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[ts511]

I want to double check myself. I see alot of videos on you tube with Dan Whittaker. Is this the same swing that Slicefixer talks about and teaches. It looks like a very nice and simply swing.

[andre112]

Yes very similar.

[TheBigGun]

They are very close, if you're in the UK then you won't go wrong in seeing Dan, he really is a great teacher and really knows his stuff.

[ts511]

Can you name a few Pros on PGA tour that use this type or very similar swing. I am sure they are out there, I just have not noticed.

[TheBigGun]

Manassero and Mahan have a similar swing.

[ts511]

thanks

[ts511]

Is Sean Foley close to this swing?

[Fort Worth Pro]

ts511, on 27 February 2013 - 01:12 PM, said:

Can you name a few Pros on PGA tour that use this type or very similar swing. I am sure they are out there, I just have not noticed.

Along with the aforementioned mahan and manassero, a few more that both use as models include:
Gary woodland
Stuart appleby
Lee Westwood
Nick price
Trevor Immelmann
Zach Johnson
Lee Trevino
George Knudsen
Ken Venturi
Sam Snead
Ben hogan
Sergio Garcia
Jonathan Byrd
Jeff maggert
Anthony Kim
David duval
Martin kaymer
I would expect new tiger
Bill glasson
Jim furyk
Carl petterson
John Peterson
David toms

Sorry for the edit but I thought of a few more that are pretty commonly used

Point is there are a bunch of guys that can fit in with what we all teach(not equating myself with them but we do teach the same things so it feels weird to say they ) and they all look slightly different.

Edited by Fort Worth Pro, 27 February 2013 - 05:01 PM.

[TheBigGun]

Fort Worth Pro, on 27 February 2013 - 04:14 PM, said:

ts511, on 27 February 2013 - 01:12 PM, said:

Can you name a few Pros on PGA tour that use this type or very similar swing. I am sure they are out there, I just have not noticed.

Along with the aforementioned mahan and manassero, a few more that both use as models include:
Gary woodland
Stuart appleby
Lee Westwood
Nick price
Trevor Immelmann
Zach Johnson
Lee Trevino
George Knudsen
Ken Venturi
Sam Snead
Ben hogan
Sergio Garcia
Jonathan Byrd
Jeff maggert
Anthony Kim
David duval
Martin kaymer
I would expect new tiger
Bill glasson


Point is there are a bunch of guys that can fit in with what we all teach(not equating myself with them but we do teach the same things so it feels weird to say they ) and they all look slightly different.

Good list. I guess Hogan should go top of the list really! Kim is someone else I like to look at, in fact I had him up on V1 about 10 mins ago!

[SunkTheBirdie]

ts511, on 27 February 2013 - 02:06 PM, said:

Is Sean Foley close to this swing?  

Not really.
He's more stack and tilt.

[rocker40]

TheBigGun, on 27 February 2013 - 04:36 PM, said:

Fort Worth Pro, on 27 February 2013 - 04:14 PM, said:

ts511, on 27 February 2013 - 01:12 PM, said:

Can you name a few Pros on PGA tour that use this type or very similar swing. I am sure they are out there, I just have not noticed.

Along with the aforementioned mahan and manassero, a few more that both use as models include:
Gary woodland
Stuart appleby
Lee Westwood
Nick price
Trevor Immelmann
Zach Johnson
Lee Trevino
George Knudsen
Ken Venturi
Sam Snead
Ben hogan
Sergio Garcia
Jonathan Byrd
Jeff maggert
Anthony Kim
David duval
Martin kaymer
I would expect new tiger
Bill glasson


Point is there are a bunch of guys that can fit in with what we all teach(not equating myself with them but we do teach the same things so it feels weird to say they ) and they all look slightly different.

Good list. I guess Hogan should go top of the list really! Kim is someone else I like to look at, in fact I had him up on V1 about 10 mins ago!

Not Jason Dufner?

[Fort Worth Pro]

rocker40, on 27 February 2013 - 06:20 PM, said:

TheBigGun, on 27 February 2013 - 04:36 PM, said:

Fort Worth Pro, on 27 February 2013 - 04:14 PM, said:

ts511, on 27 February 2013 - 01:12 PM, said:

Can you name a few Pros on PGA tour that use this type or very similar swing. I am sure they are out there, I just have not noticed.

Along with the aforementioned mahan and manassero, a few more that both use as models include:
Gary woodland
Stuart appleby
Lee Westwood
Nick price
Trevor Immelmann
Zach Johnson
Lee Trevino
George Knudsen
Ken Venturi
Sam Snead
Ben hogan
Sergio Garcia
Jonathan Byrd
Jeff maggert
Anthony Kim
David duval
Martin kaymer
I would expect new tiger
Bill glasson


Point is there are a bunch of guys that can fit in with what we all teach(not equating myself with them but we do teach the same things so it feels weird to say they ) and they all look slightly different.

