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[neilcsd]

Something that has bothered me about this forum for the short time I've been a member/lurker is that there seems to be a lot of golf terms bandied about that are not part of a typical beginner's lexicon. I think that a "dictionary" of terms would be quite useful...thoughts?

For example, the following terms I've read but in the past 10 minutes but really have little to no understanding of the actual meaning:
-Over the top
-"shortening" a swing

Super small list I know, but there's been a hundred others.

Is this something the mods could perhaps create/pin/maintain?

[kevcarter]

Google can be your friend. A quick search on "Golf teaching terms" brought up a load of links. Here is a good example:

http://www.wadewilso...teaching-terms/

[neilcsd]

kevcarter, on 20 January 2013 - 08:33 PM, said:

Google can be your friend. A quick search on "Golf teaching terms" brought up a load of links. Here is a good example:

http://www.wadewilso...teaching-terms/

Sure.  But a list here of terms is a good idea, no?

[SunkTheBirdie]

neilcsd, on 20 January 2013 - 11:54 PM, said:

Sure.  But a list here of terms is a good idea, no?

But the list would too easily lost (this is a limitation of a forum based community).

Mention your idea here:
http://www.golfwrx.c...-golfwrx-today/

Over the Top is a very common term, BTW.  

Here is a recent thread where people ask about terms.
http://www.golfwrx.c...ition-of-terms/

Ask your OTT question

Edited by SunkTheBirdie, 21 January 2013 - 12:23 AM.

[Thrillhouse]

That would be a really long list that would likely be hard to navigate. If you don't understand a term just ask, people here are good about helping new people.

[TeeAce]

neilcsd, on 20 January 2013 - 08:24 PM, said:

Something that has bothered me about this forum for the short time I've been a member/lurker is that there seems to be a lot of golf terms bandied about that are not part of a typical beginner's lexicon. I think that a "dictionary" of terms would be quite useful...thoughts?

For example, the following terms I've read but in the past 10 minutes but really have little to no understanding of the actual meaning:
-Over the top
-"shortening" a swing

Super small list I know, but there's been a hundred others.

Is this something the mods could perhaps create/pin/maintain?

Hmm... shortening a swing. I can write 2 pages about that.. and that 2 pages only about misconceptions of that term... ten more about what it really is and why that never should be used

[SunkTheBirdie]

kevcarter, on 20 January 2013 - 08:33 PM, said:

Google can be your friend. A quick search on "Golf teaching terms" brought up a load of links. Here is a good example:
http://www.wadewilso...teaching-terms/

Of course, the OP requested information about "over the top" and that information wasn't in the list you linked to.

[kevcarter]

SunkTheBirdie, on 21 January 2013 - 12:34 AM, said:

kevcarter, on 20 January 2013 - 08:33 PM, said:

Google can be your friend. A quick search on "Golf teaching terms" brought up a load of links. Here is a good example:
http://www.wadewilso...teaching-terms/

Of course, the OP requested information about "over the top" and that information wasn't in the list you linked to.

My apologies, doing the search finds many articles, I'm sure several contain "over the top.".

[kevcarter]

Another quick google search for over the top. Now watch while folks argue as to whether its defined correctly. :-)

[TeeAce]

kevcarter, on 21 January 2013 - 07:05 AM, said:

Another quick google search for over the top. Now watch while folks argue as to whether its defined correctly. :-)

Yep yep..

I can avoid OTT easily with totally passive lower body. Just using my shoulders like he does

[kevcarter]

TeeAce, on 21 January 2013 - 07:18 AM, said:

kevcarter, on 21 January 2013 - 07:05 AM, said:

Another quick google search for over the top. Now watch while folks argue as to whether its defined correctly. :-)

Yep yep..

I can avoid OTT easily with totally passive lower body. Just using my shoulders like he does

LOL

Thanks Tee. :-)

That's the problem with trying to define the golf swing and its terms. Every camp may have a different definition. Doing a quick search can find all the ideas and folks can choose for themselves. Perhaps it would be more helpful to have a sticky reminding folks how to use google...

[TeeAce]

I think the real problem is common way to find correlations between two or three things that really don't exist.

Now that video... people who use their shoulders and arms totally wrong way get the idea that ok, I start more with my lower body. What really happens is that they come even more OTT because of that if they don't learn correct shoulder movements. It's total paradox to say that if your left hip moves more to the left, your left shoulder moves more to the right. No way if their relation remains the same. Nooooo... wayyyy...

So why is that so common and why part of that is also true? It's because good players all have learned to use their lower body like that and also drop the club behind them and use their shoulders right way. Now our mind wants to build connections between things we see, so we see that kind of lower body action and good other moves with it. So there is correlation, but not causality between those things and it's totally wrong to say that kind of use of lower body stops you coming OTT. It can help that by instincts, but it's not reality and automatic correction.

[kevcarter]

Case closed. :-)

[neilcsd]

Perhaps those weren't the two best examples...but yeah.  Seems like it might not be the easiest thing to pull off.  Google it is.  

[kevcarter]

neilcsd, on 21 January 2013 - 12:06 PM, said:

Perhaps those weren't the two best examples...but yeah.  Seems like it might not be the easiest thing to pull off.  Google it is.  

I didn't mean to pooh pooh your idea, I just didn't do a very good job of explaining. There are a wealth of really good teachers here, like TeeAce, and they are all very happy to answer questions. Please don't ever be afraid to ask in the Golf Swing Instruction forum. Have fun!!!

[TeeAce]

neilcsd, on 21 January 2013 - 12:06 PM, said:

Perhaps those weren't the two best examples...but yeah.  Seems like it might not be the easiest thing to pull off.  Google it is.  

I tell you one thing. I started to coach one my student's when he was 11, now he is 26. We still understand terms differently and I'm not even ready to talk about individual / personal feelings.

What ever terms we use, at least half of us got different meaning for that and there is really good examples in our daily life here.

I'm not at all shooting down your idea, but I don't believe it's easy task to get it good enough

[Hstead]

I think I can help define "Over the top" for you - I will attempt to anyway as I understand it -

It is where someone over-pronates starting around P2 sucking the club too inside by P3 with their arms behind them at P4 across the line, or sometimes laid off, which leads to getting steep and casting causing a loss of your power accumulators and leverage so by impact your flying wedge is completely gone seen by a flip and a early extension or "humping-the-goat".  

Does that make sense now?

[SunkTheBirdie]

Hstead, on 21 January 2013 - 02:59 PM, said:

I think I can help define "Over the top" for you - "humping-the-goat".  

I think everyone can agree that fornicating a goat is over the top.

[Hstead]

SunkTheBirdie, on 21 January 2013 - 06:23 PM, said:

Hstead, on 21 January 2013 - 02:59 PM, said:

I think I can help define "Over the top" for you - "humping-the-goat".  

I think everyone can agree that fornicating a goat is over the top.

Touche - very nice - see I knew I could make it easier to understand for people