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Scorecard scorekeeping (Net vs Gross)


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Poll: Scorecard scorekeeping (Net vs Gross) (38 member(s) have cast votes)

How do you keep score?

  1. Total # of strokes per hole (33 votes [86.84%])

    Percentage of vote: 86.84%

  2. Total # of strokes per hole over/under par (5 votes [13.16%])

    Percentage of vote: 13.16%

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#1 jhy1281

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 03:38 PM

How do you keep score? It would seem to be a lot easier keep net score on your score card i.e.  0 for par, +1 for bogey..etc and would make adding score a lot faster too.. i mean, it's not that difficult to add up the gross scores but adding up zeros, ones, twos, etc is much easier and simpler... Also, is there a rule against that?

My apologies. It seems I've created lots of confusion in my question. What I meant to ask was, what method you use to write down your score?
Both methods are to calculate gross score (unadjusted for handicaps). I hope this clarifies some confusion. Second part: Is there a rule against the second method?

1 - Total # of Strokes
2 - Total # of Strokes over/under par

Examples below:

Hole................................. 1 2 3  4 5 6  7 8 9
Par.................................. 4 4 3  5 4 5  4 3 4 = 36
1 - Total # of Strokes............... 4 5 4  4 4 6  3 3 5 = 38
2 - Total # of Strokes over/under Par 0 1 1 -1 0 1 -1 0 1 = 2 over par of 36 or 38 total

Edited by jhy1281, 07 June 2013 - 10:10 AM.


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Posted 05 June 2013 - 03:42 PM

Grew up scoring gross...when I see someone score net it just looks wrong. :)

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 03:43 PM

View Post4Wedges, on 05 June 2013 - 03:42 PM, said:

Grew up scoring gross...when I see someone score net it just looks wrong. :)

Same and not sure how much a hole in one would stand out as much... unless it came on a really bad day.

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 03:47 PM

Gross, you can post your equitable stroke controls to the HCP pages at the end of the round.   You may as well know what you REALLY scored that day vs putting down that feel good score.
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Posted 05 June 2013 - 06:55 PM

I've never heard of anyone ever writing down their net score.


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Posted 05 June 2013 - 08:54 PM

I use scratches for pars, 1's for bogies and -1's for birdies with a circle.

But they are all gross scores.  If the player gets a bump on a hole, I'll cut the box in half and put his net in the lower box.

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 11:09 PM

I've seen markings for net before, but it seems as much of a pain as gross, so I use what's more readble to more people.

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Posted 05 June 2013 - 11:13 PM

I think what the OP is asking is do you write the actual number  4/5/3 etc or do you just make a mark on your card like X for par -1 for birdie +1 for bogey etc.

I use the X +1 -1 method easy to keep track of and get a good idea of where you stand with just a quick look at the card

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 04:51 AM

Gross score, I can figure out my stableford points or net score, or whatever in the bar afterwards

Exceptions to this are

1. Matchplay: so that I always know the state of the match and there is no arguments from the opponent as to whether it is 1UP or 2UP etc,
2. Side bets: similar reason

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 06:58 AM

View PostOne_Putt_Blunder, on 05 June 2013 - 11:13 PM, said:

I think what the OP is asking is do you write the actual number I 4/5/3 etc or do you just make a mark on your card like X for par -1 for birdie +1 for bogey etc.

I use the X +1 -1 method easy to keep track of and get a good idea of where you stand with just a quick look at the card

Yes, this is what i meant =)


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Posted 06 June 2013 - 07:36 AM

Well, "Net" isn't +1/-1/0 etc... net is the number minus handicap.

I just put gross and figure it out from there. When I count the card at the end, I just count across how many strokes above/below from par for each hole instead of adding up the numbers (much like writing +2, etc...) just in my head.

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 07:43 AM

I write down the number of strokes taken rather than the net score on the hole.  It doesn't really matter one way or the other though.

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 08:10 AM

I keep gross/actual number with a running "in relation to par" score underneath.  May card looks like this:
Hole 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 Par 4 4 3 5 4 5 4 3 4 My Score 4 5 4 4 4 6 3 3 5 Relation to Par - +1 +2 +1 +1 +2 +1 +1 +2

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 08:40 AM

Gross vs Net

Hole    1 2 3  4 5 6  7 8 9
Par     4 4 3  5 4 5  4 3 4 = 36
Gross   4 5 4  4 4 6  3 3 5 = 38
"Net"   0 1 1 -1 0 1 -1 0 1 = 2

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 01:11 PM

I usually keep just my own score since I rarely play for money. On the top line I write down my gross score. On the bottom line I right my net score. I use normal looking numbers for strokes over par and and negative numbers for birdies/eagles. I leave the pars blank, that way I can quickly look across the card and just add the numbers to see where i am relative to par at any time. at the turn and after the round i add up my gross score just to double check.

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 02:29 PM

For myself and the people I regularly play golf with, gross scores are all that count.  Net scores are only used in tournaments where they award prizes for both gross & net.

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 02:33 PM

View PostKaysquare, on 06 June 2013 - 02:29 PM, said:

For myself and the people I regularly play golf with, gross scores are all that count.  Net scores are only used in tournaments where they award prizes for both gross & net.

See above, I think in this case "net" is just in relation to par. I use "net" in relation to par as well.

