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Posted 24 May 2013 - 02:07 PM

Zoeller: My Tiger comment was joke gone awry


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INDIANAPOLIS (AP) — Fuzzy Zoeller says he's ``paid his dues'' after his infamous remarks about Tiger Woods ordering fried chicken for the Masters champions dinner, and believes similar comments made by Sergio Garcia will eventually blow over.
Garcia has apologized to Woods after saying at a recent awards dinner in London that he would serve fried chicken if the two rivals had dinner at the U.S. Open. Garcia called it a ``silly remark,'' adding that ``in no way was the comment meant in a racist manner.''
Still, the comment brought up the stereotype of simple-minded blacks obsessed with chicken and watermelon - a stereotype that dates back more than a century.
It also brought back memories of a similar comment that Zoeller made during the 1997 Masters, when Woods was romping to victory. Himself a former champion, Zoeller said on camera that he hoped Woods wouldn't order fried chicken for the dinner honoring past champions the following year.
``Mine was a joke that went bad. What the hell, I paid my dues,'' Zoeller said at Indianapolis Motor Speedway, where his spirits company - Fuzzy's Ultra Premium Vodka - is sponsoring the pole-winning car that will be driven by Ed Carpenter in Sunday's race.
While folks still remember his infamous comments, Zoeller said they're well in the past.
Garcia's eventually will be, too.
``I don't know. They've had feuds before. It's just the way it is. That's sports,'' Zoeller said. ``There's going to be feuds here this week sometime (at Indianapolis). Someone will get in (a spat) out here. Some you'll hear about, some you won't.''
Woods and Garcia have had a tumultuous couple of weeks, dating to the third round of The Players Championship, when Garcia implied that Woods purposely stirred up the gallery as the Spaniard was playing a shot. Woods said it was not surprising that Garcia was complaining.
``It'll all blow over,'' Zoeller said. ``Those boys will be fine.''




Did Fuzzy just refer to Tiger as "boy"?


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Posted 24 May 2013 - 02:10 PM

Forget the chicken and collard greens reference, "that little boy" is the real disturbing part of Fuz's remarks. In any case its all moot because this thread doesn't really exist.

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 02:10 PM

LOL. Can't say anything these days without getting spit roasted. :rofl:

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 02:14 PM

View Postexquisitechip, on 24 May 2013 - 02:10 PM, said:

Forget the chicken and collard greens reference, "that little boy" is the real disturbing part of Fuz's remarks. In any case its all moot because this thread doesn't really exist.

What doesn't exist is your quote. He was referencing both Sergio and Tiger as "boys" because Fuzzy is quite their senior.

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 02:15 PM

The "Political Correctness Movement" has become a caricature of itself. Sheer idiocy has now taken over.


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Posted 24 May 2013 - 02:19 PM

View PostFrankInOhio, on 24 May 2013 - 02:15 PM, said:

The "Political Correctness Movement" has become a caricature of itself. Sheer idiocy has now taken over.
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Posted 24 May 2013 - 02:20 PM

View PostFrankInOhio, on 24 May 2013 - 02:15 PM, said:

The "Political Correctness Movement" has become a caricature of itself. Sheer idiocy has now taken over.

Hell yeah, let's go wail on some nerds!!!

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 02:20 PM

Fuzzy, thanks-now please go away again.

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 02:23 PM

View Postexquisitechip, on 24 May 2013 - 02:10 PM, said:

Forget the chicken and collard greens reference, "that little boy" is the real disturbing part of Fuz's remarks. In any case its all moot because this thread doesn't really exist.

I didn't take the little boy comment as a big deal given their age difference and the fact that Tiger was so young at the time. But then came the comments about the food that "they" serve. I don't know how in the world he thought people would find that funny.

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 02:24 PM

Fuzzy hasn't lived it down, and Sergio will not either.  It will always be on his back.


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Posted 24 May 2013 - 02:27 PM

Fuzzys Ultra Premium Vodka?

