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Posted 04 March 2013 - 04:26 PM

I'm having a Matrix 6Q3 regular flex sent to me & having it installed in my Nike Covert Tour as my swing speed varies from 96 - 102. I almost went with the Black Tie 5M3 but what I have been told is the Red Tie has an amazing feel to it compared to the Black Tie or the White Tie. I'm wondering who has tried this combo & did you need to adjust the loft higher when playing this shaft. What does this shaft compare too as I know it's from the Matrix HD line but what about other shafts out there that are high end.


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Posted 04 March 2013 - 10:05 PM

Wow nobody has even hit this shaft yet as it was released in January.

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 10:32 PM

You're going with a regular at that swing speed?? Do you have a really smooth tempo?

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Posted 04 March 2013 - 10:37 PM

Testing my demo of it now - here's what I think so far:

It launches fairly low - if you're choosing between lofts go up a degree. I hit this in a 10.5 against my Altus (a high launch shaft) in a 9.5 and the Altus/9.5 launched higher
It plays fairly stout - if you're in doubt drop down half a flex. My R flex is tipped 5/8" and plays like a loose Stiff although frequency is only 245 at 44.75.
Spin is low and ballspeed very high - it's a hot shaft.
I like the feel of the HD6 better - a little mushier than 6Q3 - but this may be better for a hitter. I think Q3 has better ballspeed.
You can snap-hook any shaft, but you aren't likely to hit an overpowered draw with this one - very sturdy lower mid and tip section.
It's not as counterbalanced as many shafts - 206 gm head got me D2.5 at 44.75.
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Posted 04 March 2013 - 11:20 PM

View PostAwalkspoiled, on 04 March 2013 - 10:37 PM, said:

Testing my demo of it now - here's what I think so far:

It launches fairly low - if you're choosing between lofts go up a degree. I hit this in a 10.5 against my Altus (a high launch shaft) in a 9.5 and the Altus/9.5 launched higher
It plays fairly stout - if you're in doubt drop down half a flex. My R flex is tipped 5/8" and plays like a loose Stiff although frequency is only 245 at 44.75.
Spin is low and ballspeed very high - it's a hot shaft.
I like the feel of the HD6 better - a little mushier than 6Q3 - but this may be better for a hitter. I think Q3 has better ballspeed.
You can snap-hook any shaft, but you aren't likely to hit an overpowered draw with this one - very sturdy lower mid and tip section.
It's not as counterbalanced as many shafts - 206 gm head got me D2.5 at 44.75.
It looks great.

I used the HD6 in a Ping G15 head for years and it gave me good results but it was a pretty stout feeling shaft IMHO. So, if the Q3 is a "harder" version of the HD6 I'll be interested to see if anyone really likes it.

This may not end up being the shaft that I'm looking for to replace my 7M3 Black Tie but I should know more after my fitting session Wednesday.

Edited by schlebrock, 04 March 2013 - 11:22 PM.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 02:10 AM

I tried this in a 9* rbz stage 2. It launched super high and very low spin for me (16 launch 2100 spin) I'm not sure if its the real deal 6Q3 though. Regardless, it was a very smooth feeling shaft.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 04:13 AM

I was thinking of either having this shaft in an Amp Cell Driver or the Oban Kiyoshi White, which I find nice and smooth but very stable at the tip, where I need it, to keep dispersion at bay, and knock off a tad of spin. I haven't tried the 6Q3 yet, so it'll be interesting to see how this thread develops.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 08:06 AM

View Postlbj273, on 04 March 2013 - 10:32 PM, said:

You're going with a regular at that swing speed?? Do you have a really smooth tempo?
  yes it is a smooth tempo as I have always felt that from previous experience that Matrix shafts play a littler stiffer than what they advertize.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 08:14 AM

View PostAwalkspoiled, on 04 March 2013 - 10:37 PM, said:

Testing my demo of it now - here's what I think so far:

