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whats the rule on superseniors with conforming/nonconforming drivers?


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#1 Spoon

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 09:10 PM

i have an uncle that wants to give a gift to a friend in the US.
hes around 80+ years old, decent golfer for his age. joins charity
tournaments etc etc.

i take it that conforming clubs are a must no exceptions regardless of
age etc etc? he doesnt join any club sanctioned tournaments or club championships.
just wanted to know as i am purchasing the club for him. thanks


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Posted 29 January 2013 - 11:02 PM

Start with the Rules.

4-1. Form And Make Of Clubs

a. General

The player’s clubs must conform with this Rule and the provisions, specifications and interpretations set forth in Appendix II.

Then read Appendix II.

You'll not find any special provisions for "superseniors with conforming/nonconforming drivers."

Edited by sui generis, 30 January 2013 - 08:24 AM.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 01:00 AM

View Postsui generis, on 29 January 2013 - 11:02 PM, said:

Start with the Rules.

4-1. Form And Make Of Clubs

a. General

The player’s clubs must conform with this Rule and the provisions, specifications and interpretations set forth in Appendix II.

Then read Appendix II.

You'll not find any special provisions for "superseniors with conforming/nonconforming divers."

thanks for taking the time. appreciate it

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 11:07 AM

I bet a senior who is "a decent golfer for his age" would only want to play with legal clubs anyway.

BTW, if you are talking about the new groove rule, pre-2010 grooves are technically "conforming" for almost all amateur play, though they are not "condition of competition" conforming for tournaments which add this unusual expert requirement. New clubs from all reputable manufacturers conform to all standards.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 10:19 PM

i got him the nonconforming model. just found out that hes 85.


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Posted 31 January 2013 - 01:38 AM

The old guy plays for fun, and charity tournaments. The whole purpose of a charity tournament is to cheat to raise money. I don't think "buying mulligans" and buying "$25 Tiger Drives" are USGA legal either. You could use a Hammer driver and nobody would care. Get him the non conforming if you want. It won't make any difference to anyone he playing.

Edited by rockinar, 31 January 2013 - 01:39 AM.


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Posted 31 January 2013 - 01:49 AM

Conforming grooves are allowed until 2024 unless playing in a USGA tournament.  Of course your local club
could stipulate conforming grooves only.  At 85 years young I doubt he will be playing in a USGA
tournament, and 2024 is probably a bit optimistic.

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 04:01 AM

Some people may be jumping to conclusions about the groove issue, the OP never said in what way the club is non-conforming.

The important thing is that your uncle knows and doesn't have a problem with it.  It's his responsibility as the player after all.

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 05:03 AM

In subject it says drivers so I think it would not be grooves...
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Posted 31 January 2013 - 06:20 AM

View PostQEight, on 31 January 2013 - 05:03 AM, said:

In subject it says drivers so I think it would not be grooves...

I didn't see him say anything about a driver but it did sound like it was referencing a single club so driver is a likely.   Could be a hi-cor driver?

Edited by Stuart G., 31 January 2013 - 06:20 AM.


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Posted 31 January 2013 - 06:39 AM

View PostStuart G., on 31 January 2013 - 06:20 AM, said:

View PostQEight, on 31 January 2013 - 05:03 AM, said:

In subject it says drivers so I think it would not be grooves...

I didn't see him say anything about a driver but it did sound like it was referencing a single club so driver is a likely.   Could be a hi-cor driver?

Ok. just to make sure:

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 08:42 PM

Non-conforming drivers are not allowed at any age or any time.

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Posted 31 January 2013 - 09:12 PM

ok guys sorry for not being clear.
it is a HI-COR driver.

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 09:47 AM

View PostSpoon, on 31 January 2013 - 09:12 PM, said:

ok guys sorry for not being clear.
it is a HI-COR driver.

Do you believe it is non conforming ?

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 05:29 PM

View PostNewby, on 01 February 2013 - 09:47 AM, said:

View PostSpoon, on 31 January 2013 - 09:12 PM, said:

ok guys sorry for not being clear.
it is a HI-COR driver.

Do you believe it is non conforming ?
It is non conforming.


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Posted 01 February 2013 - 07:56 PM

View PostSpoon, on 01 February 2013 - 05:29 PM, said:

View PostNewby, on 01 February 2013 - 09:47 AM, said:

View PostSpoon, on 31 January 2013 - 09:12 PM, said:

ok guys sorry for not being clear.
it is a HI-COR driver.

Do you believe it is non conforming ?
It is non conforming.

Then it is illegal (there's no "supersenior" category mentioned in the Rog).

In practice, it matters if he cares, it doesn't matter if he doesn't.

Parenthetically, if someone is in their mid 80s and still playing 18, I'd have no problem with them anchoring their walker.

Edited by bobfoster, 01 February 2013 - 08:00 PM.


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Posted 01 February 2013 - 09:23 PM

I hope you make him aware of the club's status, so he doesn't inadvertently embarrass himself.

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 06:38 AM

View Postrockinar, on 31 January 2013 - 01:38 AM, said:

The old guy plays for fun, and charity tournaments. The whole purpose of a charity tournament is to cheat to raise money. I don't think "buying mulligans" and buying "$25 Tiger Drives" are USGA legal either. You could use a Hammer driver and nobody would care. Get him the non conforming if you want. It won't make any difference to anyone he playing.

Exactly my sentiment.

The whole high COR limit was overblown as it pertained to amateur swings, and especially the swing speed of an 85 yo.




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