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#1 geaux.golf

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Posted 15 February 2013 - 11:20 PM

Has anyone here weighed the head with a 10 and 1 gram weight and the sleeve mounted in it ? I had one today that was being worked on and mine weighed 213 grams ???? Anyone else??


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Posted 15 February 2013 - 11:30 PM

212 +/- is what I've read in a specs.

So ya pretty normal.

Bonus is, a 75gr shaft can play short and swingweight ok.  If you play lightweight, it works at D4 and 45.5"

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 01:29 AM

View PostFatz, on 15 February 2013 - 11:30 PM, said:

212 +/- is what I've read in a specs.

So ya pretty normal.

Bonus is, a 75gr shaft can play short and swingweight ok.  If you play lightweight, it works at D4 and 45.5"

Not sure what shaft you have in but my 7.2 speeder TS at 45.5 plays an E1.....

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Posted 16 February 2013 - 08:42 AM

Well I am going to be using a oban kiyoshi white 75g. I had the head hotmelted with 6 grams of hot melt so I believe I am gonna pull the 10 gram weight for a 1 or 2

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 08:37 AM

I will weight mine in a couple days when it arrives. I am playing a Speeder TS 6.2 at 45". I need to take it in and see so I can have a baseline SW to work from.

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 08:50 AM

Mine is 203 no sleeve

Put a 6.2 VC in it @ 45" and based on a SW calculator online it is D-6

323 total grams and just over 33.50" balance point

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Posted 18 February 2013 - 08:53 AM

View PostTMBob, on 18 February 2013 - 08:50 AM, said:

Mine is 203 no sleeve

Put a 6.2 VC in it @ 45" and based on a SW calculator online it is D-6

323 total grams and just over 33.50" balance point
Good stuff Bob. Thanks. Did I read one of your posts that you were bombing that setup?
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Posted 18 February 2013 - 09:09 AM

View PostOspreyCI, on 18 February 2013 - 08:53 AM, said:

View PostTMBob, on 18 February 2013 - 08:50 AM, said:

Mine is 203 no sleeve

Put a 6.2 VC in it @ 45" and based on a SW calculator online it is D-6

323 total grams and just over 33.50" balance point
Good stuff Bob. Thanks. Did I read one of your posts that you were bombing that setup?

I hit it well yesterday for sure....it looked better then it turned out, meaning that shot shape was perfect to my eye. It seems to have more hang time, but in reality some were longer and some wear not compared to my R11s DI 6 which specs out at 319 grams, 199 head, just under 33.50" balance point at 45" and D-3.

It was a Hmmmm type of day for me...by the way, I have a Stage Two sleeve in mine set at N...guessing about 9.5 loft



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Posted 18 February 2013 - 09:37 AM

I got an R1 TP  sleeve being installed today. Head should be here on Thursday.  I am looking to initially set it up at 10 or higher so this low spin combo can hit it higher with less spin than my RBZ Tour setup. I guess we'll see.. Thanks for the inputs.
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Posted 21 March 2013 - 05:12 PM

http://www.golfwrx.c...wingweight-wow/



Just got a R1 head in and on my SW scale it was 205.....  another scale said 208grams.
I am not sure if the RBZ S2 and Tour models weigh the same, but probably close.

I weighed mine with the 10/1 gram weights and no shaft adapter.

Just plugged in a R1 adapter and added a Fubuki K 60X shaft (66grams at 46") total length in driver is 44.75".
Checked swingweight and D8!  WHAT?

Removed both heel and toe weights and SW about D1.5.
If I lengthen to 45.5" or + 3/4" that will put the SW at about D5.5 with no weights!    :angry:

Why is TM listing these at D4 @ 45.5"?

Did TM screw up and not telling us about this as this does not equate with what they are saying on their web site!  What good is a head if you cannot adjust the weights as intended?


NOW WE KNOW THE REAL REASON FOR THE R1 V2 & V3 lighter heads!!!  The V1 is too damn heavy for proper swingweighting.  How is this fixed?

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 05:51 PM

http://www.golfwrx.c...made-r1-driver/

"We tested an R1 and R11S with the same specs on TrackMan. Both drivers had UST Mamiya VTS TourSPX 75X Red shafts (installed straight in), and were 45.5 inches long with swing weights of D6 (the R1's standard swing weight is D4). Prior to testing, I hit both drivers to find the most optimal loft/face angle setting. After the drivers were tuned, I hit 15 shots with each club and compared the three shots that were most similar in smash factor, swing speed and dispersion."

