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How is Stephen Ames getting into fields?


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#1 wessnuts

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 10:44 PM

Ames hasn't won since 2009, so how does he still get into tournaments?  He wasn't in top 125 last year either.

It would be cool if all events had an explanation how each player got his spot (kinda like Masters does).

Dude is nearly 50 and has earned millions.  Why not allow a q-school/web.com player have a spot?


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Posted 28 January 2013 - 10:53 PM

Obviously his good looks.

http://www.pgatour.c...exemptions.html

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9. Winners of PGA TOUR co-sponsored or approved events (except team events) within the last two calendar years, or during the current year; winners receive an additional year of exemption for each additional win, up to five years:


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Posted 28 January 2013 - 10:58 PM

View PostiBanesto, on 28 January 2013 - 10:53 PM, said:

Obviously his good looks.

http://www.pgatour.c...exemptions.html

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9. Winners of PGA TOUR co-sponsored or approved events (except team events) within the last two calendar years, or during the current year; winners receive an additional year of exemption for each additional win, up to five years:


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Posted 28 January 2013 - 10:59 PM

But 2 years after 2009 would mean 2011 would be his last year of full exemption right?  I don't understand how his status has carried over to 2013

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Posted 28 January 2013 - 11:07 PM

If every time someone whined about a PGA tour player "taking" a web.com players spot, that person actually lost their spot, every field would be 50% snot-nosed kids.


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Posted 28 January 2013 - 11:26 PM

View Postwessnuts, on 28 January 2013 - 10:59 PM, said:

But 2 years after 2009 would mean 2011 would be his last year of full exemption right?  I don't understand how his status has carried over to 2013

Ames won the Players Championship in 2006, giving him a 5 year exemption from 2007-2011. During those 5 years, he won the Children's Miracle Network Classic twice, in 2007 and 2009; each win gave him another 1 year exemption added on to his prior exemption, i.e. 2012 and 2013.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 09:13 PM

View Postwessnuts, on 28 January 2013 - 10:44 PM, said:


Why not allow a q-school/web.com player have a spot?

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 09:23 PM

View Postwessnuts, on 28 January 2013 - 10:44 PM, said:

Ames hasn't won since 2009, so how does he still get into tournaments?  He wasn't in top 125 last year either.

It would be cool if all events had an explanation how each player got his spot (kinda like Masters does).

Dude is nearly 50 and has earned millions.  Why not allow a q-school/web.com player have a spot?

Let me get this straight. He won in 2009, has 4 pga tour wins and finished in the top 125 for about 10 years straight, but hasn't earned the right to get a sponsors exemption? He's proven that he can play on tour and win. But he's apparently taking a spot from a web.com players who hasn't proven themselves?

What has the web.com player done to deserve a spot? Why are they more derserving than someone who has had a very successful career?

My guess is your'e of the younger "if want it so therefore i deserve it" generation.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 09:28 PM

Greetings ....

MacGuffin supplied the correct answer. It is a PGA Tour regulation put into effect in 2003 that covers winners of any event awarding an exemption of three or more years. If a player wins such an event and then wins regular events during the period in which the three-or-more years exemption is in effect, he gets one extra year for each regular event won, limited to a maximum of five bonus years.

Not only has Ames benefitted from this rule, but so have Justin Leonard and David Toms. Leonard already had a 10-year exemption for winning the 1997 British Open, and wins he had occuring from 2003 onward extended his prime exempt status up to 2012. Toms won the 2001 PGA Championship, by itself worth a 5-year exemption. Subsequent wins in years up to 2006 extended Toms' prime exempt status thru 2011. Toms won Colonial in 2011 and is exempt thru 2013.

The rule does have flaws (so says me) -- One of Leonard's wins occured -AFTER- the end of the 10-year exemption period, but was treated as a bonus exemption because it occurred within the period of years (2008 to 2011) where his initial exemption had been extended by wins occurring from 2003 to 2007. That's why Leonard had prime status in 2012!!!!!

