slight fade. Starts straight then at apogee it starts leaking about 10 yards right. Acceptable to pounce on the greens.

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