How are they able to get D6 with a 45.5" driver? Especially with the 10/1 grams weights in the head.  I can understand the D6 due to the heavier than std. shaft.  But for mine above at 45.5" with the weights in the head it would be ~E4!!

Is TM dumping heavy heads on the market?  My R1 head came from a verifiable seller on ebay.

What's up that I am missing here... :)


I have another R1 being built at TM due in about 3 weeks...it will be interesting to see how it SW out...AD DI-7x shaft @ 75grams.  I hope it is about D6 like in the article above.  That would tell me TM is dumping some out of spec heads on the market...and they become SW heavy.

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 06:09 PM

Hey Bob, don't want to say "I TOLD YOU SO".............. BUT !!!!

PS  Stage 2 Tour weighs same as R1 head.  From what I understand Stage 2 Tour is virtually and R1 head (weight, MOI, etc) in a Stage 2 body.

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Posted 21 March 2013 - 06:14 PM

View PostG-Bone, on 21 March 2013 - 06:09 PM, said:

Hey Bob, don't want to say "I TOLD YOU SO".............. BUT !!!!

PS  Stage 2 Tour weighs same as R1 head.  From what I understand Stage 2 Tour is virtually and R1 head (weight, MOI, etc) in a Stage 2 body.


What I don't understand is how in the above article did they get one at D6 @ 45.5" with a 75g weight shaft?
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Posted 21 March 2013 - 06:19 PM

View PostBirdieBob, on 21 March 2013 - 06:14 PM, said:

View PostG-Bone, on 21 March 2013 - 06:09 PM, said:

Hey Bob, don't want to say "I TOLD YOU SO".............. BUT !!!!

PS  Stage 2 Tour weighs same as R1 head.  From what I understand Stage 2 Tour is virtually and R1 head (weight, MOI, etc) in a Stage 2 body.


What I don't understand is how in the above article did they get one at D6 @ 45.5" with a 75g weight shaft?

Agreed, my friend.  I have been doing swing weight math for many moons, and when given the proper data, the math always works.

I think in this case using TaylorMade's data it's the good old programers philosophy of "garbage in, garbage out."  Can't do swing weight math with bad data and expect to get good results. ;)
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Posted 23 March 2013 - 05:46 PM

TM R1 V1 Build

R1V1 with 10g/1g heel/toe weights = 205g
Adapter - 5.8g
Fubuki K 60X = 66g @46"
Golf Pride Whiteout/black grip with 2 extra wraps (+ 1/32")

Total Length of R1 = 45.25"
Total Weight of R1 = 335g

Swingweight @ 10g/1g heel/toe = D9
Swingweight @ 2g/1g heel/toe = D4.5

The Fubuki shaft was used but clean inside; grip was removed and reinstalled with a +1/2" ultralight extension.


I plan to try another shaft on Monday.........

Graphite Design Tour AD-BB 6X
at about the same length to see if any difference in Swingweight.


Higher low end weight distribution may be the reason why some shafts don't work so well in the R1 and RBZ S2.  Other shafts that don't have that profile may offer a better chance at finding a SW in the normal range.

In addition to the AD-BB 6X coming Monday, I also have a TM built AD-DI 7X coming in about a week and half.  They will be trying to get a D4 @ 45.5"!

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Posted 23 March 2013 - 08:27 PM

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View PostBirdieBob, on 23 March 2013 - 05:46 PM, said:

TM R1 V1 Build

R1V1 with 10g/1g heel/toe weights = 205g
Adapter - 5.8g
Fubuki K 60X = 66g @46"
Golf Pride Whiteout/black grip with 2 extra wraps (+ 1/32")

Total Length of R1 = 45.25"
Total Weight of R1 = 335g

Swingweight @ 10g/1g heel/toe = D9
Swingweight @ 2g/1g heel/toe = D4.5

The Fubuki shaft was used but clean inside; grip was removed and reinstalled with a +1/2" ultralight extension.


I plan to try another grip on Monday.........

Graphite Design Tour AD-BB 6X
at about the same length to see if any difference in Swingweight.


Higher low end weight distribution may be the reason why some shafts don't work so well in the R1 and RBZ S2.  Other shafts that don't have that profile may offer a better chance at finding a SW in the normal range.

