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[shaffe]

Taste great .... Less filling ...

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Taste great .... Less filling ...

[pgagreg1]

preshotroutine, on 21 January 2013 - 11:57 AM, said:

With Rory going back to his Cameron putter and hearing the talk that nearly every player who has played a Scotty Cameron putter and then switched to another putter has had issues and had to go back to their trusty Cameron.


Why is this the case? For someone who knows nothing about putters other then a Scotty costs as much as a lot of Drivers. Are you really that good?

Seems to me that every great putter has played a Cameron putter and some point.


WHY ARE THEY SO GOOD, OR ARE THEY? OR IS IT A MATTER OF TYPICAL OEM MARKETING HYPE?

I think almost every great PGA tour player has used multiple putters over their career.
Jack didn't win all his majors with just that wizard 600.
He won the 1967 US Open with a bullseye that had been painted white.
and so many people think that Taylormade invented white putters.
Here is a link to the story.
http://www.ussenioro...us-reunite.html

[hoosiervolunteer]

I'm not a pro.  I rotate my putters.  A couple of Camerons are in there.  They make the rotation.  I'm 100% sure that I'm not the only golfer in the world doing this...

[jmac13]

I agree with the person that made the point of the number of times you putt in a round vs. the number of drives you hit and paying $300 for a putter.

To take it a step farther, see what holds its value better over a 2-3 year period. If you find a good used putter, you can sometimes make a little or at least break even on it later. That hardly ever happens with a driver.

Now if a $50 putter gets the ball in the hole as well or better as the $300 putter, go with the $50 one.

[Mob]

I have been playing a Scotty Cameron Kombi for the past 3 or 4 seasons (can't remember which).  I think it is a very solid putter.  I just got a Odyssey Versa #7 and I actually prefer it to the Cameron.  When I watch the tour events, I see as many Ping or Odyssey putters out there as I do Scotty Camerons.  Pro golfers are very superstitious.  If they used to play a Cameron and switched to something else, which is no longer working, the solution is to blame the putter and go back to the previous putter.  That is much better for them mentally than having to admit that they have a new problem with their stroke.

[jmac13]

I'd also venture to say that when a player like Rory signs a deal as big as he did, it puts a lot of pressure on them to perform. Id use Albert Pujols to the Angels as an analogy. Why did Rory change putters instead of drivers? Probably the psycology of seeing the ball go in the hole. I suspect Rory will have the Nike in the bag full time before we ever get to the first major though.

[irwinfletcher77]

Anyone know where his new Select putters are made? They don't feel as solid as the old studio selects or some of his older models. Probably just feel on my part but didn't like the new selects near as much as the old ones.

[Snufles]

Konklifer, on 21 January 2013 - 12:43 PM, said:

Say what you want but I see many more Odyssey's on the PGA tour and around the world than Camerons.  And I'm not a basher as I have a GoLo S and think it is a great stick.

Was thinking the same thing. Still quite a few 2 balls being played as well.

[Abstract]

Not a 100% sure but I think they're designed in California and assembled in China.  But again, not sure.

irwinfletcher77, on 21 January 2013 - 07:56 PM, said:

Anyone know where his new Select putters are made? They don't feel as solid as the old studio selects or some of his older models. Probably just feel on my part but didn't like the new selects near as much as the old ones.

[502 to Right]

Abstract, on 21 January 2013 - 08:26 PM, said:

Not a 100% sure but I think they're designed in California and assembled in China.  But again, not sure.

irwinfletcher77, on 21 January 2013 - 07:56 PM, said:

Anyone know where his new Select putters are made? They don't feel as solid as the old studio selects or some of his older models. Probably just feel on my part but didn't like the new selects near as much as the old ones.

If you're not sure, why even answer the question?

The current Camerons are milled and assembled in the U.S.  There were rumors that the Studio Stainless and Studio Style were milled overseas but since the Selects first came out, Cameron has made it clear his putters are milled in the USA.  At this point, he has too many eyeballs on his production to cheat.

Edited by 502 to Right, 21 January 2013 - 08:57 PM.

[finalist]

Rory released a statement that his Titleist is not staying in his bag.

[Scotty1140]

502 to Right, on 21 January 2013 - 08:57 PM, said:

Abstract, on 21 January 2013 - 08:26 PM, said:

Not a 100% sure but I think they're designed in California and assembled in China.  But again, not sure.

irwinfletcher77, on 21 January 2013 - 07:56 PM, said:

Anyone know where his new Select putters are made? They don't feel as solid as the old studio selects or some of his older models. Probably just feel on my part but didn't like the new selects near as much as the old ones.

If you're not sure, why even answer the question?

The current Camerons are milled and assembled in the U.S.  There were rumors that the Studio Stainless and Studio Style were milled overseas but since the Selects first came out, Cameron has made it clear his putters are milled in the USA.  At this point, he has too many eyeballs on his production to cheat.