Good list. I guess Hogan should go top of the list really! Kim is someone else I like to look at, in fact I had him up on V1 about 10 mins ago!

Not Jason Dufner?

Absolutely. He just slipped my mind. Don't know why. Great swing

[iteachgolf]

SunkTheBirdie, on 27 February 2013 - 06:08 PM, said:

ts511, on 27 February 2013 - 02:06 PM, said:

Is Sean Foley close to this swing?  

Not really.
He's more stack and tilt.

Foley isn't Stack and Tilt.

[SunkTheBirdie]

iteachgolf, on 27 February 2013 - 06:55 PM, said:

Foley isn't Stack and Tilt.

I have both DVDs.
There are many common elements.
I said Foley isn't slicefixer .. he MORE stack and tilt.
Not Foley == Stack and Tilt.

Edited by SunkTheBirdie, 27 February 2013 - 07:03 PM.

[GoogleMe]

SunkTheBirdie, on 27 February 2013 - 07:01 PM, said:

iteachgolf, on 27 February 2013 - 06:55 PM, said:

Foley isn't Stack and Tilt.

I have both DVDs.
There are many common elements.
I said Foley isn't slicefixer .. he MORE stack and tilt.

I think opposite.

[iteachgolf]

SunkTheBirdie, on 27 February 2013 - 07:01 PM, said:

iteachgolf, on 27 February 2013 - 06:55 PM, said:

Foley isn't Stack and Tilt.

I have both DVDs.
There are many common elements.
I said Foley isn't slicefixer .. he MORE stack and tilt.

And there are just as many if not more differences.  And I'm not basing it on a DVD.  You made a very broad statement that isn't accurate.   Hell what Geoff teaches has a lot of similarities to S&T.  All teach different things.

[SunkTheBirdie]

Here's a more in depth Foley vs Stack and Tilt comparison.
I have the original article somewhere.
http://www.golfdiges...ean-foley#intro

[SunkTheBirdie]

iteachgolf, on 27 February 2013 - 07:08 PM, said:

Everything and every swing is different.

I think it's common courtesy that if you criticize an answer to a question .. you should answer it better yourself.

[iteachgolf]

SunkTheBirdie, on 27 February 2013 - 07:13 PM, said:

Here's a more in depth Foley vs Stack and Tilt comparison.
I have the original article somewhere.
http://www.golfdiges...ean-foley#intro

Again I don't need an article. I KNOW Andy Plummer, Mike Bennett, and Sean Foley.   I have been around all three probably more than almost anyone and have watched them all teach probably over 100 hours to both average golfers and tour players.   Not only what they teach but how they teach is VERY different.  Everyone being discussed are very capable teachers with a track record of success doing it very different ways.

[Hstead]

I have seen Foley discuss the differences in opinion he has with S & T.  He definitely does not consider himself S & T.  If anyone would know, Dan would know.  All three prefer a centered pivot, but the way to pivot is different for all three.

http://golfactory.ne...y-vs-stack-tilt

Edited by Hstead, 27 February 2013 - 07:41 PM.

[iteachgolf]

SunkTheBirdie, on 27 February 2013 - 07:17 PM, said:

iteachgolf, on 27 February 2013 - 07:08 PM, said:

Everything and every swing is different.

I think it's common courtesy that if you criticize an answer to a question .. you should answer it better yourself.

I think I answered it pretty clearly.  I didn't say anything negative or rude.  I state things very matter of fact, no grey area  I think its way more courteous if you're going to quote someone not to change what they said in said quote.

[all4's]

I would love to hear more about the differences between what Dan teaches and what Geoff teaches.  I've heard a million references to "subtle" differences, but I can't identify them after almost 2 years of reading everything and watching every video I can find.

Can anyone describe these subtle differences?

[TheBigGun]

all4, on 27 February 2013 - 08:05 PM, said:

I would love to hear more about the differences between what Dan teaches and what Geoff teaches.  I've heard a million references to "subtle" differences, but I can't identify them after almost 2 years of reading everything and watching every video I can find.

Can anyone describe these subtle differences?

I "think" that Dan may promote a little more lateral motion in the transition but would not want to answer for him, that's just my observation and understanding of what he has showed me during lessons. There is always a danger that he is showing me these things as I was to spinny at the time though, but again I'd say Dans model students have a bit more lateral than Geoffs.

[Fort Worth Pro]

all4, on 27 February 2013 - 08:05 PM, said:

I would love to hear more about the differences between what Dan teaches and what Geoff teaches.  I've heard a million references to "subtle" differences, but I can't identify them after almost 2 years of reading everything and watching every video I can find.

