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[Frankensteins Monster]

Barto78, on 21 January 2013 - 12:48 PM, said:

Frankensteins Monster, on 21 January 2013 - 12:41 PM, said:

tbowles411, on 21 January 2013 - 12:36 PM, said:

Well, Phil has defininately gotten people talking!  

I think it was all calculated in case he missed the cut.

I think it was calculated because he's a San Diego guy and the tournament is in San Diego this week.  It's also the first PGA tour event for Tiger Woods, so the media coverage is going to be huge.   Brilliant move by Phil IMO.....brilliant.

Tongue in cheek man...

[zerofade]

what i don't understand is this idea of trickle down economics and the "job creators" and market driven forces shaping the economy .. we tried that for years .. and look where it got us .. everyone remembers 2008 right?  and then prosecute 2 wars without raising revenue?  i mean we tried that approach and we almost crashed and burned .. what makes people think it wil be any different unless we change our approach?

[Barto78]

PingAR, on 21 January 2013 - 12:45 PM, said:

Barto78, on 21 January 2013 - 12:17 PM, said:

Phil's comments are now on DrudgeReport and Foxnews.com.  It won't be much longer and it will be all over the evening cable news shows.

Fox and Drudge for news?!  Seriously?

You don't really expect the more left leaning news outlets to be quick to cover this story do you?

[geoffaw]

How is this one not locked yet???

[Barto78]

Frankensteins Monster, on 21 January 2013 - 12:49 PM, said:

Barto78, on 21 January 2013 - 12:48 PM, said:

Frankensteins Monster, on 21 January 2013 - 12:41 PM, said:

tbowles411, on 21 January 2013 - 12:36 PM, said:

Well, Phil has defininately gotten people talking!  

I think it was all calculated in case he missed the cut.

I think it was calculated because he's a San Diego guy and the tournament is in San Diego this week.  It's also the first PGA tour event for Tiger Woods, so the media coverage is going to be huge.   Brilliant move by Phil IMO.....brilliant.

Tongue in cheek man...

Oh, i know.  I was just stating the fact that he knew exactly why he mentioned it when he did.

[wobgon]

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The problem with all the peeps from Cali moving is that they are bringing their lib ways with them. It's happening in tx. They can't figure it out but they voted Jerry brown gov again by plenty.
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How ironic, if this is the case! Move away from the same policies and tax whores you voted in...
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We did figure it out .. jerry brown got elected and our budget deficit has turned into a budget SURPLUS .. state was in serious trouble 2 years ago and now not so much
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Give me a break.....Tax and Spend Jerry? I live here too, you might try and sneak that BS past the out of state members of this board, but it won't work with someone mired right in the middle of it.
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BS?  look up the numbers .. the states budget crisis is gone .. its fact
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Look us up two years from now and tell us how it is going.
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you think it'll be any worse than it was 2 years ago?? .. tax and spend jerry did what reagan wannabe arnold couldn't .. sorry that's just the truth as hard as it is to swallow .. as far as the future?  let's finish this little discussion about the present cos the numbers don't lie shall we?
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Projected #'s mean absolutely nothing. As i said come back in two years and tell us how it is going.  By the way,if you think Arnold was anything like Reagan, or in any way a conservative,you really nead to stay out of serious discussions.
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projected numbers mean nothing and yet you wanna discount the present and talk about the future?  huh?

oh and that's why i called arnie a wannabe not the real deal .. bottom line the repub governor couldn't get our budget situation fixed and the dem governor did .. and no for the final time i can't predict the future as much as you keep asking and yet don't believe in projections .. wait my head hurts
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Please show me where i ever asked you to predict the future. You used the word loony earlier. Definately applies here.

[Fade]

I searched youtube, just to see what I could find...

... this was the only result so far:

[Barto78]

zerofade, on 21 January 2013 - 12:51 PM, said:

what i don't understand is this idea of trickle down economics and the "job creators" and market driven forces shaping the economy .. we tried that for years .. and look where it got us .. everyone remembers 2008 right?  and then prosecute 2 wars without raising revenue?  i mean we tried that approach and we almost crashed and burned .. what makes people think it wil be any different unless we change our approach?

I'm not an economist or a historian, but had 9/11 not happened, we would have never needed 2 wars and spent trillions of dollars fighting them.  We'll never know what the economy would have done now because of the turmoil our country faced from 2001 onward.

[wobgon]

zerofade, on 21 January 2013 - 12:51 PM, said:

what i don't understand is this idea of trickle down economics and the "job creators" and market driven forces shaping the economy .. we tried that for years .. and look where it got us .. everyone remembers 2008 right?  and then prosecute 2 wars without raising revenue?  i mean we tried that approach and we almost crashed and burned .. what makes people think it wil be any different unless we change our approach?

Almost crashed and burned. What do you think we are doing now?

[seve1972]

Griffin23, on 20 January 2013 - 08:57 PM, said:

Yeeeeaaaahhhhh! Cry me a fricken river. I make less than 100,000 a year and am taxed at about 35%. Guy makes over 40 mil a year with endorsements. You can pay me a million or more a year and tax me twice my current rate and I'd do it every day all day! I'm tired of whiny a$$ millionaires! Seriously?!

.......(laughing)....dope!!

[hogans71]

PingAR, on 21 January 2013 - 12:45 PM, said:

Barto78, on 21 January 2013 - 12:17 PM, said:

Phil's comments are now on DrudgeReport and Foxnews.com.  It won't be much longer and it will be all over the evening cable news shows.

