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[jabrch]

Anyone ever use these?  Counter weighted grips?  Saw a coupon for a free grip/installation - so I may just bring in my driver to try it.  If I don't like the feel, I was going to regrip my whole set with GP Tour Wraps anyhow...

[wkbird]

I tried them out at the PGA show. Hard to make a determination with 8-10 swings, but I was intrigued in a positive way.

[Newc]

I just saw these the other day.  I too am interested in some feedback in anyone has any.  At $17 per grip I would hope they would make a significant impact.

[Rock Chalk Jayhawk]

They're endorsed by Jack, so take it for what you will.

[jabrch]

I got a free one on Boccieri's website - am going to have it put on my driver to test.  Not sure I could justify going to a full set of these things at that price...but it's a good way to keep me off the BST and to not buy a set of G20s like I want.

[Swingie]

Just gave my backup club to GG to install and try this weekend and will update!

[Directvtechguy]

Been playin one of their putters for years... B1M... Basically a billy club you putt with.... The counter weighting is nice.. Just not entirely for sure that a driver is the place Id want it

[HoMStYLz]

If you like your clubs to be counter balanced it seems to me like it would be smarter to get the Balance Certified weights. Yes it is a little more expensive but they can me removed & reused everytime you regrip your clubs, with the grips once it's worn the weight goes in the trash too. I think in the long term you'd save money, plus you could use them on any grip you desired.

[yumanike]

OK, here is a stupid question. They say the grip is 1" longer. Does that mean if I throw it on my 37.5" 6 iron, the 6 iron will now be 38.5", or does that mean my 6 iron will still be 37.5" and the grip will just extend 1" more down the shaft? I really hope it is the latter.

[proquick72]

It's the latter. The grip just goes further down the shaft

[DaveMac]

yumanike, on 15 March 2013 - 07:05 AM, said:

OK, here is a stupid question. They say the grip is 1" longer. Does that mean if I throw it on my 37.5" 6 iron, the 6 iron will now be 38.5", or does that mean my 6 iron will still be 37.5" and the grip will just extend 1" more down the shaft? I really hope it is the latter.

No the grip just extends down the shaft more.

[northlake]

I had one installed this week on my driver and played a round yesterday.  Plus had a couple of sessions on the range.  Haven't noticed any difference performance wise.  I do believe that it feels harder than the Lampkin 3Gen that I have installed on my other clubs.  Probably will replace it if I do not see any difference after a couple of more rounds.

[cradd10]

yumanike, on 15 March 2013 - 07:05 AM, said:

OK, here is a stupid question. They say the grip is 1" longer. Does that mean if I throw it on my 37.5" 6 iron, the 6 iron will now be 38.5", or does that mean my 6 iron will still be 37.5" and the grip will just extend 1" more down the shaft? I really hope it is the latter.

Remember, there is no such thing as a stupid question....just stupid people    lol

[Marks23]

I am having great luck with my secret grip on a rapture V2.  Seem to be finding more distance off the tee.  May be the result of having an easier time making consistent contact with the sweet spot.  I don't know why these work for me  but love getting to the tee!

[10of14]

Holy cow, can you say weight problem?  Did I read it is like 90g?  You have to have your clubs recalibrated if that is the case.  I do like the lower half build up...makes a lot of sense, but you can do it with extra tape under the lower half of your current grip.

Edited by 10of14, 15 March 2013 - 07:07 PM.

[yumanike]

Ok, what I'm about to write reveals just how deep my crazy goes, but I wanted to share my experience. First, a little back ground. I currently have the Tour Lock 40g in my driver and putter and the 20g in my 3 wood. I like how it seems to help me drop the club into the slot on my longer clubs and quiets my hands on my putter. When I saw this giveaway, I figured I would try counter weighting on my irons. I didn't want to put it on my actual 7 iron in case I didn't like it and I felt it would throw of my other irons. So, I put the Secret Grip on my Tour Striker Pro 7 iron.

