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[Swingie]

Man I love watching the drivable par 4 with a nasty green and or big trouble over the back! Its like glue for me anyone else?
It should be manditory to have ONE hole at 290-340 per round setup that way(depending on conditions) for the added excitement and risk management temptations it brings.....not to mention the enticement on sunday as people push for lower scores = fun!

[spitfisher]

I think you will see more of them, but there will be instances with certain tournements that the circus atmosphere or the lag it sometimes causes in the groups to be impractical or disallowed....Augusta for example comes to mind. Or in a layout at some courses, by design it can't be done, Beth Page black for example unless they build new tees.

Personally I would much rather see a hole set up where the ball has to worked drastically or litterally hit over trees, club house or houses in order to reach the green.

[jaskanski]

This kind of thinking is why you have equally daft rulings on grooves.
Why not have a windmill in the fairway to drive through?

[nova6868]

I just like courses that have 1-2 short Par 4s. 300ish range. With a challenging green or lots of hazards/bunkers.  I think it makes for exciting play.

[Willie Malay]

I like the driveable par 4s also. Brings a good element to the game.

[cardoustie]

Augusta should retool a tee box so #3 would be driveable on Sunday

I love short par 4's. So many options and gets you thinking

[Swingie]

spitfisher, on 28 February 2013 - 10:56 AM, said:

I think you will see more of them, but there will be instances with certain tournements that the circus atmosphere or the lag it sometimes causes in the groups to be impractical or disallowed....Augusta for example comes to mind. Or in a layout at some courses, by design it can't be done, Beth Page black for example unless they build new tees.

Personally I would much rather see a hole set up where the ball has to worked drastically or litterally hit over trees, club house or houses in order to reach the green.

Totally what I mean, I didnt mean to imply a hole as mentioned just traight away etc. Just the possibility with risk-reward options.....and teeth on the hole if you miss.

Also agree its not always feasable on some course setups, Id rather see this though than a 363 par 4.....

Edited by Swingie, 28 February 2013 - 11:54 AM.

[hogans71]

spitfisher, on 28 February 2013 - 10:56 AM, said:

I think you will see more of them, but there will be instances with certain tournements that the circus atmosphere or the lag it sometimes causes in the groups to be impractical or disallowed....Augusta for example comes to mind. Or in a layout at some courses, by design it can't be done, Beth Page black for example unless they build new tees.

Personally I would much rather see a hole set up where the ball has to worked drastically or litterally hit over trees, club house or houses in order to reach the green.

Club houses or houses? Really?

[Sooner7x]

hogans71, on 28 February 2013 - 11:53 AM, said:

spitfisher, on 28 February 2013 - 10:56 AM, said:

I think you will see more of them, but there will be instances with certain tournements that the circus atmosphere or the lag it sometimes causes in the groups to be impractical or disallowed....Augusta for example comes to mind. Or in a layout at some courses, by design it can't be done, Beth Page black for example unless they build new tees.

Personally I would much rather see a hole set up where the ball has to worked drastically or litterally hit over trees, club house or houses in order to reach the green.

Club houses or houses? Really?

St andrews you have to hit over a Hotel

[Sooner7x]

Its a neat hole design, if it work no doubt. But each course is different and needs to be unique. not mandate certain hole designs

[Swingie]

Sooner7x, on 28 February 2013 - 12:10 PM, said:

Its a neat hole design, if it work no doubt. But each course is different and needs to be unique. not mandate certain hole designs

Too true, the mandate was tongue in cheek!

[turtleback]

jaskanski, on 28 February 2013 - 10:57 AM, said:

This kind of thinking is why you have equally daft rulings on grooves.
Why not have a windmill in the fairway to drive through?

Yeah, that is definitely not the traditional way to do it.  What were those idiots at St. Andrews thinking of when they made players drive it over the Hotel sign on the Road Hole?

[jaskanski]

turtleback, on 28 February 2013 - 04:03 PM, said:

jaskanski, on 28 February 2013 - 10:57 AM, said:

This kind of thinking is why you have equally daft rulings on grooves.
Why not have a windmill in the fairway to drive through?

Yeah, that is definitely not the traditional way to do it.  What were those idiots at St. Andrews thinking of when they made players drive it over the Hotel sign on the Road Hole?

The course was there a long time before a hotel. Come to think of it, a long time before most things golf related.

[hogans71]

Sooner7x, on 28 February 2013 - 12:08 PM, said:

hogans71, on 28 February 2013 - 11:53 AM, said:

spitfisher, on 28 February 2013 - 10:56 AM, said:

I think you will see more of them, but there will be instances with certain tournements that the circus atmosphere or the lag it sometimes causes in the groups to be impractical or disallowed....Augusta for example comes to mind. Or in a layout at some courses, by design it can't be done, Beth Page black for example unless they build new tees.

Personally I would much rather see a hole set up where the ball has to worked drastically or litterally hit over trees, club house or houses in order to reach the green.

Club houses or houses? Really?

St andrews you have to hit over a Hotel

I'm aware of that as I've played it and, of course, seen it multiple times.

Fact remains you don't HAVE to play over it...

[rekalj]

I like the idea and the excitement it adds however I wouldn't like to see if EVERY week.

[Par-A-Medic]

jaskanski, on 28 February 2013 - 10:57 AM, said:

This kind of thinking is why you have equally daft rulings on grooves.
Why not have a windmill in the fairway to drive through?

My course has a few greens that a windmill and a clown would be welcome on. Especially mid summer during club championship time. Nothing to be on gir and make a double or triple bogey. I keep telling myself they are fair because everyone has to play them!