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 09:40 PM

He gets into fields by the same rules that allow any other player to get into the fields, there is no "taking somebody's spot", his spot is his spot. He's in no more or less than Phil, Stricker, etc.

If those outside looking in want to play, they need to play better.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 09:42 PM

View Postwessnuts, on 28 January 2013 - 10:44 PM, said:

Ames hasn't won since 2009, so how does he still get into tournaments?  He wasn't in top 125 last year either.

It would be cool if all events had an explanation how each player got his spot (kinda like Masters does).

Dude is nearly 50 and has earned millions.  Why not allow a q-school/web.com player have a spot?

Why not allow that earnest kid Jimmy who gets up at dawn to deliver newspapers, then goes to school where he get's straight A's, then comes home and makes dinner for his invalid mum, then does his homework, and then finally goes to the range to hit balls with a bent 5I until they close?

Why? Because the PGA exemption rules allow a multiple former winner to have a place and that annoying overachieving keener Jimmy hasn't achieved anything yet within the rules of the PGA to get a place on tour. :derisive:

Edited by duffer987, 29 January 2013 - 09:43 PM.


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Posted 29 January 2013 - 10:59 PM

Mac Guffin,

Thanks for the explanation.  I didn't realize the exemptions piggy-backed and rolled on top of each other.  Seems like the system makes it tough to get in, but once you're in, you only need to 'peak' for a 3-5 week stretch all year to keep your status.  

I also thought it was expensive to be on tour, so making cuts and cashing checks was the only way to survive.  But then I read something about "tee money" and the fact of the matter is... getting to the show pays for itself.  At that point you're basically playing with house money.

As far as Ames goes: "Don't hate the player, hate the game" seems like the most appropriate cliche.  I would just like to see him play the 50 players who got their cards via q-school & Buy.com in a 72 hole tourney and see where he places.  I'd bet even money that Russel Henley would beat him.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 11:07 PM

Henley is going to be a very good player.  It puts McIlroy's talent in perspective though.  Rory and Henley are the same age but look at what Rory's accomplished.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 11:13 PM

Tiger is a tough nut to crack.  He comes off as an @$$ hole.  I guess Haney portrayed him as one too.  But let's face it, nice guys finish last.  America has no time for losers.

Having said that, I am a "nice guy", but I have done WAY less to make the world a better place than Tiger has.  His foundation has helped more people than I ever will.  I doubt the guy will ever find true peace & happiness, but peace & happiness is not what he's looking for in life.  He just wasn't born that way.

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 11:40 PM

Kicking Ames's butt wasn't scummy at all.  Gloating in his press conference was.  I'd love to know the percentage of Tiger fans who also love Lebron, Kobe, the Patriots, Yankees, ARod, etc.


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Posted 29 January 2013 - 11:42 PM

View Postsportsmanship, on 29 January 2013 - 11:40 PM, said:

Kicking Ames's butt wasn't scummy at all.  Gloating in his press conference was.  I'd love to know the percentage of Tiger fans who also love Lebron, Kobe, the Patriots, Yankees, ARod, etc.

:to_become_senile:
Let me help remind you...
How is Stephen Ames getting into fields?

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Posted 29 January 2013 - 11:52 PM

View PostAP2 712, on 29 January 2013 - 11:42 PM, said:

View Postsportsmanship, on 29 January 2013 - 11:40 PM, said:

Kicking Ames's butt wasn't scummy at all.  Gloating in his press conference was.  I'd love to know the percentage of Tiger fans who also love Lebron, Kobe, the Patriots, Yankees, ARod, etc.

:to_become_senile:
Let me help remind you...
How is Stephen Ames getting into fields?

Here's an actual answer from someone who knows.  Ames is getting into fields because he had/has big time sponsors and the PGA tour takes care of their own.  You know how every once in a while a top amateur gets into an event because he went to the same school as a sponsor or knows him?  Well, the same thing goes for washed up players like Ames.  These guys develop relationships over a career and use those connections when they need them.  Not to mention there are a billion exemptions that only lawyers understand.  I'm pretty sure there's an exemption for being the tallest, most tan player to make the cut in the 110th Open Championship.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 01:14 AM

Or...