I hit it on the simulator on Saturday and I loved it! I feel the club much better and I just feel like I'm striking it better. The distance, launch, ball speed, etc. were about the same as my regular 7 iron, but the Tour Striker just felt better. My guess is that it will help with my dispersion. Now I would like to do the rest of my irons, but I want some options, so I was going to go with the Tour Lock. I had the Tour Striker measured for swing weight and it came out as C5.5. I'm guessing it is normally D2 or something, but feel free to correct me. My current irons are at D3.5, so the club maker measured my current 7 iron with the 20g and 40g weights I had on hand and said I needed something around 30g. So, I'm going to get the 30g and try all three out to see how it feels. I bought an additional 6 iron for my iron set so that I could use it for testing. I'll figure out which weight feels best and then use that for the irons and wedges.

Also, any idea on how many wraps under the right hand to simulate the Secret Grip? I'm new to all of this stuff.

[defaultoprime]

I had the free grip put on my SuperFast... the balance point moved six inches and the club feels totally different... changed the swing weight from D-8 to a C4... I haven't swung it yet though because I managed to pull a ribcage muscle... no golf for me for another couple/few weeks... but I have high hopes...

One of the things that Jack Nicklaus said about it which intrigued me is that he felt it made shafts play stiffer than they actually were... it apparently made whippy shafts play to his liking... The SuperFast has a (long) R shaft, which I usually have difficulties with... So we'll see what happens... in a few weeks...

[DNice26]

defaultoprime, on 25 March 2013 - 05:09 PM, said:

I had the free grip put on my SuperFast... the balance point moved six inches and the club feels totally different... changed the swing weight from D-8 to a C4... I haven't swung it yet though because I managed to pull a ribcage muscle... no golf for me for another couple/few weeks... but I have high hopes...

One of the things that Jack Nicklaus said about it which intrigued me is that he felt it made shafts play stiffer than they actually were... it apparently made whippy shafts play to his liking... The SuperFast has a (long) R shaft, which I usually have difficulties with... So we'll see what happens... in a few weeks...

D8 to C4?  Interesting.  Had my G25 kiyoshi weighed and it was D7 with a normal grip and then C9 with the secret.  Your jump seems quite large....

[defaultoprime]

To be honest, I didn't weigh it before I switched the grip... I found it's swing-weight online... since it was a stock club, I figured it was close enough to the truth...

Two things possibly... the stock shaft on the SF is 46.5 inches... how long is your kiyoshi?

The other thing is that it came stock with a horrible 25 gram Wynn super-light grip... With that alone, you have a net 67 gram shift to the back-end of the club...

Edited by defaultoprime, 25 March 2013 - 05:35 PM.

[DNice26]

My kiyoshi is 45".   Your club was most likely around D2 before the switch.

[defaultoprime]

That's certainly possible...

[TMelectric]

I went to Dicks Sporting Goods the other day with two coupons. No one there knew anything about the promotion. I showed them the grip and coupons and walked out with one on my driver and one on my 7-iron.

Two range sessions with 45 degree weather and windy conditions:

My driver is a Ping Anser 10.5 with TFC stiff shaft. I am a decent hitter with this driver. The only difference I can tell is more so with the feel and it did seam my flight was a little lower. I was hitting to my normal spots on the range but it was windy (blowing in my face). The feel was more of a muted feel. Not bad, just different.

My 7-iron I used is a Mizuno MP-32 blade. Here is where I found a huge improvement. It did make my tempo better. I felt like I was swinging easier with this club BUT I was hitting this club now longer than I hit my 6-iron. My normal distance with this 7-iron is around 155 yds. I bought these irons about one month ago and have about 4 rounds and 6 range sessions with them all in 40-50 degree weather. The 155 yds is my normal distance with this temp. 165 yds with my 6-iron. I am hitting my 7-iron now 170 yds. into the wind. My 6-iron was only going 155-160 yds. On both days!! Where the flag was on the green lasered out at 176 yds with my range finder. I had several land past the flag.

