Posted 06 May 2013 - 08:52 AM
Posted 06 May 2013 - 08:57 AM
...officially it's only from the putting surface. This method gives you an accurate count of GIR as well. So when you hear it on TV they are only referring to putts stroked from the surface.
Your example is a one-putt.
In a related note, one of my favorite statistics in modern golf is the "feet of putts made". The commentator will sometimes say "Graeme has made 116 feet of putts leading up to Saturday." The higher number the more impressive the stat. They are measuring the distance of the final roll going into the cup on each hole and adding up the sum total.
We can't measure ours because we don't have the digital equipment. Cool metric to hear.
Edited by station2station, 06 May 2013 - 09:03 AM.
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Posted 06 May 2013 - 09:07 AM
Posted 06 May 2013 - 09:28 AM
"For putts number of putts is virtually useless. Keep track of how many 1-putts and how many 3-putts and what was the distance (approximate is good enough) of your first putt. Taking 35 putts when you were putting from 30+ feet on every green is not bad at all. Taking 35 putts when you have half a dozen first putts inside 10 feet and none longer than 25 feet is awful."
think if you hit EVERY GIR and 2 putted each one. that would be a 72 with 36 putts. i'll take that every day of the week. but what if i miss each GIR and chip it within 2 feet and drain each putt. now i have 18 putts with a 72. same score, different things each player needs to work on.
Posted 06 May 2013 - 10:20 AM
As others note, total putts can be misleading, as it generally is lowered by having a good short game, where you're chipping/pitching give you a lot of short 1 putt opportunities. Putts per GIR is a better stat, but it is still skewed by your distance from the pin.
Posted 06 May 2013 - 11:25 AM
Posted 06 May 2013 - 11:58 AM
ignoring whether counting putts is beneficial, your making a seperate argument. There is a difference between counting putts in hopes of judging putting skill and counting putts to determine how well you score. having a one putt double bogey says nothing about score, but can still reference that you are a good putter.
in general i think counting putts is an antique way of judging ability. its way overrated on determining skill. this is why pga went to the putts gained stat. .
i've mentioned it before, but i like to track my putting but tracking distance isn't going to happen, and i still think overall feet made is a little overrated too. draining a long putt would make you look like a great putter compared to the guy routinely draining 4-5 footers. missing 3 footers and making the comeback 2 footer would also be ignored by using distance stat.
i simply count putts missed inside 4 feet, putts made outside 5 feet, and number of 3 putts. compare these stats round to round to see if you're getting better or worse.
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Posted 06 May 2013 - 01:30 PM
Ummmm, shouldn't that be 98.7585% of the time? Sheesh.
Posted 06 May 2013 - 02:53 PM
I agree that putt per round with no other metric doesn't really paint a totally clear picture. But I still like to know what my per round average is! haha
Posted 06 May 2013 - 03:05 PM
and i totally agree about putts per round being one of the more useless stats out there
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Posted 06 May 2013 - 03:11 PM
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Posted 06 May 2013 - 06:46 PM
Posted 06 May 2013 - 07:03 PM
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Posted 06 May 2013 - 07:13 PM
But in the end, keep the stats you want... they're there to help you understand and keep track of YOUR game!
Posted 06 May 2013 - 07:13 PM
It was marked a putt, as anything on the green is, regardless of club selection. Faldo, I think, mentioned it.
I think feet up putt made is a much more valuable indicator of how good of a day you're having on the greens.
Of course on tour, strokes gained rules these days.
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Posted 06 May 2013 - 07:18 PM
I guess the key is to do it consistently so you can determine if you are improving or not.
In terms of putts, assuming you count putts as starting once you are on the green, then obviously 36 or higher is bad, 32-34 is ok, 30-32 is getting better, and less than 30 is generally very good. That is how I look at my putting anyway.
Posted 06 May 2013 - 10:17 PM
Again, I might be wrong.
Posted 06 May 2013 - 10:34 PM
Total putts is a fine stat to keep. It gives you the percentage of strokes that are putts on a round and can be used to gauge other things. I'd expect to see certain correlations out of the stats and would be concerned if they weren't there.
Posted 06 May 2013 - 10:50 PM
Again, I might be wrong.
Posted 06 May 2013 - 10:51 PM
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Posted 07 May 2013 - 04:33 AM
for me the gir and the putts per round predict my score pretty accurately ... a half dozen or more gir and 32 putts and I will be breaking 80 on that day.
the only thing that is not consistent for me are up and down percentages, because I can never figure out what distance to start from ... I have settled in at around 40 yards from the pin. Inside that is an up and down opportunity and outside that, not. I better be at 30% minimum and hopefully closer to 50%.
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Edited by atlanta golfer, 07 May 2013 - 04:36 AM.
Posted 07 May 2013 - 06:41 AM
Posted 07 May 2013 - 10:14 AM
I once lagged to 3 feet through the "Valley of Sin" from 63 yards out, liped out the 1st putt and took a regulation par. The score card just said 4 but, it was still a Fugly 4 fortunately, the pub doesn't overlook the 18th green and I'm not allowed in the clubhouse that does.
Posted 07 May 2013 - 12:56 PM
Posted 07 May 2013 - 05:22 PM
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