He just was exempt as outlined above
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Posted 30 January 2013 - 01:24 AM

View Postanth, on 30 January 2013 - 01:14 AM, said:

Or...

He just was exempt as outlined above



Exactly.

Sportsmanship....some friendly advice.....consider quitting while you are behind.

All your last did was prove that you are not "someone who knows".

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Edited by Tim Delgado, 30 January 2013 - 01:29 AM.


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Posted 30 January 2013 - 01:35 AM

You are of course free to ignore my friendly advice.

Sorry to diminish your strange theory, but I do not "hero worship" any person (and I doubt that many people here on WRX do).

In fact, if you look around, you might find a few posts where guys say they aren't huge TW fans.  lol

Your last sentence makes even less sense.  The World Rankings are based on performance, and nothing else.

Not sure what you have been reading here, but you sound a bit confused.  Maybe take a break.

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Edited by Tim Delgado, 30 January 2013 - 01:38 AM.


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Posted 30 January 2013 - 04:23 PM

Here's Ames profile on PGATour.com:

http://www.pgatour.c...ml/season/#uber

He is having a pretty decent season, making 2 of 3 cuts and a top 25 finish at the Sony. Hope he can keep it up.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 06:41 PM

View Postmac guffin, on 28 January 2013 - 11:26 PM, said:

View Postwessnuts, on 28 January 2013 - 10:59 PM, said:

But 2 years after 2009 would mean 2011 would be his last year of full exemption right?  I don't understand how his status has carried over to 2013

Ames won the Players Championship in 2006, giving him a 5 year exemption from 2007-2011. During those 5 years, he won the Children's Miracle Network Classic twice, in 2007 and 2009; each win gave him another 1 year exemption added on to his prior exemption, i.e. 2012 and 2013.

^ That. The rules are a bit obscure and sometimes open to a bit of interpretation, but they are published, and Ames is simply playing by them.

I guess I can understand (a little) people complaining that sponsor's exemptions keep those young bucks from the web.com from getting spots ... but Ames isn't getting on using sponsor's exemptions - he's got a card (for the reason so accurately explained by wessnuts).

Truth is, I have nothing against the sponsors using their exemptions any way they wish - it costs a lot of damn money to put on a tourney.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 08:14 PM

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its okay you dont like tiger.....

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 08:37 PM

What did Woods say about Ames in a presser?

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 08:52 PM

View PostPuttLeftHitRight, on 30 January 2013 - 08:37 PM, said:

What did Woods say about Ames in a presser?

Ames was stupid and said he had a chance to beat Tiger and said something like Tiger was wild or driving erratically.

Tiger said nothing.

Then, Tiger kicked the absolute crap out of Ames (and his teeth)

And after the match, when asked for a comment said,

"9 & 8"

I think I have that right.

Edited by bscinstnct, 30 January 2013 - 08:55 PM.


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Posted 30 January 2013 - 09:09 PM

Pretty much and it didn't affect him much getting trounced either in that single round match, seeing as he won the Players the following month.

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Posted 30 January 2013 - 09:12 PM

View Postbscinstnct, on 30 January 2013 - 08:52 PM, said:

View PostPuttLeftHitRight, on 30 January 2013 - 08:37 PM, said:

What did Woods say about Ames in a presser?

Ames was stupid and said he had a chance to beat Tiger and said something like Tiger was wild or driving erratically.

Tiger said nothing.

Then, Tiger kicked the absolute crap out of Ames (and his teeth)

And after the match, when asked for a comment said,

"9 & 8"

I think I have that right.

Oh OK. I knew Tiger beat him good, but people on here made it sound like he took shots at him or something.

Edited by PuttLeftHitRight, 30 January 2013 - 09:12 PM.


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