It launches fairly low - if you're choosing between lofts go up a degree. I hit this in a 10.5 against my Altus (a high launch shaft) in a 9.5 and the Altus/9.5 launched higher
It plays fairly stout - if you're in doubt drop down half a flex. My R flex is tipped 5/8" and plays like a loose Stiff although frequency is only 245 at 44.75.
Spin is low and ballspeed very high - it's a hot shaft.
I like the feel of the HD6 better - a little mushier than 6Q3 - but this may be better for a hitter. I think Q3 has better ballspeed.
You can snap-hook any shaft, but you aren't likely to hit an overpowered draw with this one - very sturdy lower mid and tip section.
It's not as counterbalanced as many shafts - 206 gm head got me D2.5 at 44.75.
It looks great.
  Thanks for the info as I have played the Black Tie 6M3 in reg. in a RBZ head & it felt stiff. Made me feel as if I had to swing harder to keep it straight but Wow! I got some good distance from it. Low trajectory from the Black Tie also contributed to me feeling like I had to put more effort into it to get the ball up. I don't think this 6Q3 is going to be as hard or stout as the Black Tie. I'm only going by hearsay but this shaft is going to fit a majority of us low to mid capers wanting get the best of both worlds with better ball speed

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 08:57 AM

View PostTipZuno, on 05 March 2013 - 08:14 AM, said:

View PostAwalkspoiled, on 04 March 2013 - 10:37 PM, said:

Testing my demo of it now - here's what I think so far:

It launches fairly low - if you're choosing between lofts go up a degree. I hit this in a 10.5 against my Altus (a high launch shaft) in a 9.5 and the Altus/9.5 launched higher
It plays fairly stout - if you're in doubt drop down half a flex. My R flex is tipped 5/8" and plays like a loose Stiff although frequency is only 245 at 44.75.
Spin is low and ballspeed very high - it's a hot shaft.
I like the feel of the HD6 better - a little mushier than 6Q3 - but this may be better for a hitter. I think Q3 has better ballspeed.
You can snap-hook any shaft, but you aren't likely to hit an overpowered draw with this one - very sturdy lower mid and tip section.
It's not as counterbalanced as many shafts - 206 gm head got me D2.5 at 44.75.
It looks great.
  Thanks for the info as I have played the Black Tie 6M3 in reg. in a RBZ head & it felt stiff. Made me feel as if I had to swing harder to keep it straight but Wow! I got some good distance from it. Low trajectory from the Black Tie also contributed to me feeling like I had to put more effort into it to get the ball up. I don't think this 6Q3 is going to be as hard or stout as the Black Tie. I'm only going by hearsay but this shaft is going to fit a majority of us low to mid capers wanting get the best of both worlds with better ball speed

I'm seeing the same thing with my Black Tie TipZuno.

Crazy distance but you have to work really hard on every swing to get the most out of it, I'll be interested to hear how the Q3 shaft works for you and hope you'll come back and post your results.

Edited by schlebrock, 05 March 2013 - 08:58 AM.

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Posted 05 March 2013 - 11:29 AM

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 06:51 PM

I have had many matrix shafts in the past and I just recently hit the 6q3 stiff flex the other day and it really didn't remind me of any matrix shaft. I've had multiple HDs,xcons,and played with a f7m2 for awhile and this shaft is not really like any of those to me. It has a very rapid energy transfer like the xcon but it's in a completely different place in the shaft. it's not the old" hinge" that you'd feel with older matrix shafts. That shaft performs great though low spin lowish launch just a weird feel to me, not smooth at all

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Posted 07 March 2013 - 07:50 PM

View Postg36man, on 07 March 2013 - 06:51 PM, said:

I have had many matrix shafts in the past and I just recently hit the 6q3 stiff flex the other day and it really didn't remind me of any matrix shaft. I've had multiple HDs,xcons,and played with a f7m2 for awhile and this shaft is not really like any of those to me. It has a very rapid energy transfer like the xcon but it's in a completely different place in the shaft. it's not the old" hinge" that you'd feel with older matrix shafts. That shaft performs great though low spin lowish launch just a weird feel to me, not smooth at all

Agreed with your feelings on the Q3, though I also find the M3 and X3 to be odd feeling as well. None of them have that liquid smooth feel to them that I've come to associate with most previous Matrix shafts.