Yup. That would be a bad business move to move production oversees.

Regarding the feel, I think the change in feel compared to the older models is more of a design thing. Thicker faces and deeper milling patterns on the faces to promote a softer feeling, more muted putter. "Soft" is all the rage these days...

Edited by Scotty1140, 21 January 2013 - 09:10 PM.

[jmac13]

Not thread jacking, but it would be interesting to have a Bettinardi BB-0, Cameron 009, and Byron DH89 all made with the same specs (finish, weight, shaft, grip, etc.) and no stampings and 100 golfers to test, then rank them.

Disclaimer: I'm not saying these are the only manufacturers that make quality putters, but the head styles are all so similar that most average golfers wouldn't know the difference. I'm sorry if I offended any fans of other makers.

[againstthegrain]

preshotroutine, on 21 January 2013 - 12:23 PM, said:

I am not a golf club expert by any means. I am not a very good player either. I love the game and love the equipment. I play maybe if I am lucky 10 times a year. I would play more but I am a high school teacher and have 4 kids. Golf is so expensive. I would play every day if I could and I think about golf 24/7 I love it. So for me because I don't play a lot, but want to I guess I get sucked into the equipment trap.

Anyway I live near a PGA Super store, golf galaxy and a golf smith Xtreme. Over the years I have spent hours hitting clubs and putting at these stores. Of course they have every putter known to man in ever size model etc. Over the years I have putted with every putter in each of these stores. I have to tell you that I can honestly say that the Cameron's feel the best to me. They are the most balanced best sounding, and give the best roll. This is just my opinion.

Of course I will never buy one! I just can't pay over $300.00 for a putter, you can tell every time you strike the ball that they are quality in every way.

Anyone else have this experience?

I commend your dedication and sacrifice for your family by forgoing that Scotty.


What's been your favorite one so far?

[Abstract]

@502 - Because I would expect an answer from the experts (like yourself)

At the end of the day, Scotty is a Titleist Brand.  Today, Titleist clubs are designed in the US and assembled in China (this also includes the Vokeys).  I would only assume Scotty will do the same eventually to fill his pockets.

502 to Right, on 21 January 2013 - 08:57 PM, said:

Abstract, on 21 January 2013 - 08:26 PM, said:

Not a 100% sure but I think they're designed in California and assembled in China.  But again, not sure.

irwinfletcher77, on 21 January 2013 - 07:56 PM, said:

Anyone know where his new Select putters are made? They don't feel as solid as the old studio selects or some of his older models. Probably just feel on my part but didn't like the new selects near as much as the old ones.

If you're not sure, why even answer the question?

The current Camerons are milled and assembled in the U.S.  There were rumors that the Studio Stainless and Studio Style were milled overseas but since the Selects first came out, Cameron has made it clear his putters are milled in the USA.  At this point, he has too many eyeballs on his production to cheat.

[tangojay]

pgagreg1, on 21 January 2013 - 05:01 PM, said:

Jimv, on 21 January 2013 - 02:29 PM, said:

preshotroutine, on 21 January 2013 - 12:23 PM, said:

I am not a golf club expert by any means. I am not a very good player either. I love the game and love the equipment. I play maybe if I am lucky 10 times a year. I would play more but I am a high school teacher and have 4 kids. Golf is so expensive. I would play every day if I could and I think about golf 24/7 I love it. So for me because I don't play a lot, but want to I guess I get sucked into the equipment trap.

Anyway I live near a PGA Super store, golf galaxy and a golf smith Xtreme. Over the years I have spent hours hitting clubs and putting at these stores. Of course they have every putter known to man in ever size model etc. Over the years I have putted with every putter in each of these stores. I have to tell you that I can honestly say that the Cameron's feel the best to me. They are the most balanced best sounding, and give the best roll. This is just my opinion.

Of course I will never buy one! I just can't pay over $300.00 for a putter, you can tell every time you strike the ball that they are quality in every way.

Anyone else have this experience?

I have Bettinardi's, Piretti's, and a Byron Morgan that all feel as good as a Cameron. Everytime i get thinking i like Cameron putters, i go buy one, put with it for a whil and then realize with 4 degrees of loft its like putting with a pitching wedge for me - ball launches up in the air and has horrible role.

you do know that you can custom order Camerons with less loft at no additional charge

Really? and what would be the turn around time Greg? Sure on the no charge? would that not make it a "custom" order? Just curious,,,,

[YMark]

Abstract, on 21 January 2013 - 02:44 PM, said:

You can't spend $300 on a putter? You will use your flatstick 20-30+ times in a round, yet people spend $500+ on a driver used 10 times in a round?

I don't get it either, and it makes no sense. I've seen people ask a hacker all sorts of questions about his new $500 driver that he can't keep in the fairway. And these same people snicker about how pretentious a guy with a Scotty is, even though he's scoring in the 80s with 30 putts.