I feel like the weight in the back has made be a smoother, better ball stricker. If I continue with these distance this weekend when the temps will be around 60 degrees, I will run to Dicks Sporting Goods and have them all gripped with the Secret Grip. I feel that strongly about this grip so far.

[Ajlepisto]

So here's a question.

Is it the grip, or is it the swingweight change, that is making it feel better?

I ask, because everyone here seems to like heavy clubs...but reading responses to this grip, people seem to actually prefer the lighter swingweight.

I went down to a D2 swingweight with 105gram shafts and I really, really like it. My wedges feel weird, now.

[miles2go]

I ordered a single grip from Boccieri and tried it on a 6 iron with DG X100 shaft. Played it for 3 or 4 range sessions and 2 rounds of golf.  Swing weight went from D2 to C4,   It definitely forced a swing change to accommodate the weight and balance change, but I can't really say that change was an improvement.  Final verdict was that the club was just too heavy for me with that grip.  By the end of a round I was having trouble swinging it.  If I tried it again, it would be with a much lighter shaft.

[BallzOut]

I've been using the Tour Lock Pro weight system for years now... Here's the deal... When you install 40g weights into a standard shaft it will increase the weight and decrease the SW. Thats obvious! Its fine if you want a standard shaft to weigh out at 165g... Thats QUITE heavy in over all weight. Every 5g in butt weight usually = -1 SW... I've messed around a bit and have found that if I start with a light shaft like a 95g shaft, then add the weights to the end, it brings the total weight to around 135g a normal full weight and makes the head very light... This allows the player a greater swing speed while using the counter balance and not increasing the overall weight of the club... The lighter starting shaft will lower the SW on its own, but the added weight in the butt will make the club "feel" correct, and you will get the added benifits... Is this cheap? Nope... New shafts, new grips, + Tour lock weights... Does it feel better, IMHO, absolutely. I added 1.5 club distance through my set 9-3i, and leave the standard shafts in my P-LW with the Weight in the grip to give a heavy feel to my short game clubs... The Secret Grip may lower the cost as it combines the weight and grip together, it wont give you any flexability in weight choices and to use this system properly, remember you will need lighter shafts to start with.... A good idea, but if it's not used correctly it wont help at all... Also keep this in mind.. Jacks clubs were hand made and hand ground by Master Grinder Don White... That helps when you're looking to get your clubs to "feel" more balanced ...

[RJfisher]

TMelectric, on 26 March 2013 - 07:28 PM, said:

My 7-iron I used is a Mizuno MP-32 blade. Here is where I found a huge improvement. It did make my tempo better.

What shaft do you have in your Mizzy's?

I had one installed in a Titleist 690.CB 7 iron w/ Px Rifle 6.0, and noticed a huge improvement. My 7i is normally about 150yds, but with the Secret Grip I was hitting that distance with a 9-3 swing dead straight almost every time, and about 165yds when I went after it. Big increase in the number of center strikes and pretty much eliminated my occasional snap hook mishit.  

The cost is too high for my tastes considering they wear out at the normal rate.  I'd love to see a "Poor Man's DIY Guide" involving clevis pins or something similar that produces the same back-weighting and taper of the Secret Grip, but at a significantly lower cost.

[yumanike]

RJfisher, on 27 March 2013 - 12:09 PM, said:

TMelectric, on 26 March 2013 - 07:28 PM, said:

My 7-iron I used is a Mizuno MP-32 blade. Here is where I found a huge improvement. It did make my tempo better.

What shaft do you have in your Mizzy's?

I had one installed in a Titleist 690.CB 7 iron w/ Px Rifle 6.0, and noticed a huge improvement. My 7i is normally about 150yds, but with the Secret Grip I was hitting that distance with a 9-3 swing dead straight almost every time, and about 165yds when I went after it. Big increase in the number of center strikes and pretty much eliminated my occasional snap hook mishit.  

The cost is too high for my tastes considering they wear out at the normal rate.  I'd love to see a "Poor Man's DIY Guide" involving clevis pins or something similar that produces the same back-weighting and taper of the Secret Grip, but at a significantly lower cost.

How about this to start. Please feel free to correct any errors you find.