In addition to the AD-BB 6X coming Monday, I also have a TM built AD-DI 7X coming in about a week and half.  They will be trying to get a D4 @ 45.5"!

Remeber when you thought I was crazy about R1 with stock shaft weight 330?  Lol

FYI - My Stage 2 with AD BB-6S cut to 45.5 inches was at D2.5. Added some lead tape to raise to D3.5.
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Posted 24 March 2013 - 09:59 AM

View PostG-Bone, on 23 March 2013 - 08:27 PM, said:

Rem

View PostBirdieBob, on 23 March 2013 - 05:46 PM, said:

TM R1 V1 Build

R1V1 with 10g/1g heel/toe weights = 205g
Adapter - 5.8g
Fubuki K 60X = 66g @46"
Golf Pride Whiteout/black grip with 2 extra wraps (+ 1/32")

Total Length of R1 = 45.25"
Total Weight of R1 = 335g

Swingweight @ 10g/1g heel/toe = D9
Swingweight @ 2g/1g heel/toe = D4.5

The Fubuki shaft was used but clean inside; grip was removed and reinstalled with a +1/2" ultralight extension.


I plan to try another grip on Monday.........

Graphite Design Tour AD-BB 6X
at about the same length to see if any difference in Swingweight.


Higher low end weight distribution may be the reason why some shafts don't work so well in the R1 and RBZ S2.  Other shafts that don't have that profile may offer a better chance at finding a SW in the normal range.

In addition to the AD-BB 6X coming Monday, I also have a TM built AD-DI 7X coming in about a week and half.  They will be trying to get a D4 @ 45.5"!

Remeber when you thought I was crazy about R1 with stock shaft weight 330?  Lol

FYI - My Stage 2 with AD BB-6S cut to 45.5 inches was at D2.5. Added some lead tape to raise to D3.5.


So, what did the final weight of that build come out at?
Sure would be nice if TM had added a weight slot on the RBZ S2 in order to accommodate some SW changes.
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Posted 24 March 2013 - 11:32 AM

View PostBirdieBob, on 21 March 2013 - 05:12 PM, said:

http://www.golfwrx.c...wingweight-wow/



Just got a R1 head in and on my SW scale it was 205.....  another scale said 208grams.
I am not sure if the RBZ S2 and Tour models weigh the same, but probably close.

I weighed mine with the 10/1 gram weights and no shaft adapter.

Just plugged in a R1 adapter and added a Fubuki K 60X shaft (66grams at 46") total length in driver is 44.75".
Checked swingweight and D8!  WHAT?

Removed both heel and toe weights and SW about D1.5.


Did TM screw up and not telling us about this as this does not equate with what they are saying on their web site!  What good is a head if you cannot adjust the weights as intended?


NOW WE KNOW THE REAL REASON FOR THE R1 V2 & V3 lighter heads!!!  The V1 is too damn heavy for proper swingweighting.  How is this fixed?

45 inch length brings SW down.
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Posted 25 March 2013 - 05:27 PM

View PostBirdieBob, on 23 March 2013 - 05:46 PM, said:

TM R1 V1 Build

R1V1 with 10g/1g heel/toe weights = 205g
Adapter - 5.8g
Fubuki K 60X = 66g @46"
Golf Pride Whiteout/black grip with 2 extra wraps (+ 1/32")

Total Length of R1 = 45.25"
Total Weight of R1 = 335g

Swingweight @ 10g/1g heel/toe = D9
Swingweight @ 2g/1g heel/toe = D4.5

The Fubuki shaft was used but clean inside; grip was removed and reinstalled with a +1/2" ultralight extension.


I plan to try another shaft on Monday.........

Graphite Design Tour AD-BB 6X
at about the same length to see if any difference in Swingweight.


Higher low end weight distribution may be the reason why some shafts don't work so well in the R1 and RBZ S2.  Other shafts that don't have that profile may offer a better chance at finding a SW in the normal range.

In addition to the AD-BB 6X coming Monday, I also have a TM built AD-DI 7X coming in about a week and half.  They will be trying to get a D4 @ 45.5"!


"I plan to try another shaft on Monday.........

Graphite Design Tour AD-BB 6X
at about the same length to see if any difference in Swingweight."

