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[78Staff]

Larry, of the LifeonTour Blog, notes more cheating accusations on the lpga, at one of the AU events...  and the year just started...  Same old story, hand signals from parents, and also something new with the umbrella trick, I had not heard of that one.

http://lifeontour.wo...25/two-for-two/

Not confirmed, but Larry, albeit recognizably biased at times, usually has good info in these cases from the loopers still active on tour.  It's been a few weeks so don;t expect any further info, just though it was interesting so soon in the 2013 season.

[retexan599]

Urban myth? Report sounds fishy to me.

[Lornoh]

What is the umbrella trick?  And, why can't the LPGA get this under control?

[all4's]

No he just has a dry sense of humor.  He has sacrificed his career calling out cheating on the LPGA over the years.

[all4's]

Parent stands behind the green with a colored umbrella so their daughter see the line into the green to hit to the right spot.

[station2station]

umbrella trick...  The player still has to hit the shot, and if she had a practice round and a frickin' pin sheet there is no more information a parent with an umbrella can give her.

Done my stint as a parent of a female junior golfer who now plays NCAA golf..  The AJGA says extent of verbal communication a parent can have with their junior is "good shot, nice bird" etc…  We had a situation where the parent was calling out what we were supposed to think was "nice shot" to other players where they were actually coaching their own daughter - but nobody spoke the language so we thought nothing of it until we had an asian friend in our group one event who informed us. The parent was actually using congratulatory timing to give swing tips to their kid!

The asian parents would also give swing advice in their native tongue and disguise it by holding out food as if to say "do you want your sandwich?"  But it doesn't help.  It takes the player out of their element and does far more harm than good.

Early on we were at Callaway junior worlds and the foreign players have to provide proof of age through birth certificate or similar front their home country.  You should see the fakes these parents would bring.  In our 13-14 year age group there was a 180lb fully matured Philippine girl who looked to be 18 and they were passing her off as 14.  The birth certificate looked like they made it at home using "Microsoft Paint."  The girl hit her driver 75 yards past everyone in the field.

Asian junior golf on US soil was cheaters paradise..

Edited by station2station, 28 February 2013 - 10:54 AM.

[Llortamaisey]

I saw the umbrella trick in the 90's when I was a junior golfer. I couldn't believe it was happening because I was young and naïve and didn't understand that stupid people existed. It got so bad that by the 16th hole everyone in the group, except the "umbrella" participants, were crying from laughing so hard at the kid's dad.  If you need someone to point with an umbrella, you're not ready for tournament golf.

[Socrates]

Can't believe that anyone gives this guy the time of day.  Hand signals?  Umbrellas?  There is absolutely no way some no talent parent is going to be giving a Professional player any significant advice (sorry Michelle, it's true).  Heck, they could be holding a sign up that says "Hit it Here" and it would still be useless.  I'm sure it happens, but the parents are just delusional and so is he if believes that it somehow helps the player.  He's just a washed up wannabe caddie whose out of a job and should be ignored.

[rafal]

There's a little bit of pepperturbo in all wrxers.

[Vindog]

That guy is amusing, but kind of a xenophobic weirdo.

What good does the umbrella trick do?  c'mon man

[MileHighClub]

Mr22putt, on 28 February 2013 - 04:02 AM, said:

Is it a coincident that he lives in Mississippi, one of the most racist state.

Did you really have to go here?

[SHIVAN]

Mr22putt, on 28 February 2013 - 04:02 AM, said:

Is it a coincident that he lives in Mississippi, one of the most racist state.

Can't wait to hear about your extensive personal experience with "racist" Mississippi.  Do tell.

[station2station]

Vindog, on 28 February 2013 - 09:53 AM, said:

That guy is amusing, but kind of a xenophobic weirdo.

What good does the umbrella trick do?  c'mon man

Had to look up xenophobic

The umbrella trick is real and occurs - but it does very little but I've actually seen other foreign players ask that the offensing parent be move from behind the green in AJGA level competition.  It does happen but I was surprised to hear that it happens on the LPGA.

There are lots of great asian folks on the tour and in competitive jr. golf.  It's just the few that will do any little thing to get ahead.  Some have an almost unhealthy desire to win from a very young age...much parental involvement.

Competitive junior golf varies little from junior hockey.

[tbowles411]

I've never heard of it or this guy.  Really?

[78Staff]

He was all over the ball switcheroo fiasco last year, among a few other suggested cheating event by certain players and their parents.  Can't confirm or deny, but the guy has good sources.  He's not caddying on tour anymore, so it's all coming from current loopers on tour now.

Anyway, it comes up enough to be believable, in my book.  Hand signals for club selection, instructions/advice in foreign tongue, etc.  As I stated, the umbrella trick was new to me, and not sure how it would help really, but enough people have mentioned it to acknowledge it must exist.

[Vindog]

78Staff, on 28 February 2013 - 01:31 PM, said:

He was all over the ball switcheroo fiasco last year, among a few other suggested cheating event by certain players and their parents.  Can't confirm or deny, but the guy has good sources.  He's not caddying on tour anymore, so it's all coming from current loopers on tour now.

Anyway, it comes up enough to be believable, in my book.  Hand signals for club selection, instructions/advice in foreign tongue, etc.  As I stated, the umbrella trick was new to me, and not sure how it would help really, but enough people have mentioned it to acknowledge it must exist.

What, Bigfoot?

[KYMAR]

Vindog, on 28 February 2013 - 02:55 PM, said:

78Staff, on 28 February 2013 - 01:31 PM, said:

He was all over the ball switcheroo fiasco last year, among a few other suggested cheating event by certain players and their parents.  Can't confirm or deny, but the guy has good sources.  He's not caddying on tour anymore, so it's all coming from current loopers on tour now.

Anyway, it comes up enough to be believable, in my book.  Hand signals for club selection, instructions/advice in foreign tongue, etc.  As I stated, the umbrella trick was new to me, and not sure how it would help really, but enough people have mentioned it to acknowledge it must exist.

What, Bigfoot?

Vin, Vin, Vin. So pedestrian. The proper term is Sasquatch. "Bigfoot"...How 90's.

Edited by KYMAR, 28 February 2013 - 03:11 PM.

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