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 01:35 PM

Well the 6Q3 arrived & I no longer have plans to have it matched up with my Covert Tour head as I can't find any adapters as they are all back ordered. I've decided on putting a Fujikura Motore Speeder VC 6.2 TS as I have one coming from Nike. Might put the 6Q3 in my TEE XCG 3W instead or might not even take it out of the package & put it up for sell. I hope this shaft does well as Matrix has always been one of my favorites.

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Posted 08 March 2013 - 02:11 PM

This is the lowest launching "mid" launch shaft ive hit in a while.


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Posted 11 March 2013 - 04:37 PM

Well not even going to attempt it, going with a Matrix White Tie for my TEE XCG 6 13*. It will be here sometime this week

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Posted 04 April 2013 - 08:18 PM

curious about this shaft but in the 7q3 option.  I am looking at maybe tipping the shaft a half inch.  What is this shaft similar to.  I have always enjoyed the speeder 757 tour spec, and currently play a 73 gram whiteboard.  Any of you have any idea how this shaft would play tipped a bit. thanks

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Posted 01 May 2013 - 05:40 AM

I just tipped one of these, 6Q3, 1" and the epoxy is curing as we speak. I'll report back after I take her out back. Head is a RAZR Fit Extreme 9.5 degree
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Posted 03 May 2013 - 10:31 AM

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 11:27 AM

Here's my mini review...

If you're a fast swinger, this shaft hits it a little too high. Background on me... about 120mph swing, I go after it, not gonna lie. Probably not the prettiest swing out here but I pound it. This shaft spins a touch too much for me. It is smooth as silk, I'll give it that but a little too high of a launch. If you have a smooth tempo, this shaft will be like butter for you. Going to try the White Tie and Black Tie respectively over the next 10 days and compare. If anyone wants a 44" with RAZR tip Red Tie, PM me.

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Posted 03 May 2013 - 08:16 PM

View PostSuper Tuna, on 07 March 2013 - 07:50 PM, said:

View Postg36man, on 07 March 2013 - 06:51 PM, said:

I have had many matrix shafts in the past and I just recently hit the 6q3 stiff flex the other day and it really didn't remind me of any matrix shaft. I've had multiple HDs,xcons,and played with a f7m2 for awhile and this shaft is not really like any of those to me. It has a very rapid energy transfer like the xcon but it's in a completely different place in the shaft. it's not the old" hinge" that you'd feel with older matrix shafts. That shaft performs great though low spin lowish launch just a weird feel to me, not smooth at all

Agreed with your feelings on the Q3, though I also find the M3 and X3 to be odd feeling as well. None of them have that liquid smooth feel to them that I've come to associate with most previous Matrix shafts.

Agreed. "Bland" was the word that came to my mind when I hit these next generation Matrix shafts. IMHO Matrix took a step backwards with these.

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Posted 05 January 2014 - 04:04 AM

View Postschlebrock, on 05 March 2013 - 08:57 AM, said:

View PostTipZuno, on 05 March 2013 - 08:14 AM, said:

View PostAwalkspoiled, on 04 March 2013 - 10:37 PM, said:

Testing my demo of it now - here's what I think so far:

It launches fairly low - if you're choosing between lofts go up a degree. I hit this in a 10.5 against my Altus (a high launch shaft) in a 9.5 and the Altus/9.5 launched higher
It plays fairly stout - if you're in doubt drop down half a flex. My R flex is tipped 5/8" and plays like a loose Stiff although frequency is only 245 at 44.75.
Spin is low and ballspeed very high - it's a hot shaft.
I like the feel of the HD6 better - a little mushier than 6Q3 - but this may be better for a hitter. I think Q3 has better ballspeed.
You can snap-hook any shaft, but you aren't likely to hit an overpowered draw with this one - very sturdy lower mid and tip section.
It's not as counterbalanced as many shafts - 206 gm head got me D2.5 at 44.75.
It looks great.
  Thanks for the info as I have played the Black Tie 6M3 in reg. in a RBZ head & it felt stiff. Made me feel as if I had to swing harder to keep it straight but Wow! I got some good distance from it. Low trajectory from the Black Tie also contributed to me feeling like I had to put more effort into it to get the ball up. I don't think this 6Q3 is going to be as hard or stout as the Black Tie. I'm only going by hearsay but this shaft is going to fit a majority of us low to mid capers wanting get the best of both worlds with better ball speed

I'm seeing the same thing with my Black Tie TipZuno.

Crazy distance but you have to work really hard on every swing to get the most out of it, I'll be interested to hear how the Q3 shaft works for you and hope you'll come back and post your results.
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Posted 29 May 2014 - 01:36 AM

Had a Taylormade Driver fitting yesterday at the Celtic Manor resort in Wales UK (hosted the last UK Ryder Cup). Ending up getting the best results with this shaft  (Matrix 6Q3 stiff) and loved the smooth feel and tight dispersion. My club head speed is averages around the 97 mph mark (handicap 7) with my bad shot being a left to right fade /slice. This shaft helped a lot and achieved the best carry, total distance and dispersion in the Jet speed head 9.5 degree. I'd originally went with the idea of buying the SDLR but the beauty of custom fitting showed that this combo was the best by far ! The Jet speed head give great results on off centre strikes which is useful for me as the driver is the danger club in my bag.

I tend to throw my hands in hard (so not the smoothest tempo) which tends to cause a lot of spin and this shaft felt so so stable. I tried the following shafts:

Black tie 6M3 - nice shaft , good feel , lower flight - felt like I was trying too hard with this one but still very good with piercing flight

White Tie 5x3 - felt  slightly less stable at impact (than 6Q3) , higher flight but still very good results

Tour AD 6i - This was my second choice , tight dispersion and great feel but Matrix shaft marginally more stable through impact and numbers again marginally better. Good news as this shaft is  a lot more expensive than the Matrix !

Started fitting process with SDLR head and stock Taylormade speeder shaft 57 then 65 speeder. Tried Jet speed also with stock shafts (matrix) and TP version. Huge difference in terms of where i started as opposed to what I ended up ordering.

Now feeling like a kid waiting for xmas! just hope they deliver it quick !





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Posted 29 May 2014 - 02:34 AM

View Postmikeyboy, on 29 May 2014 - 01:36 AM, said:

Had a Taylormade Driver fitting yesterday at the Celtic Manor resort in Wales UK (hosted the last UK Ryder Cup). Ending up getting the best results with this shaft  (Matrix 6Q3 stiff) and loved the smooth feel and tight dispersion. My club head speed is averages around the 97 mph mark (handicap 7) with my bad shot being a left to right fade /slice. This shaft helped a lot and achieved the best carry, total distance and dispersion in the Jet speed head 9.5 degree. I'd originally went with the idea of buying the SDLR but the beauty of custom fitting showed that this combo was the best by far ! The Jet speed head give great results on off centre strikes which is useful for me as the driver is the danger club in my bag.

I tend to throw my hands in hard (so not the smoothest tempo) which tends to cause a lot of spin and this shaft felt so so stable. I tried the following shafts:

Black tie 6M3 - nice shaft , good feel , lower flight - felt like I was trying too hard with this one but still very good with piercing flight

White Tie 5x3 - felt  slightly less stable at impact (than 6Q3) , higher flight but still very good results

Tour AD 6i - This was my second choice , tight dispersion and great feel but Matrix shaft marginally more stable through impact and numbers again marginally better. Good news as this shaft is  a lot more expensive than the Matrix !

Started fitting process with SDLR head and stock Taylormade speeder shaft 57 then 65 speeder. Tried Jet speed also with stock shafts (matrix) and TP version. Huge difference in terms of where i started as opposed to what I ended up ordering.