I'm going to try this with Tour Lock weights. I will test 20g, 30g, and 40g in my 6 iron and any others if none of these feel right. I put one on the Tour Striker and that made it a C5.5 and to get my X-16PS with Rifle 6.0 shafts to that weight (from D3.5), I was told I would need around a 30g weight. I'm guessing 4 wraps under the right hand of the grip?

The price of admission will be similar ($7 to $9 for each Tour Lock and around $10 for each new grip when I get one) however, once I figure this out, I will only need to change out grips and I can move the Tour Locks between clubs or just take them out, redrill, and put them back in if it is the same set of irons.

Clevis pins will also work once you find out which one equals which weight and what is most comfortable for you.

[TMelectric]

RJfisher, on 27 March 2013 - 12:09 PM, said:

TMelectric, on 26 March 2013 - 07:28 PM, said:

My 7-iron I used is a Mizuno MP-32 blade. Here is where I found a huge improvement. It did make my tempo better.

What shaft do you have in your Mizzy's?

I had one installed in a Titleist 690.CB 7 iron w/ Px Rifle 6.0, and noticed a huge improvement. My 7i is normally about 150yds, but with the Secret Grip I was hitting that distance with a 9-3 swing dead straight almost every time, and about 165yds when I went after it. Big increase in the number of center strikes and pretty much eliminated my occasional snap hook mishit.  

The cost is too high for my tastes considering they wear out at the normal rate.  I'd love to see a "Poor Man's DIY Guide" involving clevis pins or something similar that produces the same back-weighting and taper of the Secret Grip, but at a significantly lower cost.

I have the Rifle FCM 5.5. Not sure the weight of the shaft. I just feel more stable now and can swing harder.

I stopped by my club fitter and asked him about backweighting. He suggested getting a lag bolt as a cheap solution. This way you can play around with different weights. Sccrew a lag bolt into the grip. Try a longer one because it would be heavier until you find the right weight. All it would cost is the cost of a grip if it doesn't work out

Edited by TMelectric, 27 March 2013 - 02:07 PM.

[DNice26]

TMelectric, on 27 March 2013 - 02:04 PM, said:

RJfisher, on 27 March 2013 - 12:09 PM, said:

TMelectric, on 26 March 2013 - 07:28 PM, said:

My 7-iron I used is a Mizuno MP-32 blade. Here is where I found a huge improvement. It did make my tempo better.

What shaft do you have in your Mizzy's?

I had one installed in a Titleist 690.CB 7 iron w/ Px Rifle 6.0, and noticed a huge improvement. My 7i is normally about 150yds, but with the Secret Grip I was hitting that distance with a 9-3 swing dead straight almost every time, and about 165yds when I went after it. Big increase in the number of center strikes and pretty much eliminated my occasional snap hook mishit.  

The cost is too high for my tastes considering they wear out at the normal rate.  I'd love to see a "Poor Man's DIY Guide" involving clevis pins or something similar that produces the same back-weighting and taper of the Secret Grip, but at a significantly lower cost.

I have the Rifle FCM 5.5. Not sure the weight of the shaft. I just feel more stable now and can swing harder.

I stopped by my club fitter and asked him about backweighting. He suggested getting a lag bolt as a cheap solution. This way you can play around with different weights. Sccrew a lag bolt into the grip. Try a longer one because it would be heavier until you find the right weight. All it would cost is the cost of a grip if it doesn't work out

Nice idea....   I'm thinking about doing this.  Calling all Tour Lock pros....what is your experience through your set?  What weights?  Same weight in all clubs?

[Sweet]

HoMStYLz, on 07 March 2013 - 02:36 AM, said:

If you like your clubs to be counter balanced it seems to me like it would be smarter to get the Balance Certified weights. Yes it is a little more expensive but they can me removed & reused everytime you regrip your clubs, with the grips once it's worn the weight goes in the trash too. I think in the long term you'd save money, plus you could use them on any grip you desired.

Agree with this totally...not only that but you can then move the weights from one set to another.