[tangojay]

YMark, on 24 January 2013 - 04:03 PM, said:

Abstract, on 21 January 2013 - 02:44 PM, said:

You can't spend $300 on a putter? You will use your flatstick 20-30+ times in a round, yet people spend $500+ on a driver used 10 times in a round?

I don't get it either, and it makes no sense. I've seen people ask a hacker all sorts of questions about his new $500 driver that he can't keep in the fairway. And these same people snicker about how pretentious a guy with a Scotty is, even though he's scoring in the 80s with 30 putts.

There is also the one's who talked down to those who don't rll a "Scottie" or talk down to those who don't know who he is,,,,, double edged sword

[YMark]

tangojay, on 24 January 2013 - 04:38 PM, said:

YMark, on 24 January 2013 - 04:03 PM, said:

Abstract, on 21 January 2013 - 02:44 PM, said:

You can't spend $300 on a putter? You will use your flatstick 20-30+ times in a round, yet people spend $500+ on a driver used 10 times in a round?

I don't get it either, and it makes no sense. I've seen people ask a hacker all sorts of questions about his new $500 driver that he can't keep in the fairway. And these same people snicker about how pretentious a guy with a Scotty is, even though he's scoring in the 80s with 30 putts.

There is also the one's who talked down to those who don't rll a "Scottie" or talk down to those who don't know who he is,,,,, double edged sword

I hear ya. How about the hack with a $500 driver talking down to a mid cap gaming a Scotty? That could be fun.

[willsnope]

Cause it's always the arrow not the Indian

[againstthegrain]

willsnope, on 24 January 2013 - 05:01 PM, said:

Cause it's always the arrow not the Indian

Not so.  A properly fit putter probably makes more difference than any other club.  Aim and setup can be effected by how well or badly fit a putter is.

[Shaank0]

I've owned Cameron's Betti's pings and odysseys. While all perform relatively the same some look better than others I have yet to experience a putter that puts a purer roll on the ball with my Nike method. That being said, a hole that resides in my backside puckers up really bad when I face down hill left to right putts.

I hope they release sorts method design to retail.

[pgagreg1]

tangojay, on 24 January 2013 - 01:48 PM, said:

pgagreg1, on 21 January 2013 - 05:01 PM, said:

Jimv, on 21 January 2013 - 02:29 PM, said:

preshotroutine, on 21 January 2013 - 12:23 PM, said:

I am not a golf club expert by any means. I am not a very good player either. I love the game and love the equipment. I play maybe if I am lucky 10 times a year. I would play more but I am a high school teacher and have 4 kids. Golf is so expensive. I would play every day if I could and I think about golf 24/7 I love it. So for me because I don't play a lot, but want to I guess I get sucked into the equipment trap.

Anyway I live near a PGA Super store, golf galaxy and a golf smith Xtreme. Over the years I have spent hours hitting clubs and putting at these stores. Of course they have every putter known to man in ever size model etc. Over the years I have putted with every putter in each of these stores. I have to tell you that I can honestly say that the Cameron's feel the best to me. They are the most balanced best sounding, and give the best roll. This is just my opinion.

Of course I will never buy one! I just can't pay over $300.00 for a putter, you can tell every time you strike the ball that they are quality in every way.

Anyone else have this experience?

I have Bettinardi's, Piretti's, and a Byron Morgan that all feel as good as a Cameron. Everytime i get thinking i like Cameron putters, i go buy one, put with it for a whil and then realize with 4 degrees of loft its like putting with a pitching wedge for me - ball launches up in the air and has horrible role.

you do know that you can custom order Camerons with less loft at no additional charge

Really? and what would be the turn around time Greg? Sure on the no charge? would that not make it a "custom" order? Just curious,,,,

yep, for no extra charge you can order any otr with plus or minus 1 degree of loft.
They come in half inch increments from 33 to 35.5 inches.
There are several grip options too for no extra charge.
I have never had it take more than an extra day or two for any Cameron OTR putter ordered with custom specs.

now if your asking about ordering a custom tour putter I can't tell you for sure about that because I have never ordered one

[Scottyguy68]

wcbjr, on 21 January 2013 - 12:27 PM, said:

MarkFromTheUK, on 21 January 2013 - 12:11 PM, said:

It's because Scotty Cameron is a magician. He sprinkles magic dust over his putters and puts curses on all other brands.

In all serious though, they're just better. Nothing feels as good as a handmade Scotty, Bettinardi or Piretti... particularly those awful white things which feel like they have been made from recycled beer cans..

Ping much?






...here comes endless debate using nothing but opinion...

im thinking he making fun of taylormade and odyssey more than ping

[pat007]

Play what gets the ball in the hole.

[cjblake09]

What he said!