Fox and Drudge for news?!  Seriously?

Exactly.

The only reputable news source is the new York Times. Everyone knows that...

[wobgon]

PingAR, on 21 January 2013 - 12:45 PM, said:

Barto78, on 21 January 2013 - 12:17 PM, said:

Phil's comments are now on DrudgeReport and Foxnews.com.  It won't be much longer and it will be all over the evening cable news shows.

Fox and Drudge for news?!  Seriously?

I would be interested where you get your news?

[wobgon]

hogans71, on 21 January 2013 - 12:58 PM, said:

PingAR, on 21 January 2013 - 12:45 PM, said:

Barto78, on 21 January 2013 - 12:17 PM, said:

Phil's comments are now on DrudgeReport and Foxnews.com.  It won't be much longer and it will be all over the evening cable news shows.

Fox and Drudge for news?!  Seriously?

Exactly.

The only reputable news source is the new York Times. Everyone knows that...

Or MSNBC

[Frankensteins Monster]

MSNBC has a story on it and they're the leftest leaning.

[Golf Shaft Guy]

Frankensteins Monster, on 21 January 2013 - 12:40 PM, said:

Well Shafted, on 21 January 2013 - 12:37 PM, said:

I got your PM, thanks. And I responded, but for the record, you didn't tell me what you believe is an appropriate effective tax rate for Phil. So I ask again, what is an appropriate effective tax rate for someone with Phil's earnings?

Phil's taxes should be the same as everyone else. There shouldn't be any loopholes to get the marginal tax rate below what I am paying. Nor should he be paying more than me. I'm talking about federal taxes. His Sand Diego taxes are all on him because that was a conscious choice he made. He made his extravagant bed there and he should sleep in it or make changes. Not hold a press conference about it.

All income should be taxed at the same amount, that includes the money made from investments (dividends, interest, etc.). The only people that shouldn't have an income tax the same as me are low income people who cannot afford to pay it. I'm not talking about freeloaders, I'm talking about true low income wage earners.

As far as s specific rate, nobody's taxes should drop below the most common tax rate is. If it's 20%, Phil's taxes, after all his deductions should not drop below 20%. That's as specific as I can get. My rate is above that. There should be a middle ground percentage but I do not know what that is.

A little bit of progress (pardon the pun)! Not sure what you mean by "most common tax rate," but I couldn't be further from a tax professional so forgive me if I'm missing something.

And I know it's not practical to lay out a blueprint for what you feel should be the foundation for an extremely complex topic. But it's the concepts that we can make progress on here. And conceptually, I just don't think it's fair to insinuate that Phil does not pay enough or even is paying his fair share without A) knowing exactly what Phil did pay, and B) sharing what you feel is the "right" level.

You haven't responded to A, and reluctantly and passively shared the beginnings of B, so it's tough for me to consider your arguments in an objective way... All the while with you sprinkling in comments like "He made his extravagant bed and should sleep in it." I don't know how to interpret that...

[865golf]

There is no chance that Phil is paying a 62% tax rate.  First, like it or not, the tax code is written to protect the wealthy - just think back to the debate over Mitt Romney's tax rate and the disclosure that his effective tax rate was around 13% on income of about $15 million.  Secondly, most state taxes are deductible from your Federal tax burden, so your overall rate is lowered - and as noted on other posts, winnings in other states are taxed in that state and deducted from the California tax assessment.  Thirdly, social security taxes are 12.4% on the first $113,000 of income - thus exempting Phil's other $47 million from that tax.  Taking into account all of the deductions that are allowed under the current tax code and the availability of really good tax lawyers and accountants, I would be surprised if his overall effective tax liability is even near 30%.

Everything else being equal, the State of California has determined that it needs that tax revenue to provide services to its citizens (including the operation of municipal golf courses).  If Phil doesn't like it, he can easily move anywhere else in the world he wants to go.  Good for him.

[Ajit]

It amazes me how few people seem to understand how things have been trending in the US since Reaganomics took hold. The top 1% have got exponentially richer and it seems that the middle/working classes have payed for it.  America used to be the great meritocracy but now social mobility had plummeted through the floor, significantly worse than any other advanced economy with the exception of the UK. I'm not sure 62% tax rates are the solution but I'm pretty sure tax cuts for the rich aren't either.

[hogans71]

Fade, on 21 January 2013 - 12:54 PM, said:

I searched youtube, just to see what I could find...

... this was the only result so far:

Not once have I ever found anything this clown does even remotely interesting...

Talk about bitter... Don't go away angry clown. Just go away...

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wobgon

looks us up in 2 years .. those were you're words weren't they?

i can tell you where we were 2 years ago and where we are now .. as far as 2 years FROM NOW i cannot say

[puttingmatt]

hogans71, on 21 January 2013 - 12:58 PM, said:

PingAR, on 21 January 2013 - 12:45 PM, said:

Barto78, on 21 January 2013 - 12:17 PM, said:

Phil's comments are now on DrudgeReport and Foxnews.com.  It won't be much longer and it will be all over the evening cable news shows.

Fox and Drudge for news?!  Seriously?

Exactly.

The only reputable news source is the new York Times. Everyone knows that...

Sorry, but its Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert !!!

[Gxgolfer]

This went way off the tracks awhile ago.  Its run its course.