Can anyone describe these subtle differences?

they have a difference in style and substance(the following is all generalities)  in style geoff looks at video longer and wants to make sure that you understand the concept and theory where dan is going to look at video tell you what he sees and go get to work on getting the feel he wants.

in substance,(remember, all of this is very general) the setup is SLIGHTLY different. geoff wants slightly more weight left and Dan teaches a slightly bigger reverse k with more tilt and more weight right. therefore Dan emphasizes the lateral component of the transition more than Geoff.  very similar but there are some subtle differences. there would probably be a couple more if I really sat and thought about some details but that is the biggest for sure.

[all4's]

The more exaggerated reverse K is something I noticed but wasn't positive if that was just my misinterpretation.  Very helpful info.

[ts511]

I took what I learned from the Videos of Dan Whittaker, to the range yesterday. First time I swung the club thinking of his principles and setup. Practice swings made some great looking divots, good size, straight down target line. I topped the first two balls, after that I hit the sweet spot 90% of the time. It felt good. I hit the driver, ball was a little lower flight than I would have liked, but I am hitting the ball hard. I took some 9 to 3 swings, hit the ball flush. I really feel like maybe I get some constancy with this swing. Before I was moving laterally back on the back swing. Took lesson at Hank Haney golf ranch in Texas, that what the instructor told me to do. Before I seemed to hit it great on the range, I can Draw it, Hook it, Fade it, or Slice it at will. On the course I hit about every third shot the way I want to. I am exited about this swing. I saw on Dan's web site he does internet lesson, has anyone done any of that? Thanks for any input.

[TheBigGun]

ts511, on 28 February 2013 - 08:14 AM, said:

I took what I learned from the Videos of Dan Whittaker, to the range yesterday. First time I swung the club thinking of his principles and setup. Practice swings made some great looking divots, good size, straight down target line. I topped the first two balls, after that I hit the sweet spot 90% of the time. It felt good. I hit the driver, ball was a little lower flight than I would have liked, but I am hitting the ball hard. I took some 9 to 3 swings, hit the ball flush. I really feel like maybe I get some constancy with this swing. Before I was moving laterally back on the back swing. Took lesson at Hank Haney golf ranch in Texas, that what the instructor told me to do. Before I seemed to hit it great on the range, I can Draw it, Hook it, Fade it, or Slice it at will. On the course I hit about every third shot the way I want to. I am exited about this swing. I saw on Dan's web site he does internet lesson, has anyone done any of that? Thanks for any input.

I haven't had an internet lesson but there are some on Youtube that he has done for others and they are a great assessment of your swing, where you're at and what to work on. It's obviously relying on you getting good footage for him to work with though.

[TheBigGun]

ryanandrew_golf, on 28 February 2013 - 09:08 AM, said:

all4, on 27 February 2013 - 08:05 PM, said:

I would love to hear more about the differences between what Dan teaches and what Geoff teaches.  I've heard a million references to "subtle" differences, but I can't identify them after almost 2 years of reading everything and watching every video I can find.

Can anyone describe these subtle differences?

I've worked with both of them (Geoff in highschool and Dan now).
The difference is that Geoff teaches a method and Dan does not. It's more than a subtle difference in my opinion.

My experience is that Dan very much teaches a method, and from the look of his long term students it's very similar to Geoff's.

[Fort Worth Pro]

ryanandrew_golf, on 28 February 2013 - 09:08 AM, said:

all4, on 27 February 2013 - 08:05 PM, said:

I would love to hear more about the differences between what Dan teaches and what Geoff teaches.  I've heard a million references to "subtle" differences, but I can't identify them after almost 2 years of reading everything and watching every video I can find.

Can anyone describe these subtle differences?

I've worked with both of them (Geoff in highschool and Dan now).
The difference is that Geoff teaches a method and Dan does not. It's more than a subtle difference in my opinion.

I have probably spent more time with both of them than anyone and I very respectfully disagree. They both have the theory of removing excess motion. Get rid of compensating moves as much as possible so the body can be it's most efficient in producing the best possible impact conditions. They very much go about that goal in a very similar manner.

[lv_2_hack]

TheBigGun, on 28 February 2013 - 09:15 AM, said:

ryanandrew_golf, on 28 February 2013 - 09:08 AM, said:

I would love to hear more about the differences between what Dan teaches and what Geoff teaches.  I've heard a million references to "subtle" differences, but I can't identify them after almost 2 years of reading everything and watching every video I can find.

Can anyone describe these subtle differences?

I've worked with both of them (Geoff in highschool and Dan now).
The difference is that Geoff teaches a method and Dan does not. It's more than a subtle difference in my opinion.

Well it's my understanding that Dan learned everything he knows FROM Geoff. He might have adjusted it a bit along the way, but Dan teaches Geoff's set of beliefs IE set up, pivot, arm swing, plane, etc.