[spitfisher]

hogans71, on 28 February 2013 - 04:49 PM, said:

Sooner7x, on 28 February 2013 - 12:08 PM, said:

hogans71, on 28 February 2013 - 11:53 AM, said:

spitfisher, on 28 February 2013 - 10:56 AM, said:

I think you will see more of them, but there will be instances with certain tournements that the circus atmosphere or the lag it sometimes causes in the groups to be impractical or disallowed....Augusta for example comes to mind. Or in a layout at some courses, by design it can't be done, Beth Page black for example unless they build new tees.

Personally I would much rather see a hole set up where the ball has to worked drastically or litterally hit over trees, club house or houses in order to reach the green.

Club houses or houses? Really?

St andrews you have to hit over a Hotel

I'm aware of that as I've played it and, of course, seen it multiple times.

Fact remains you don't HAVE to play over it...

  Pat yourself on the back.

[bscinstnct]

There is some course in Westchester, can't remember which one (grappa) but it is a hard dogleg right par 4 with big trees looming over your head to your right of the tee. And the tee is elevated, you can drive straight down a valley and uphill 2nd shot.(boring)

Or

If you look closely at those trees to your right, there is a hole in the foliage, like that shot Phil hit not the Masters one, and you can blast a driver through it and over some woods and a stream and cut it like maybe 260 and onto the green.

Nothing like a driveable par 4.

Edited by bscinstnct, 28 February 2013 - 10:12 PM.

[hogans71]

spitfisher, on 28 February 2013 - 08:55 PM, said:

hogans71, on 28 February 2013 - 04:49 PM, said:

Sooner7x, on 28 February 2013 - 12:08 PM, said:

hogans71, on 28 February 2013 - 11:53 AM, said:

Club houses or houses? Really?

St andrews you have to hit over a Hotel

I'm aware of that as I've played it and, of course, seen it multiple times.

Fact remains you don't HAVE to play over it...

  Pat yourself on the back.

For what? Watching it on TV?

Aren't you the pleasant one..

Edited by hogans71, 28 February 2013 - 10:05 PM.

[northgolf]

I think every par 4 should be driveable and every par 5 should be a 3 wood and a wedge, then you should be able to use your putter like a pool cue to sink your 4' putt.   Who plays golf anymore?

[MtlJeff]

I like drive-able par 4's. I think Mike Davis is a fan aswell as he's utilized them in the US open a few times. I agree though it's better if there is some trouble around the green or something that actually makes it a decision on the tee.

I think it was 17 at Oakmont that was pretty fun to watch. Some very deep bunkers and rough around the green. Everyone went for it and a lot of people made par

[ryancjordan]

My home course has a 231 yard par 4.  It is actually super difficult/fun/challenging and allows you to play it a few different ways.  Great hole.  Don't understand the hate for this idea.

[ryancjordan]

northgolf, on 28 February 2013 - 10:15 PM, said:

I think every par 4 should be driveable and every par 5 should be a 3 wood and a wedge, then you should be able to use your putter like a pool cue to sink your 4' putt.   Who plays golf anymore?

Because why examine what people are actually talking about when you can just create a strawman and beat the crap out of it.  What does having a shorter par 4 have to do with using a pool cue, or this non-golf you seem to imply it is?  You people seem miles more willing to use hyperbole than logic...

[tyarema]

I like the idea as well.

Favorite time by far was watching cosarts as the us open and someone yelled "NICE LAYUP"

[Swingie]

ryancjordan, on 01 March 2013 - 08:20 PM, said:

northgolf, on 28 February 2013 - 10:15 PM, said:

I think every par 4 should be driveable and every par 5 should be a 3 wood and a wedge, then you should be able to use your putter like a pool cue to sink your 4' putt.   Who plays golf anymore?

Because why examine what people are actually talking about when can just create a strawman and beat the crap out of it.  What does having a shorter par 4 have to do with using a pool cue, or this non-golf you seem to imply it is?  You people seem miles more willing to use hyperbole than logic...

Im a viewer, I was just commenting on the more exciting hole layouts I and many others find entertaining. Its cool when its a 317 yd hole and bubba flies it there, Rory runs it up there 20 yrds back and Kuch hits a little 35 yd chip to 2 in.......or Phil goes right into a greenside/shortsided bunker etc. Just an Idea and people get so sarcastic.....

[Golf Shaft Guy]

cardoustie, on 28 February 2013 - 11:21 AM, said:

Augusta should retool a tee box so #3 would be driveable on Sunday

I love short par 4's. So many options and gets you thinking

Agreed.  Love this idea - driveable on Sunday would be awesome!

[The Dane]

Riviera #10 is one of the most exciting holes to watch.  Ever.

[kevcarter]

I remember Tom Weiskopf saying he tries to design a drive-able par 4 on every course he builds. I think it's a great idea as well. #10 at Riviera was fun to watch, I get tired of watching 500 yard par 4's, especially when they have become driver and short iron for the bombers on tour...

[teejaywhy]

The "drivable" par 4 only works when there is the proper balance of risk and reward such that the choice to go for it or not is not always a given.  Too little risk, everyone will go for it, too much risk, no one goes for it.

The better ones are the result of clever design and for certain, not every short par 4 makes for an interesting "drivable" hole.

[kevcarter]

teejaywhy, on 03 March 2013 - 12:01 PM, said:

The "drivable" par 4 only works when there is the proper balance of risk and reward such that the choice to go for it or not is not always a given.  Too little risk, everyone will go for it, too much risk, no one goes for it.

The better ones are the result of clever design and for certain, not every short par 4 makes for an interesting "drivable" hole.

Really? You can't just slap a green out there at about 300 and call it a great hole? :-)