You drink that or put it in your gas tank? Ha! I suspect the latter.

"Mine was a joke that went bad"

Hey Fuzzy. Notice how your phone hansnt been ringing? That's a good thing. Stay under your rock until you're ready to suck it up and admit what you did.





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Posted 24 May 2013 - 02:27 PM

Fuzzy's only excuse on that fateful day was that he'd finished his round and was well into the bar.  If memory serves....wasn't he holding a drink in his hand while they were interviewing him??  I seem to remember someone making the comment that he'd been in the scotch for a while before the reporters questioned him.

Wonder if anyone of his people ever thought of saying, "Oh, hell.  Fuzzy was just drunk."  And if it would have helped or changed anything?

Come to think of it - Maybe Sergio should have used that excuse. Michelobe might have dropped him but a lot of people can sympathize with someone gettin drunk and saying something stupid.
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Posted 24 May 2013 - 02:30 PM

View Postbaileyoconnell, on 24 May 2013 - 02:07 PM, said:

Zoeller: My Tiger comment was joke gone awry


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INDIANAPOLIS (AP) — Fuzzy Zoeller says he's ``paid his dues'' after his infamous remarks about Tiger Woods ordering fried chicken for the Masters champions dinner, and believes similar comments made by Sergio Garcia will eventually blow over.
Garcia has apologized to Woods after saying at a recent awards dinner in London that he would serve fried chicken if the two rivals had dinner at the U.S. Open. Garcia called it a ``silly remark,'' adding that ``in no way was the comment meant in a racist manner.''
Still, the comment brought up the stereotype of simple-minded blacks obsessed with chicken and watermelon - a stereotype that dates back more than a century.
It also brought back memories of a similar comment that Zoeller made during the 1997 Masters, when Woods was romping to victory. Himself a former champion, Zoeller said on camera that he hoped Woods wouldn't order fried chicken for the dinner honoring past champions the following year.
``Mine was a joke that went bad. What the hell, I paid my dues,'' Zoeller said at Indianapolis Motor Speedway, where his spirits company - Fuzzy's Ultra Premium Vodka - is sponsoring the pole-winning car that will be driven by Ed Carpenter in Sunday's race.
While folks still remember his infamous comments, Zoeller said they're well in the past.
Garcia's eventually will be, too.
``I don't know. They've had feuds before. It's just the way it is. That's sports,'' Zoeller said. ``There's going to be feuds here this week sometime (at Indianapolis). Someone will get in (a spat) out here. Some you'll hear about, some you won't.''
Woods and Garcia have had a tumultuous couple of weeks, dating to the third round of The Players Championship, when Garcia implied that Woods purposely stirred up the gallery as the Spaniard was playing a shot. Woods said it was not surprising that Garcia was complaining.
``It'll all blow over,'' Zoeller said. ``Those boys will be fine.''




Did Fuzzy just refer to Tiger as "boy"?
No he addressed both Tiger and Sergio as "those boys" It is Americana's equivelent to Canadiana's "Those guys" Not any kind of slur, no matter how hard one tries to make it thus.
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Posted 24 May 2013 - 02:30 PM

View Postlumberman2462, on 24 May 2013 - 02:27 PM, said:

Fuzzy's only excuse on that fateful day was that he'd finished his round and was well into the bar.  If memory serves....wasn't he holding a drink in his hand while they were interviewing him??  I seem to remember someone making the comment that he'd been in the scotch for a while before the reporters questioned him.

Wonder if anyone of his people ever thought of saying, "Oh, hell.  Fuzzy was just drunk."  And if it would have helped or changed anything?

Come to think of it - Maybe Sergio should have used that excuse. Michelobe might have dropped him but a lot of people can sympathize with someone gettin drunk and saying something stupid.

Being drunk didn't get Mel Gibson out of hot water for his anti-Semitic rant. What is that old saying about alcohol revealing a person's true feelings?

Edited by redfirebird08, 24 May 2013 - 02:31 PM.


