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[willpeoples]

Hey guys, I finally got a chance to snap some comparison pictures of the R1 v1 and R1 v2.  From what I have been told the R1 v2 is 420cc. The v2 is also significantly lighter than the v1.  The tour heads (without tip) weight around 195g versus 205g for a retail head, making them much more practical for builds.  I also found out there is three lofts on tour, 8.5, 9.5, and 10.5.  These are indicated by the serial number, TD1XXXX is 8.5, TD2XXXX is 9.5, and TD3XXX is 10.5.  The tour tips are also different than the retail version.  They are using a similar tip to last year.  They are stamped with lower, standard and higher.  Again this year they come in 1, 1.5 and 2.  In these pictures you can see the v2 is significantly smaller than the v1, they also have the same shallow face as the R11s v2.  I have been told on tour 95% plus are playing the v2, this is the same as last year.  Last year there was not a single v1 in play on tour from what I have been told.  As always enjoy!






R1v2 versus R11s v2.  

[My2Dogs]

Will,

Thanks for the pics.  I tried the retail R1 yesterday and compared to the other OEM's it was not as long or the feel was off.  I can see where a V2 would def make it more playable and with the weight lighter you could make it feel great with some not melt in the right spot.

Do you know if they will be making a V2 in the Stage 2 Driver or FW wood?

Edited by My2Dogs, 19 January 2013 - 10:07 PM.

[mapeacock]

thanks will....

[geauxWRX]

Further proof by Will's stats Taylormade retail woods are JUNK! Too bad it costs $1300 for a decent TM head.  Thanks for the pics Will.

[Marlockey]

Will,
Appreciate the Time that you have taken to bring us guy's the Comparison pic's and spec's, as always a class act, pity no one from Taylor Made will come on and explain to us why, as you say 95% on Tour play this Head as opposed to the Ver 1 ( ok we know why, but still would be good of TM to Explain it). It puzzles me because if we go back a couple of years when we had the R7 425 and the R7 460, along with other model's they made, where if you had the TP model it was normally aimed at the better player or someone who needed the smaller head for an ideal fitting,
the only difference we see now in the TP model of R1 is shaft, RBZ stage 2 is smaller head on Tour model ( fairway's not sure on driver), last years RBZ had multiple different heads for retail and Tour, and R11s had 3 different version's for Tour.
Now i know it would hurt People like Will if they brought these to Retail, but come on Taylor Made we need the True TP model's back, not just the shaft.

[TheMoneyShot]

Marlockey, on 20 January 2013 - 10:37 AM, said:

Will,
Appreciate the Time that you have taken to bring us guy's the Comparison pic's and spec's, as always a class act, pity no one from Taylor Made will come on and explain to us why, as you say 95% on Tour play this Head as opposed to the Ver 1 ( ok we know why, but still would be good of TM to Explain it). It puzzles me because if we go back a couple of years when we had the R7 425 and the R7 460, along with other model's they made, where if you had the TP model it was normally aimed at the better player or someone who needed the smaller head for an ideal fitting,
the only difference we see now in the TP model of R1 is shaft, RBZ stage 2 is smaller head on Tour model ( fairway's not sure on driver), last years RBZ had multiple different heads for retail and Tour, and R11s had 3 different version's for Tour.
Now i know it would hurt People like Will if they brought these to Retail, but come on Taylor Made we need the True TP model's back, not just the shaft.

Marlockey, on 20 January 2013 - 10:37 AM, said:

Will,
Appreciate the Time that you have taken to bring us guy's the Comparison pic's and spec's, as always a class act, pity no one from Taylor Made will come on and explain to us why, as you say 95% on Tour play this Head as opposed to the Ver 1 ( ok we know why, but still would be good of TM to Explain it). It puzzles me because if we go back a couple of years when we had the R7 425 and the R7 460, along with other model's they made, where if you had the TP model it was normally aimed at the better player or someone who needed the smaller head for an ideal fitting,
the only difference we see now in the TP model of R1 is shaft, RBZ stage 2 is smaller head on Tour model ( fairway's not sure on driver), last years RBZ had multiple different heads for retail and Tour, and R11s had 3 different version's for Tour.
Now i know it would hurt People like Will if they brought these to Retail, but come on Taylor Made we need the True TP model's back, not just the shaft.