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 03:11 PM

View PostHuntster, on 06 June 2013 - 02:33 PM, said:

View PostKaysquare, on 06 June 2013 - 02:29 PM, said:

For myself and the people I regularly play golf with, gross scores are all that count.  Net scores are only used in tournaments where they award prizes for both gross & net.

See above, I think in this case "net" is just in relation to par. I use "net" in relation to par as well.

Yessir. This makes it easy to check things. There's typically room for actual score on one line and a "relative to par" on the next line, with a running total, not individual holes on this line. So back-to-back bogeys would show +1 +2 (instead of +1 +1).   At the end I also "count" the odds. 3 odds (3/5/7) and the total should be odd. Just an extra check.

We play a lot of team scores, so inputting the best ball leaves us plenty of room to score a running total relative to par on separate lines, and still score the nassau and presses.

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 03:39 PM

For me it depends. If this is a formal stroke play competition then raw/gross scores is what is required.

For my personal scorecard I record my stats data and keep a running score against par somewhere 'off the card' (typically where the hole #'s are).

The norm for our informal team competitions is 'net score against par' (would this be 'net-net'?) in the 'team score' column.

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Posted 06 June 2013 - 06:19 PM

View PostHuntster, on 06 June 2013 - 02:33 PM, said:

View PostKaysquare, on 06 June 2013 - 02:29 PM, said:

For myself and the people I regularly play golf with, gross scores are all that count.  Net scores are only used in tournaments where they award prizes for both gross & net.

See above, I think in this case "net" is just in relation to par. I use "net" in relation to par as well.

The word "net" has already been taken.  It means something else!  Please, please find another word!

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Posted 07 June 2013 - 07:05 AM

View PostSawgrass, on 06 June 2013 - 06:19 PM, said:

View PostHuntster, on 06 June 2013 - 02:33 PM, said:

View PostKaysquare, on 06 June 2013 - 02:29 PM, said:

For myself and the people I regularly play golf with, gross scores are all that count.  Net scores are only used in tournaments where they award prizes for both gross & net.

See above, I think in this case "net" is just in relation to par. I use "net" in relation to par as well.

The word "net" has already been taken.  It means something else!  Please, please find another word!

(Okay, I'm better now.)
Agreed. Par is taken. Gross is taken. Net is taken. They all have very specific definitions and use, which is not what you're doing above.

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Posted 07 June 2013 - 07:48 AM

View Postnatedd, on 06 June 2013 - 08:10 AM, said:

I keep gross/actual number with a running "in relation to par" score underneath.

This is what I do.

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Posted 07 June 2013 - 09:48 AM

View Postmisterlau, on 07 June 2013 - 07:48 AM, said:

View Postnatedd, on 06 June 2013 - 08:10 AM, said:

I keep gross/actual number with a running "in relation to par" score underneath.

This is what I do.

yes.  write down the gross.  If I get a stroke on the hole I write the net in () for that hole and a net total in () after each side and for the total.
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Posted 07 June 2013 - 09:52 AM

View Postjhy1281, on 06 June 2013 - 06:58 AM, said:

View PostOne_Putt_Blunder, on 05 June 2013 - 11:13 PM, said:

I think what the OP is asking is do you write the actual number I 4/5/3 etc or do you just make a mark on your card like X for par -1 for birdie +1 for bogey etc.

I use the X +1 -1 method easy to keep track of and get a good idea of where you stand with just a quick look at the card

Yes, this is what i meant =)

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Posted 07 June 2013 - 09:56 AM

View Postjhy1281, on 06 June 2013 - 08:40 AM, said:

Gross vs Net

Hole 1 2 3  4 5 6  7 8 9
Par 4 4 3  5 4 5  4 3 4 = 36
Gross   4 5 4  4 4 6  3 3 5 = 38
"Net"   0 1 1 -1 0 1 -1 0 1 = 2


Change the word NET to RTP (relative to par).  As you've discovered, NET means "with handicap".  You might as well write the word "bananas" instead of "NET", because they both would have been equally as accurate :-)


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Posted 07 June 2013 - 11:38 AM

I always keep score with the real numbers that were scored on the hole.  Main reason I do it is that I play in a lot of tournaments every year that are played under USGA Rules and you are putting down our actual score on every hole and signing that the hole by hole score is correct, not the total score is correct.
I have seen people, not in our tournaments, just write down whatever they are over or under hole by hole but most people I play golf with never do that.
I guess it is acceptable if not in tournament play.

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Posted 07 June 2013 - 12:48 PM

Rick, in tournaments, I have an offical card provided to me (and usually it's someone elses card as I am the marker for them, and they for me). On that official card, it's strokes taken, period.

I will usually grab another card to track my score on, some stats, etc... One can most certainly annotate the +1/-1 on that extra personal card.

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Posted 07 June 2013 - 01:06 PM

View PostSawgrass, on 06 June 2013 - 06:19 PM, said:

View PostHuntster, on 06 June 2013 - 02:33 PM, said:

View PostKaysquare, on 06 June 2013 - 02:29 PM, said:

For myself and the people I regularly play golf with, gross scores are all that count.  Net scores are only used in tournaments where they award prizes for both gross & net.

See above, I think in this case "net" is just in relation to par. I use "net" in relation to par as well.

The word "net" has already been taken.  It means something else!  Please, please find another word!

(Okay, I'm better now.)

That is why I used quotes. I like Larrybud's suggestion to use RTP.

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