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Posted 24 May 2013 - 02:30 PM

What's wrong with the article again?

or should I say, what's the point of it?

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 02:39 PM

View Postredfirebird08, on 24 May 2013 - 02:30 PM, said:

View Postlumberman2462, on 24 May 2013 - 02:27 PM, said:

Fuzzy's only excuse on that fateful day was that he'd finished his round and was well into the bar.  If memory serves....wasn't he holding a drink in his hand while they were interviewing him??  I seem to remember someone making the comment that he'd been in the scotch for a while before the reporters questioned him.

Wonder if anyone of his people ever thought of saying, "Oh, hell.  Fuzzy was just drunk."  And if it would have helped or changed anything?

Come to think of it - Maybe Sergio should have used that excuse. Michelobe might have dropped him but a lot of people can sympathize with someone gettin drunk and saying something stupid.

Being drunk didn't get Mel Gibson out of hot water for his anti-Semitic rant. What is that old saying about alcohol revealing a person's true feelings?

In Vino Veritas.  In Wine - The Truth.

It's a fair point.  But we don't have thought police because you can't police thoughts.  We have action police - and those get you good.  

Most people are pretty forgiving. Does that mean Fuzzy or Sergio are going to get or keep their big time endorsement $$$.  Not necessarily.  But I think all of this will blow over and we'll just go back to Sergio and Tiger not liking each other.  They're either going to talk on the telephone or Sergio will have to corner him at the US Open and apologize.  Tiger can feel whatever he wants to feel about Sergio forever and ever - But publicly he'll have to accept his apology and move on.  The reason?  Tiger had a massive #&$%-up and asked people to forgive him.  By and large - most people have.  He doesn't accept Sergio's apology and he'll look bad and the press will take after him.

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 02:41 PM

View PostVindog, on 24 May 2013 - 02:30 PM, said:

What's wrong with the article again?

or should I say, what's the point of it?

I think the point is that other than Sergio, his family and management team - the next person in line to hate this situation is Fuzzy...because it brings his deal back up again.
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Posted 24 May 2013 - 02:48 PM

There will come a day when we once again discuss golf on golfwrx.  Apparently that day hasn't arrived yet.

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 02:52 PM

When the punishments are becoming FAR MORE severe than the crime, the PC Police have gone off the deep end.

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 02:54 PM

View Post502 to Right, on 24 May 2013 - 02:48 PM, said:

There will come a day when we once again discuss golf on golfwrx.  Apparently that day hasn't arrived yet.

That day will come again when 75% of the golfing population start to care about more than just one player. When that player isn't playing that week, this is the stuff you get.


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Posted 24 May 2013 - 02:55 PM

View PostTim Meitner, on 24 May 2013 - 02:52 PM, said:

When the punishments are becoming FAR MORE severe than the crime, the PC Police have gone off the deep end.

He got off easy.

Because he was a coward and said what he did

In a country club that is all white!

Coward.

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 02:57 PM

View PostTim Meitner, on 24 May 2013 - 02:52 PM, said:

When the punishments are becoming FAR MORE severe than the crime, the PC Police have gone off the deep end.

Sergio hasn't had any punishment. Both pro tours gave him a free pass and I bet TaylorMade will let him off the hook as well.

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 02:58 PM

View Postbscinstnct, on 24 May 2013 - 02:55 PM, said:

View PostTim Meitner, on 24 May 2013 - 02:52 PM, said:

When the punishments are becoming FAR MORE severe than the crime, the PC Police have gone off the deep end.

He got off easy.

Because he was a coward and said what he did

In a country club that is all white!

Coward.

As an African-American male.....I actually don't agree with you. he lost his sponsor (Kmart...and whoever else). How did the comment outwardly hurt Tiger specifically...other than drudging up a tired old stereotype?

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 02:58 PM

I wouldn't read much past Fuzzy referencing the age of Tiger and Sergio, although even that is misplaced as both are in their 30's now? Or not.