I agree that TM needs to bring back the true TP model heads and that logo.  I like TM but they have seemed to be getting lazy in this area.  Just because it has a shaft upgrade does not make the club a true "TP" IMHO.  Hopefully they will listen to us, adjust and start releasing them again!

[whatshannenin]

dplambert1, on 20 January 2013 - 10:08 AM, said:

Further proof by Will's stats Taylormade retail woods are JUNK! Too bad it costs $1300 for a decent TM head.  Thanks for the pics Will.

Strong assumption and statistical comparison.  Nice pic comparison but can't believe everything you read these days.

[Kadin 25]

Good stuff Will thanks!!

[Big Ben]

Taylormades driver run is slowing in my opinion, just not seeing or hearing any positive chatter regarding the HIGHLY watered down one size fits all (not!) retail offering this season. Just seems like TM is better at telling us how incredible there drivers are then delivering very average clubs which they promty slander 8mths later. Clearly one size fits all is not being incorporated on Tour so I'm guessing the technology has bugs. If you have the bucks Will can build you a very nice V2 which clearly is the superior offering...BB

Edited by Big Ben, 20 January 2013 - 11:33 AM.

[scratchswinger]

Will- thank you for posting this and proving that the current "One Loft" technology does not work as advertised.

TMAG needs to bring back the shield and release a true TP line. Current TP line and their deception is a joke.

If I were to buy another TMAG driver, there is no doubt that I would spend a little extra and purchase from Will. The small amount of extra cost vs value gained is immeasurable.

[whatsthecourserecord]

Thanks for posting the pics and the stats Will.  Looks like TM has turned back the clock and started to produce very different products for the tour again.  Reminds me of the differences in the 300 and 500 series of Tour Issue and retail clubs.

[Goldenhawk]

Nice to see that those with the Tour heads can still use their shafts from last year without changing the adapter tips.  There's simply no reason for TM to make this year's retail adapter different than the R9 and R11 models other than to sell more TP shafts or buy new adapters.

[willpeoples]

Goldenhawk, on 20 January 2013 - 01:35 PM, said:

Nice to see that those with the Tour heads can still use their shafts from last year without changing the adapter tips.  There's simply no reason for TM to make this year's retail adapter different than the R9 and R11 models other than to sell more TP shafts or buy new adapters.

The old adapters don't work.  Even with the tour head, they look similar however they are not the same.  However as much as it sucks this is the first time they have made a head that does not accept the old adapters...

Edited by willpeoples, 20 January 2013 - 01:39 PM.

[Lobber]

I hav an R11s Tour issue with Oban Devotion that I am killing.  Doubt I would get much more by going to R1 TP.  Any thoughts?

[HEINEKING]

Wow! The retail R1 looks like a shovel VS the tour R1... totally not cool.

[youngwaldo]

Thanks Will for the pictures.

Wk

[ignitewvu]

dplambert1, on 20 January 2013 - 10:08 AM, said:

Further proof by Will's stats Taylormade retail woods are JUNK! Too bad it costs $1300 for a decent TM head.  Thanks for the pics Will.

You just gotta know where to look, I've scored a 9 Dot head in the BST for $320 Last year and scored a 9 V2 off a friend for $300 in september.


Also, if you follow TM on Facebook every time they put a picture up of one of their tour guys hitting a driver its clearly a V2.  Every time there are people calling them out on it, at first they were deleting those replies, they are not doing this now.

Edited by ignitewvu, 20 January 2013 - 08:45 PM.

[ignitewvu]

willpeoples, on 19 January 2013 - 10:00 PM, said:

Hey guys, I finally got a chance to snap some comparison pictures of the R1 v1 and R1 v2.  From what I have been told the R1 v2 is 420cc. The v2 is also significantly lighter than the v1.  The tour heads (without tip) weight around 195g versus 205g for a retail head, making them much more practical for builds.  I also found out there is three lofts on tour, 8.5, 9.5, and 10.5.  These are indicated by the serial number, TD1XXXX is 8.5, TD2XXXX is 9.5, and TD3XXX is 10.5.  The tour tips are also different than the retail version.  They are using a similar tip to last year.  They are stamped with lower, standard and higher.  Again this year they come in 1, 1.5 and 2.  In these pictures you can see the v2 is significantly smaller than the v1, they also have the same shallow face as the R11s v2.  I have been told on tour 95% plus are playing the v2, this is the same as last year.  Last year there was not a single v1 in play on tour from what I have been told.  As always enjoy!