Now feeling like a kid waiting for xmas! just hope they deliver it quick !





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Posted 29 May 2014 - 01:29 PM

That is the same shaft and flex I use in my Amp Cell Pro. My SS is 107 with smooth tempo. You should be fine provided yours is also smooth.It's the first Matrix shaft I have ever played, so I have no idea how it compares. I originally planned to sell it but decided to try it out before. Man, did I like the feel!! Not much softer than the S shafts I usually play (GD YS+8.1, NV 95, Whiteboard 80, etc.) I seem to get a little higher traj out of it though, it allows the use of the 7.5* setting for lower spin on windy days. I read the specs and it is lower torque than a lot of the other Matrix shafts. Maybe that's why some say it's bland.

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Posted 29 May 2014 - 04:52 PM

View Postg36man, on 07 March 2013 - 06:51 PM, said:

I have had many matrix shafts in the past and I just recently hit the 6q3 stiff flex the other day and it really didn't remind me of any matrix shaft. I've had multiple HDs,xcons,and played with a f7m2 for awhile and this shaft is not really like any of those to me. It has a very rapid energy transfer like the xcon but it's in a completely different place in the shaft. it's not the old" hinge" that you'd feel with older matrix shafts. That shaft performs great though low spin lowish launch just a weird feel to me, not smooth at all

Would agree, especially compared to the black tie which just feels really harsh to me.

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Posted 29 February 2016 - 01:54 PM

Bumping an old thread with a question. I really like the 6Q3 shaft in my Adams XTD Ti 18* fairway wood. Does the shaft in a driver feel/perform the same? I have read a few reviews where some like them in drivers and some in fairways but nothing saying they use them in both the driver and fairways. Thinking about getting one to try in my Big Bertha Alpha head or just saving the money and use it towards a fitting. Thanks
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Posted 29 February 2016 - 02:35 PM

View PostRacerx63, on 29 February 2016 - 01:54 PM, said:

Bumping an old thread with a question. I really like the 6Q3 shaft in my Adams XTD Ti 18* fairway wood. Does the shaft in a driver feel/perform the same? I have read a few reviews where some like them in drivers and some in fairways but nothing saying they use them in both the driver and fairways. Thinking about getting one to try in my Big Bertha Alpha head or just saving the money and use it towards a fitting. Thanks

Sure, if your tempo is well suited to this shaft and you generally like relatively stout-feeling shafts (The XCaliber in your profile is another_) then there's no reason why it wouldn't work really well in driver. If you're in doubt you can drop down to Strong flex but I wouldn't, just use an untipped X in driver if the one in your 18 is tipped around 1.5".
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Posted 29 February 2016 - 02:49 PM

View PostAwalkspoiled, on 29 February 2016 - 02:35 PM, said:

View PostRacerx63, on 29 February 2016 - 01:54 PM, said:

Bumping an old thread with a question. I really like the 6Q3 shaft in my Adams XTD Ti 18* fairway wood. Does the shaft in a driver feel/perform the same? I have read a few reviews where some like them in drivers and some in fairways but nothing saying they use them in both the driver and fairways. Thinking about getting one to try in my Big Bertha Alpha head or just saving the money and use it towards a fitting. Thanks

Sure, if your tempo is well suited to this shaft and you generally like relatively stout-feeling shafts (The XCaliber in your profile is another_) then there's no reason why it wouldn't work really well in driver. If you're in doubt you can drop down to Strong flex but I wouldn't, just use an untipped X in driver if the one in your 18 is tipped around 1.5".

Thank you for the response. The 4 wood certainly does agree with me so much so that I sometimes will just put the driver away as I am spraying it everywhere and use the 4 wood.. With the Fubuki shaft I feel like I have to really concentrate on being super smooth or it gets out of control. I can get the Red Tie for under $50 so it will be a reasonably cheap experiment if it does not work. The other shaft I am looking at is the Aldila Rogue Silver 110 MSI. Thanks again.
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