The only point of contention is whether he was thinking of Sergio's Spanish heritage. There are interpretations of "race" or more appropriately "ethnicity" where bigots have historically referred to any white person of a background predisposed to darker hair colors (though still with "white" skin) as being "not white." For what it is worth, I don't think he was doing that in this case.
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Posted 24 May 2013 - 02:59 PM

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Tiger and Sergio I respect both of you and your golf so much plz end this y'all are so good for golf #justgetalongmyfriends
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Posted 24 May 2013 - 03:02 PM

When JD is the voice of reason, things are really messed up


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Posted 24 May 2013 - 03:02 PM

View PostTim Meitner, on 24 May 2013 - 02:52 PM, said:

When the punishments are becoming FAR MORE severe than the crime, the PC Police have gone off the deep end.
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Posted 24 May 2013 - 03:04 PM

View Postredfirebird08, on 24 May 2013 - 02:57 PM, said:

View PostTim Meitner, on 24 May 2013 - 02:52 PM, said:

When the punishments are becoming FAR MORE severe than the crime, the PC Police have gone off the deep end.

Sergio hasn't had any punishment. Both pro tours gave him a free pass and I bet TaylorMade will let him off the hook as well.

From using a phrase that was accepted until a decade or so ago? Please. We went from colored, to black, to African-American! What's next? Can't we just be labeled human beings, or at least American's? I have to go back 8-9 generations to find a relative that originated from Africa! If someone's ancestor is from France....must they be referred to as French-American?

I'm not thrilled with being labeled 'colored', but if that's the worst thing I hear from an athletes mouth, I think things will be ok.

Edit: Just realized Sergio brought up Fried Chicken, and the Euro Tour exec was the one who mentioned "colored".

Sergio certainly is becoming a Spain in the arse... ;)

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 03:15 PM

View PostTim Meitner, on 24 May 2013 - 02:58 PM, said:

View Postbscinstnct, on 24 May 2013 - 02:55 PM, said:

View PostTim Meitner, on 24 May 2013 - 02:52 PM, said:

When the punishments are becoming FAR MORE severe than the crime, the PC Police have gone off the deep end.

He got off easy.

Because he was a coward and said what he did

In a country club that is all white!

Coward.

As an African-American male.....I actually don't agree with you. he lost his sponsor (Kmart...and whoever else). How did the comment outwardly hurt Tiger specifically...other than drudging up a tired old stereotype?

He is a punk who called Tiger a "little boy" and

Did it in a venue where he thought he was

Safe

And thus

I think he is a coward. Because he was not enough of a man to shoot off his mouth in front of a group of the people that he

Seemed to be intent on insulting.

If he at least went up to Tiger and called him "little boy", he could say

"I said it to his face"

But instead, he was destroyed saying what he did

Behind Tiger Woods back

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Posted 24 May 2013 - 03:18 PM

View Postbscinstnct, on 24 May 2013 - 03:15 PM, said:

View PostTim Meitner, on 24 May 2013 - 02:58 PM, said:

View Postbscinstnct, on 24 May 2013 - 02:55 PM, said:

View PostTim Meitner, on 24 May 2013 - 02:52 PM, said:

When the punishments are becoming FAR MORE severe than the crime, the PC Police have gone off the deep end.

He got off easy.

Because he was a coward and said what he did

In a country club that is all white!

Coward.

As an African-American male.....I actually don't agree with you. he lost his sponsor (Kmart...and whoever else). How did the comment outwardly hurt Tiger specifically...other than drudging up a tired old stereotype?

He is a punk who called Tiger a "little boy" and

Did it in a venue where he thought he was

Safe

And thus

I think he is a coward. Because he was not enough of a man to shoot off his mouth in front of a group of the people that he

Seemed to be intent on insulting.

If he at least went up to Tiger and called him "little boy", he could say

"I said it to his face"

But instead, he was destroyed saying what he did

Behind Tiger Woods back

Are you typing in verse? If so, could you hum a few bars for us please?

Thanks.


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