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R1v2 versus R11s v2.  

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Will is it more Deep Faced than the Dot or V2????  To my eyes it looks much deepr and smaller front to back and side to side.

[willpeoples]

No, side by side it seems to be shallower than the dot, very similar in size to the R11s v2.

[swanry30]

The r1 v2 looks so good...  I would love one this year.

[m5power]

This V2 bs is why I would never play another TM driver.

[BirdieBob]

m5power, on 21 January 2013 - 01:42 AM, said:

This V2 bs is why I would never play another TM driver.

Right, If it is so great and everyone is wanting it, why would TM not make it available retail?
Seems like their marketing does NOT think it would be great for retail.
Others like Titleist 913 D2 and D3, Nike Covert Performance and Tour, both two sizes like the V1/V2, do think they work for retail.

[TMBob]

Will,

You mentioned that there are different sleeves or tour versions and that they come in 1, 1.5, and 2

How about lie angles on these....same as the retail version or do any offer a slightly flatter lie? Also, are they all metal versions and no plastic cap like the retail version?

Thanks

[whatshannenin]

m5power, on 21 January 2013 - 01:42 AM, said:

This V2 bs is why I would never play another TM driver.

Taylormade won't be affected by your choice.  

[SwooshLT]

BirdieBob, on 21 January 2013 - 09:51 AM, said:

m5power, on 21 January 2013 - 01:42 AM, said:

This V2 bs is why I would never play another TM driver.

Right, If it is so great and everyone is wanting it, why would TM not make it available retail?
Seems like their marketing does NOT think it would be great for retail.
Others like Titleist 913 D2 and D3, Nike Covert Performance and Tour, both two sizes like the V1/V2, do think they work for retail.

Great point BB......

[ignitewvu]

willpeoples, on 21 January 2013 - 12:07 AM, said:

No, side by side it seems to be shallower than the dot, very similar in size to the R11s v2.

Well if that is the case, I'll keep my R11S V2 and the 7 tour shafts I have for it

I think my $$$ will go to a custom set of Rocketbladez Tour Irons.

[SwooshLT]

ignitewvu, on 21 January 2013 - 10:50 AM, said:

willpeoples, on 21 January 2013 - 12:07 AM, said:

No, side by side it seems to be shallower than the dot, very similar in size to the R11s v2.

Well if that is the case, I'll keep my R11S V2 and the 7 tour shafts I have for it

I think my $$$ will go to a custom set of Rocketbladez Tour Irons.

Nothing wrong with this decision.....

[willpeoples]

TMBob, on 21 January 2013 - 10:25 AM, said:

Will,

You mentioned that there are different sleeves or tour versions and that they come in 1, 1.5, and 2

How about lie angles on these....same as the retail version or do any offer a slightly flatter lie? Also, are they all metal versions and no plastic cap like the retail version?

Thanks

Lie varies from 58 to 61, mostly around 59.  Not sure what retail is or is supposed to be.  

Yes the tips are metal with the plastic ferrule.

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[TMBob]

willpeoples, on 21 January 2013 - 01:13 PM, said:

TMBob, on 21 January 2013 - 10:25 AM, said:

Will,

You mentioned that there are different sleeves or tour versions and that they come in 1, 1.5, and 2

How about lie angles on these....same as the retail version or do any offer a slightly flatter lie? Also, are they all metal versions and no plastic cap like the retail version?

Thanks

Lie varies from 58 to 61, mostly around 59.  Not sure what retail is or is supposed to be.  

Yes the tips are metal with the plastic ferrule.

So do these fit I to retail heads? If so, you selling these? PM me I needed

Thanks

[wobgon]

whatshannenin, on 21 January 2013 - 10:30 AM, said:

m5power, on 21 January 2013 - 01:42 AM, said:

This V2 bs is why I would never play another TM driver.

Taylormade won't be affected by your choice.  

Yes they will. They will have one less customer.