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[storm319]

nbg352, on 23 February 2013 - 09:48 AM, said:

storm319, on 22 February 2013 - 07:07 PM, said:

nbg352, on 22 February 2013 - 11:34 AM, said:

FYI, the KK shaft in the covert tour is NOT a made for. It is th real deal.

I didn't say that the KK was made for, but if you look at the specs (4+ degrees or torque) and notice the fact that they are produced in China (high end MR shafts are produced in Japan, cheaper lines and made for shafts have been produced in China) they are more comparable to past "made for" shafts than any of the high end Diamana shafts.

Basically they created the equivalent of a "made for" shaft without the "made for" label (I guarantee that Nike is paying no more per shaft for the KK than they did for last year's made for Nike Fubuki or Ahina). Also keep in mind that "made for" does not equal "bad shaft", although it does seem to have that stigma around here.

I have been assured by Tom Stites at Nike that this shaft is the REAL deal. That it is made in China accounts for the ability to still sell this club at a reasonable? price. A shaft ordered from KK would match the specs of a KK shaft normally found in a covert head. Since  many members here seem to live or die by the real deal shafts, it is important that they know this. You are absolutely right in saying that many made for shafts are very good and well suited to the heads they are attached to.

Yes the KK in the Nike Covert is the same as the aftermarket KK. I am not arguing that. What I am saying is that MR created 2 cheaper lines (KK and Diamana+) that are cost effective enough for OEMs to use as stock options without the negative stigma that "made for" shafts have or the added cost of custom graphics for each OEM (You will notice that MR has not produced any "made for" shafts for OEMs this year). A good example to see what you are actually getting is to look at the Diamana S+ and the made for Titleist Kaili. You will notice that the specs are almost identical (very well could be the same shaft relabeled), yet MR is trying to market these as a combination of the best aspects of the 1st and 2nd gen Diamanas.

Ultimately, a pig in lipstick is still a pig.

[wundej]

storm319, on 22 February 2013 - 07:07 PM, said:

nbg352, on 22 February 2013 - 11:34 AM, said:

storm319, on 13 February 2013 - 08:27 PM, said:

MarkFromTheUK, on 13 February 2013 - 05:38 AM, said:

Because it's not a premium shaft. OEM's can put it in their clubs for very little expense, justifiably call it "real deal" and won't have to worry about the "is it a made-for?" question.

99% of golfers will see the name Mitsubishi Rayon and think it is a top shaft, without realising that it's actually utterly crap.

Agreed. It looks like MR created the Kuro Kage and Diamana+ lines as affordable options for stock OEM offerings rather than producing several distinct "made for" shafts.

FYI, the KK shaft in the covert tour is NOT a made for. It is th real deal.

(I guarantee that Nike is paying no more per shaft for the KK than they did for last year's made for Nike Fubuki or Ahina).

Do you work for Nike in their supply chain or engineering deps?

[Johnny4379]

storm319, on 22 February 2013 - 07:07 PM, said:

nbg352, on 22 February 2013 - 11:34 AM, said:

storm319, on 13 February 2013 - 08:27 PM, said:

MarkFromTheUK, on 13 February 2013 - 05:38 AM, said:

Because it's not a premium shaft. OEM's can put it in their clubs for very little expense, justifiably call it "real deal" and won't have to worry about the "is it a made-for?" question.

99% of golfers will see the name Mitsubishi Rayon and think it is a top shaft, without realising that it's actually utterly crap.

Agreed. It looks like MR created the Kuro Kage and Diamana+ lines as affordable options for stock OEM offerings rather than producing several distinct "made for" shafts.

FYI, the KK shaft in the covert tour is NOT a made for. It is th real deal.

I didn't say that the KK was made for, but if you look at the specs (4+ degrees or torque) and notice the fact that they are produced in China (high end MR shafts are produced in Japan, cheaper lines and made for shafts have been produced in China) they are more comparable to past "made for" shafts than any of the high end Diamana shafts.

How come the sticker on my fubuki straight from TM says "shaft made in china" then ?

Maybe they are making all their shafts in china now..