MONDAY UPDATE: Tried the AD-BB 6X shaft at same length as above and get the same Swingweight.... D4.5

Had someone (Caesar P.) check swingweight on the Demo R1 with Stiff shaft... D4.5....BUT with 10/1 g weights in the heel/toe. Mine are 2/1 g weights... 8 g difference or about 4 SW points! Shaft makes a difference!

Caesar also said his K. White is D6.5 at 45.5" but with two 4g weights.  Well, two 4g = 8g that is 5g more than mine or about 2.5 SW points..... D4.5 + 2.5 = D7 which is close to what Caesar got for his.

Seems that the heavier custom shafts are SW higher in the D8-9 range compared to the stock stiff.

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Posted 25 March 2013 - 09:18 PM

I can confirm another.....

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stock 10-1 weights
Kuro Kage Black 60s with TP tip
45" total length
Swing weight = D8

I plan to cut it down to 44" as that is where I normally play my drivers so it should turn out perfect for me.

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Posted 26 March 2013 - 04:15 AM

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Had someone (Caesar P.) check swingweight on the Demo R1 with Stiff shaft... D4.5....BUT with 10/1 g weights in the heel/toe. Mine are 2/1 g weights... 8 g difference or about 4 SW points! Shaft makes a difference!

I don't know for sure, but based on some of these numbers I would not be surprised if the stock shaft was counter-balanced (in addition to being on the light side).

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Posted 14 May 2013 - 09:30 AM

Just got my R1, and with Motore Speeder 6.3TS @ 45.5" swingweighted E1 with 1 gr in heel, 10 gr in toe. Cut it down to 44-7/8", now swingweight D6.5. Will replace the 10 gr toe weight with either a 4 or 6 gr weight to get it down to around D2 or D3.
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Posted 29 July 2013 - 04:42 AM

View PostPT1911, on 25 March 2013 - 09:18 PM, said:

I can confirm another.....

TM R1 V1 head,
stock 10-1 weights
Kuro Kage Black 60s with TP tip
45" total length
Swing weight = D8

I plan to cut it down to 44" as that is where I normally play my drivers so it should turn out perfect for me.

I have a black R1 which I built to 44" with an Ahina 60s. SW is D2 with 1 and 12 weights, ie +2 grams.

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Posted 29 July 2013 - 06:12 AM

Aerotech Claymore MX48 F3 @ 45".  Plays at D6.  I was skeptical trying that SW (usually play D3-4) but it's been fine.  Good combo so far.

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Posted 29 July 2013 - 07:20 AM

I counterbalanced mine by wrapping 10grs of lead tape under the grip and replaced the 10gr weight with an 8, worked quite well an really balanced the R1's heavy head out...BB

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Z grip two wraps
44.75' gripped D3

Edited by Big Ben, 30 July 2013 - 04:56 PM.

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Posted 29 July 2013 - 01:45 PM

Yea I weighed mine with the 10/1 and got 210g and mine with the 45.5" Kiyoshi white 65g came out at D9!!! Crazy how heave these heads are, no wonder they made a 2nd version fort he tour guys. I'm going to cut it down to 44 1/2" and see where that leaves me and then put prob a 1g and 4g and then a little hotmelt to get rid of that huge ping sound.

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Posted 30 July 2013 - 09:49 AM

Retail R1 head was simply way to heavy for me... That secured the Stage 2 in my bag.

But... The lighter weight of the R1 V2 has been simply awesome for me!  The lighter weight of the V2 with my AD BB shaft at 45.25 inches and a 10 & 2 weights has me at a perfect D3.5 swing weight.
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Posted 01 August 2013 - 04:50 PM

I don't know if this is true or not, but was told that TM measures driver length from the center of the face, so maybe you will get a shorter measurement if measuring up the back of the shaft from the ground at the heel.
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Posted 01 August 2013 - 06:01 PM

View PostG-Bone, on 30 July 2013 - 09:49 AM, said:

Retail R1 head was simply way to heavy for me... That secured the Stage 2 in my bag.

But... The lighter weight of the R1 V2 has been simply awesome for me!  The lighter weight of the V2 with my AD BB shaft at 45.25 inches and a 10 & 2 weights has me at a perfect D3.5 swing weight.

Sounds like a nice set up for sure!

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Posted 04 August 2013 - 03:47 PM

Guess I got lucky. My R1 Black just got here. 201 gram headweight and it measures right at 45" with the stock Phenom 55. SW D3.5. I wonder if TMAG took notice of this and trimmed some down to 45"?

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